MD80fanatic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2623 posts, RR: 11 Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 14511 times:
With 10,000 photographers here on A.net.....I will be assuming there are 50,000 members.
2,800,000 USD / 50,000 members = $56 USD per person.
This can happen!!!! We can start an A.net charter airline!!!
Noelg From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 14441 times:
Ahhh here we go again the montly "Let's chip in a tenner and buy this aircraft" thread!
Not forgetting peeps that you won't get 10,000 A.net members to chip in when most of them don't even read the forums, and then of course the maintenance and upkeep of a Tristar - I suppose this one must fuel/maintain itself?
Art From Lebanon, joined Feb 2005, 2937 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 14415 times:
This sounds like a cool idea to me. We could have a sort of eBay auction as well where the highest bidder got to fly it. Of course, limited to people with more than 500 hours on MS Flight Simulator. Wouldn't want to compromise safety, would we?
764 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 608 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 14328 times:
Actually it could work out and I'd love to partake in such an endeavor - even with a little more than $56. Plus, I'll be perfectly happy to just occasionally have a moment in the flightdeck...
But of course this won't happen. Although if it did - do you think we could actually fly it? Wouldn't certain countries (no namecalling please ) immediately assume that we are a terrorist organization?
EI747SYDNEY From Ireland, joined Oct 2005, 687 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 14285 times:
I dont know about you guy's but I could envisage later on in my life seeing such a venture off this website..call me mad, but you heard it here first. The world is a weird and wonderful place.
Rob
''Live life on the edge, Live each and every day like it's your last, Hell you only live once''
MD80fanatic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2623 posts, RR: 11 Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 14193 times:
It would be cool to have a A.net world tour....fly here stop there (mainly for photos).....also as many have not realised....the fuselage of that great bird is PRIME advertising space.
There are people here from literally all walks of aviation life, from upper management to janitorial. We have everything we need....except for the will to actually do it.
A week ago we were patting a 19 year old on the back for doing the same basic thing.....so whaddya say?
Luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 11957 posts, RR: 51 Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 14171 times:
What happens once you purchase it? You have to pay storage fees and all that other good stuff, insurance, fuel and much much more...... Kinda like what the word boat stands for, "bring out another thousand!"
Tango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3725 posts, RR: 31 Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 14131 times:
Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 1): With 10,000 photographers here on A.net.....I will be assuming there are 50,000 members.
2,800,000 USD / 50,000 members = $56 USD per person.
And as Luv2fly has correctly alluded to, this amount does not even represent the tip of the proverbial iceberg of what the actual costs would be -- for a L-1011 to be put on static display. To fly it, add many more "icebergs" to the cost.
Am hoping the original thread was tongue-in-cheek rather than serious thought.
MD80fanatic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2623 posts, RR: 11 Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 14108 times:
Who couldn't afford even 4x that amount....if there was a true groundswell to make it a reality. No doubt it takes determination and vision (and money), but hey....it half of you forum addicts spent half the time you spend typing on here...we'd already be past step one.
What makes dozens of old navy men come together, buy an old cruiser and rebuild her...when the costs are enormous? LOVE!!!! that's the reason.
Isn't there enough LOVE here to make it work?
NOTE: New paint .... and a very decent livery at that (Thai, Martinair style) Blue and White (Please examine your browser frame...making note of A.net's primary colors ). Huh? I smell opportunity here.
Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 19717 posts, RR: 56 Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 14043 times:
I call shotgun.
If you've got a multi-engine rating, all you need is a few endorsements (high-performance, complex and high-altitude IIRC) and the type rating.
-Mir
7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
MD80fanatic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2623 posts, RR: 11 Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 14022 times:
Jeesh guys and gals ...... I mean, Jeesh. Speechless.
Planeboy From India, joined May 2005, 199 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 14006 times:
Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 15): Isn't there enough LOVE here to make it work?
Well, I too like to make LOVE
Seriously, it would be a great idea to have an A.netter plane. Aren't there any good hearted rich men who could donate a 727 or a 707 which they own just to raise the eyebrows of jealous onlookers? ( Sultan of Brunei kind) They could "donate" to us sans crew, interiors and stickers. We can handle the rest.
Let's fight over livery and logo before buying one. That is needed for proposal.
Captain.md-11 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 703 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 13976 times:
I've flown 20hrs in a L1011 full motion sim
She's great to hand fly, but its best to turn off DLC on an ILS as it can get a bit confusing.
Twins,twins, everywhere.... but where are the three holers?
Wrighbrothers From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1875 posts, RR: 10 Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 13885 times:
What about an F/E ?
Anyone here an F/E
Wrighbrothers
Always stand up for what is right, even if it means standing alone..
Captain.MD-11 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 703 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 13850 times:
I have a feeling their must be a few people more qualified than me
though
I'd just have to add L1011 to my name, I love both types equally.
Flying the L1011-500 sim made me respect the Tristar in so many ways.She is far more powerful than I had anticipated, she rockets off after initial climb (at 210,000kg TOW.) The systems (autoland etc) are fantastic, DLC is ingenious.As my first jet experience,I loved every second. Lockheed made an absolute gem.
It's a shame i'll never actually fly on one, although $56 bucks you say?
[Edited 2005-11-10 18:12:08]
Twins,twins, everywhere.... but where are the three holers?
ContinentalFan From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 355 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 13762 times:
Not much use if you can't fly it in the US or the EU:
"(SORRY NOT AVAILABLE USA OR JAA OPERATIONS)"
25 474218: The Tristar DLC system allows for smooth approaches and landings as the glide slope height maintained using the spoilers in lieu of the elevators. Ad
26 C5onknees: 474218, exactly, the DLC allows some of the smoothest approaches ever. The sim is different than a real airplane. My dad has an L-1011 F/E rating with
27 G-CIVP: You are forgetting that's an old frame, probably riddled with corrison. Nasty maintenance costs! Ouch!
28 Luv2fly: If that is all it took then Western Pacific would still be flying...... If someone was going to advertise on a plane they would pick one flying for a
29 MD80fanatic: Western Pacific has labor costs. We'd be an all volunteer outfit. Doing it for the LOVE of it. 50,000 owner/operators....stationed all over the world.
30 AA61Hvy: We need to invest in a SP...Now we're talking
31 RichM: Maybe the reality wouldn't be so far away if they considered having a project to raise money for a smaller aircraft. Maybe a Fokker 50, BAE ATP, Dehav
32 BryanG: The US$550,000 Hawker Siddeley 125 on the same website seems to be a pretty good deal, considering it's had all its recent maintenance work done. The
33 S12PPL: Ugh...could you imagine US staring up an airline??!! You'd have half of us screaming to be an LCC, and half of us a full service airline. You'd have p
34 Aircanada333: The profits for each person would be about . But we don't care about the profits let's buy the aircraft right now .
35 Luv2fly: There is no hatred, just being realistic and down to earth.
38 Ukkiwibird: Ugh...could you imagine US staring up an airline??!! A L-1011 might be a better group investment , rather than a airbus or boeing. This might just sta
40 474218: L-1011 s/n 1066 was delivered to TWA April 18 1974 and remained in service with them until its retirement on April 14 1997.
41 474218: The picture is a L-1011-500 the one for sale/lease is a L-1011-1.
42 JCS: I will sell the outside of the plane in Holland. A few commercials would bring us already some pingelingeling... And we must make an adventure airplan
45 Ibhayi: SAA are selling SP's and 742-743 from about R9mill-R13mill, $1.34-$1,94 mill US. They havnt been desserter so they wont need major overhauls and I kno
46 S12PPL: I might consider investing a little bit of cash, IF the cost was low enough. And, IF I got use of it more than once a year. Anyway. Like I said, all o
47 MEA-707: Come on, the preservation / pleasureflight market is SO small, you really can't get 50.000 people to pay $60, which is much money for an aircraft many
48 Jepstein: :D Great idea, I'll definetly pitch in!! We could customize with a cool interior and lots of photo ports. It would be a plane spotter's paradise in th
49 Malaysia: I took Math, so I guess I could handle being the F/E but we cant use it in JAA and FAA areas, so its gonna be a bit tricky. Lets slap IFE and new 777
50 Captain.MD-11: DLC is great, but not always when your not used to it and hand flying her.When you try and alter the pitch on the AI to maintain G/S nothing happens s
51 Wrighbrothers: Oh thanks. Would 10,000 + hours as a 742 F/E and 10 years as a 747, VC-10 and 707 hanger engineer count for a F/E or engineer ? You send it to my off
52 Bennett123: In my view, the period up to 1997 is not the problem. Firstly it was stored from 1997 to 2003, then it was sold to North East Airlines of Bolivia. Fur
53 RAMPRAT980: Could the engines on an L 1011 be retrofitted with more modern fuel efficient ones ?
54 Da man: Then upgrade it from a -50 to a -200 or -250 with the RB211-524 engines updated for spelling error da man[Edited 2005-11-11 01:02:47]
55 ANITIX87: Why don't we just get John Travolta to join the site, buy the plane, and be our pilot? That way we don't have to spend much and we'd all get to meet J
56 Jumpseatflyer: AIRLINERS.NET AIRLINES!!! It all starts here folks. "Just like Airliners.net, but without the forum." "Airliners.net... More addictive than CRACK!!!"
57 MD80fanatic: It really is all up to marketting, isn't it? I think once word spreads that a large group of enthusiasts are buying a L-1011 and with their own blood
58 Justplanecrazy: while studying for my JAA PPL i read there is a legal limit to the number of people who part share an aircraft.I believe the limit is 20 people so i t
59 PPVRA: Then we will see the monthly "Let's chip in to pay for fuel, airport fees, maintenance, insurance" threads! Each time more and more desperate. Then, i
60 WesternA318: Well hell, if we can paint it in the original TWA colors from 1976-1995, I'll toss in my just recently cashed out 401(k) and sell all my airline stock
61 474218: I take it then that the L-1011's painted in TWA's "Double Globe" livery from 1971 to 1976 were "pre-original?"
62 Uniuniunium: Hey, I'd be in for $56 if it meant I had a share in one of those gorgeous machines!
63 TEBguy: You've got my $60... Now get the 49,999 other members to do the same and I'll bring you the cash in person.
64 MD80fanatic: People would fly in the order of descending contributions. Perhaps 30 seats could be reserved for any A.net members who actually need to get somewhere
65 SCEagle: And don't forget the big question: A vs. B? Which do we buy?
66 Ukkiwibird: I suggest the plane be painted with 2 different schemes, like the very first A300, One side Swiss air the other Lufthansa. But why TWA colours? What a
67 Litz: You'd have to get to it before the Wing Nuts guys, otherwise it'd be pretty difficult to control ... - litz
68 Simpilicity: This aircraft can fly many places you'd want to go ... Africa, third world below is from the for sale page "(SORRY NOT AVAILABLE USA OR JAA OPERATION
69 Pawsleykat: Does it help to say that I flew in A Cessna C152 for 1 hour and 20 minutes! :0-)
70 Simpilicity: You don't want to but one, charter one !!! What about FRACTIONAL CHARTER ??? There's fractional ownership of losts of things these days, accommodation
71 Bennett123: Whilst only 20 people can part own an aircraft, if you form a company you can have as many shareholders as you want. Price $60 per share.
72 Bennett123: So the answer is to form a company, and the company buys the plane.
74 MD80fanatic: Airliners.net is already a company, isn't it?
75 Noelg: I doubt it - think of the tax implications for Johan...
76 MD80fanatic: Would it be feasable for the membership to select 20 trustees from the group, which would legally "own" the aircraft, and each in turn would manage ar
77 Simpilicity: Forget it. It would cost more to be able to fly to U.S. than it's worth. This aircraft will either be scrapped or end up doing hajj work or in Africa
78 Simpilicity: further on chartering a wide body eg. a L1011. An number of itineraries could be suggested with fixed dates. The most popular could then be advertised
81 MD80fanatic: I'm not sure about the 1st class member statement...maybe it has to do with charter regulations? I still have a problem with chartering though.....we
82 474218: They are referring to the two spare engines and the spare APU, not the aircraft. L-1011-500 maximum passengers is 315.
83 Aa757first: Name ten members of Airliners.net in management. Name some people in janitorial. Hell, name a hundred that can form sentences. Quality marketing ther
84 EMBQA: I hate to bust all your dreams...but there is a BIG problem. If you read the fine print, the aircraft is prohibited from operating under a FAA or JAA
85 Simpilicity: Not correct, depends on what aircraft is certificed for. Know of quite a few that seat 337 & the ex Air Transat aircraft are configured in 2 classes
86 Brilondon: We wouldn't need to do anything like that because we could sell the ad space on the bird and cut corners. I'm sure that we could find somebody on A-n
87 MD80fanatic: As a poster said above....the restrictions appear to be on the spare engines and APU, not the aircraft. I bet we have at least three here who have flo
88 Bennett123: Assuming that EMBQA is correct. Where can the plane be operated. Any info about why FAA and JAA operators are out, and does an FAA operator being out
89 474218: Not correct, why? Lockheed L-1011-385-3 Model Specification (LR 27508) clearly states "Maximum number of passengers 315".
90 EMBQA: Assuming..? Read the terms of the sale..!!! If you've read above, several other A.net members noticed the same requirment.
91 Hmmmm...: If the plane is stored in my city, I'm willing to ante up a cool $1000. BTW, is it legal to fly a privately-operated airliner with only one pilot if i
92 EMBQA: No. What the aircraft is certified to operate with is what it must have. In this case 3.
93 MD80fanatic: Perhaps not for you I love airplanes and the science of flight, but I am not the big traveller (last flight for me was in the 20th century). I have n
94 Scarebus03: Probably prohibited from JAA/FAA countries because it hasn't even had a sniff of a service bulletin, airworthiness directive or a c.p.c.p inspection s
95 Simpilicity: NOT REFERRING TO THAT PARTICULAR AIRCRAFT, WHICH IS KIND OF USELESS UNLESS DOING HAJJ FLIGHTS OR IN AFRICA, BUT TALKING ABOUT L1011-500'S IN GENERAL.
96 474218: With a 31" pitch and 10 abreast seating you can only stuff 315 seats in an L-1011-500, any L-1011-500.
97 Simpilicity: at average 30 inch pitch can do 337 seats.
98 474218: I GIVE UP, YOU WIN, but don't let any regulatory agency catch you with any more than 315 souls onboard an L-1011-500, because that is all they are ce
99 Simpilicity: Where do u get this inaccurate info from? R u referring to US domestic ops? Certainly not correct for international ops. We have an associate who's c
100 474218: I told you where I got the information but you don't want to believe it. I got the 315 maximum passenger figure from LR27508, Model Specification L-1
101 Aa757first: Hmm, so far the plan is to gather just enough money to purchase the L-1011, exceed the legal number of seats on the aircraft and fly it only on the mo
102 BMIFlyer: I believe Kaz (Pilot Kaz) and Sam (A340600) have Trijet cockpit experience
103 MD80fanatic: Like most everyone else on here.....I have not advertised my total capabilities. Let's just say I am a quick study and leave it at that. Oh, and I can
104 DeltaWings: Maximum certified for the L-1011-1 through 250 ( including the -50 for sale) is 400 at 10 abreast. Maximum certified for the L-1011-500 is 330, also a
105 Bennett123: EMBQA I did not say that you were wrong, it is just that the ad is not a model of clarity. We are assuming that they mean that the plane can not be us
106 474218: I have about 45 minutes left seat time in a L-1011-500. On a ferry flight YYZ to PMD and the pilot asked if I would like to fly, I said YES. I climbe
107 474218: Simpilicity and Delta Wing: Please go to http://www.eucomairlines.de/ click on Manuals, click on FAA Type Data Sheet and page down note 5 on pages 20/
108 Simpilicity: Where do u get 6 hours from? See below:- USD$8000 x 33.5 hours = USD$268000 100 @ USD$999 + 100 @ USD$1099 = USD$209800 This means not covering any o
109 Greenjet: I'll handle the cash. Just send your $56 cheque to Happy Dude, Dublin, Ireland. Thanks
110 474218: I don't understand why being certified with a minimum crew of 3 should stop anyone from operating an L-1011 with only 1 pilot. After all there are a
111 NorthstarBoy: id be more than happy to pitch in my 56 bucks once we own it, we can contact CBS and Fox and negotiate a deal for a new reality show "The L1011!" it c
112 Hantsflyer27: Lovely dream people, personally i like the looks of that B763 they have kicking around there. Wonder how much that would set a potential purchaser bac
113 Simpilicity: Obviously, those stating maximum seating on ALL L1011-500's is 315 or whatever is WRONG, as there are quite a number flying around with 337 or more.
114 474218: I take it you did not read the certification data, domestic/international makes no difference they are certified for 315 passengers maximum. What has
115 Simpilicity: So how do u explain that many L1011-500's are flying around with many more than 315 seats? What r u smoking? The USA is becoming another 3rd world co
116 Swmdal: This particular L-1011 may not be the ideal aircraft for this endeavor, but there's nothing far-fetched about groups of interested people getting toge
117 WesternA318: In that case, let's get one of the TWA L-1011's from Kingman and restore it there, since its already in the US. I'll grab all the info I can and post
122 Simpilicity: Why's that? We've found another L1011-500 for around this price FULL CHARTER.
123 C5onknees: To operate it as a charter a/c, you must have a 121 certificate. Plus, it's cost prohibited to operate it in America, with the costs of certificates,
124 474218: Could you please provide the operator, aircraft registration and manufactures serial number of the L-1011-500 that has 337 seat. There are currently
125 Simpilicity: yes, yes, yes, certificates in place, but can anyone supply another L1011-500 to operate into USA/Canada NOT domestically for around the USD$7250 FULL
126 IRelayer: Actually seriously, I wouldn't be in for this proposal exactly. However: IF we got together a group of investors from here on these boards and elsewhe
127 WesternA318: IRelayer, Thats the best idea Ive heard so far, lemme see what I can drum up on my own too, may I contact ya?
128 C5onknees: IR and Western, it is extremely difficult to get a certificate in the US. It could take you up to 24 months or more working every day with a dedicated
129 FlightLover: I'd like to chip in but the problem is how do you collect monthly contributions from 10,000 people!!! or even 1,000!!! to cover parking and regular ma
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We can start an A.net charter airline!!!
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