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What Could Happened Here With This IB 346? (pic)  
User currently offlineBongo From Colombia, joined Oct 2003, 1863 posts, RR: 5
Posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 9540 times:

Why did the pilot landed like this? Could the aircraft suffered minor damages?


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User currently offlineFlyingbronco05 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3840 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 9469 times:

Quoting Bongo (Thread starter):
Why did the pilot landed like this?

Came in high?

Came in fast?

Came in slow?

Came in low?

He was heavy?

He was light?

Wind?

There can be a million reasons. It happens.

FB05



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 9453 times:

Quoting Bongo (Thread starter):
Could the aircraft suffered minor damages

If it was a Heavy Weight Landinmg.Appropriate Inspections will be carried out by Mx.
As for the Photographers comment on 50cms....I think it would be lots more than 50cms  Smile

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MEL



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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 4680 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 9360 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 2):
As for the Photographers comment on 50cms....I think it would be lots more than 50cms

Right, comparing the distance to the ground to the pax door size, I´d say one meter.



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User currently offlineBoogyJay From France, joined May 2005, 490 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 9359 times:

What about this one?

I think the IB 346 pilots pull to much on the side stick when they hear "Retard! Retard!"  Big grin


User currently offlineBongo From Colombia, joined Oct 2003, 1863 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 9307 times:

BoogyJay:

Woah....nice picture...it must be very scary as a passenger !  Wow!



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User currently offlineAKelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2190 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 9271 times:

Quoting Bongo (Reply 5):
Woah....nice picture...it must be very scary as a passenger !

Why? It's not like they're looking outside! I doubt the passengers even noticed!


User currently offlineACYWG From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 265 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 9246 times:

Quoting BoogyJay (Reply 4):
I think the IB 346 pilots pull to much on the side stick when they hear "Retard! Retard!"

Well, I don't think you would be flaring as late as the "retard, retard" call. I've always seen the Retard call as being the instruction to pull the throttles back to flight idle.


User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 9235 times:

Its been 3 years since I flew to MEX (as a pilot). But I think its called the Mateo 1 arrival. That STAR is a very difficult to negotiate. One moment you are trying to slow down and descend, and all of sudden you are at the outter marker. First timers are usually high and fast on that approach. Another very important factor, is that many pilots forget about MEX's altitude, and they cut the thrust/power above the threshold, so they fall out of the sky. I said this because it happened to me.......

regards


User currently offlineBongo From Colombia, joined Oct 2003, 1863 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 9221 times:

Quoting AKelley728 (Reply 6):
I doubt the passengers even noticed!

Maybe you don´t....I´d noticed...and for me must be scary.



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User currently offlineN323ER From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 9172 times:

Quoting Juventus (Reply 8):

I agree

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User currently offlineBoogyJay From France, joined May 2005, 490 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 9138 times:

Quoting ACYWG (Reply 7):
I've always seen the Retard call as being the instruction to pull the throttles back to flight idle.

You might be right. I don't know exactly what have the pilots to do when the "retard" call sounds. I just saw some simulator trainings where the pilots were pitching the nose up just after the "retard" call. It may have been pure coincidences though.  Smile

Quoting Bongo (Reply 9):
Maybe you don't....I'd noticed...and for me must be scary.

I think I'd have noticed too, especially at the back, where pax were almost sitting on the ground. Big grin

Juventus,

Thanks for the explanation.


User currently offlineAV757 From Colombia, joined Apr 2004, 660 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8939 times:
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It is just another hard landing for the passengers, at a high temperature, high altitude airport 7341 FT at MMMX, with high landing weight and high approach speeds and ground speed over the threshold; it is mandatory to land at the 1000 to 2000 Ft markers on the runway for a comfortable stopping distance and not to overheat the brakes under these conditions.

AV757


User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 31
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8829 times:

whats the "retard" call?


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User currently offlineMd95 From Italy, joined Apr 2005, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 8627 times:

Quoting BoogyJay (Reply 4):
What about this one?

It doesn't look like the tail is actually scratching the runway. I think the smoke is generated by the tires.



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User currently offlineSevenforeseven From France, joined Nov 2005, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7975 times:

Known problem on the A340-600 is tail scape, pilots are trained to avoid such a incident, although I do know of some having scaped a tail. Lets not forget that the -600 is the longest aircraft in the world. Also the -600 is fitted with a tail scrape indicator which alerts the crew a scrape has occurred either on rotation or landing.

User currently offlineQantasHeavy From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 379 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7220 times:

Never condsidered the irony that the "retard" Airbus call-out might sound like the airplane is implying the pilot is mentally challenged.

The "retard" here is referring to the Airbus audio call-out (french male voice) that is electronically made when the Airbus is touching down (a few feet from the main gear contacting the runway).

Callouts from radio altimeter sensor: 40... 30... 20... 10... 5... RETARD"

Pronunciation: ri-'tärd
Function: verb
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French or Latin; Middle French retarder, from Latin retardare, from re- + tardus slow
transitive senses
1 : to slow up especially by preventing or hindering advance or accomplishment : IMPEDE


User currently offlineAVIOGENEX From Mexico, joined Mar 2002, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6926 times:

Quoting BoogyJay (Reply 4):
What about this one?

The picture is AMAZING and as photographers and some crazy enthusiast like me this kind of crazy stuff is spectacular, however I think that IB EC-JBA was extremely close to making contact with the runway which is not good, specially if it happens rather often.

AVIOGENEX


User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 36
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6909 times:

Quoting Bongo (Reply 9):
Maybe you don´t....I´d noticed...and for me must be scary.

How would you notice, other then the bouncing?



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User currently offlineEGTESkyGod From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1712 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6064 times:
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Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 13):
whats the "retard" call?

Retard is shorthand for Retardation, which is the proper word, if you like, for grip or friction. I've always understood the Retard call meant the wheels have made contact with the ground.



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User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5816 times:

Quoting Md95 (Reply 14):
I think the smoke is generated by the tires

Get away! Big grin



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User currently offlineSpeedbird128 From Pitcairn Islands, joined Oct 2003, 1648 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5706 times:

Quoting EGTESkyGod (Reply 19):
Retard call meant the wheels have made contact with the ground

It's not the touchdown, but rather an automated call for the flight crew to retard the thrust levers to flight idle...



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User currently offlineEGTESkyGod From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1712 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5600 times:
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Quoting Speedbird128 (Reply 21):
It's not the touchdown, but rather an automated call for the flight crew to retard the thrust levers to flight idle...

I stand corrected. Looks like I was being a retard.



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User currently offlineBongo From Colombia, joined Oct 2003, 1863 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3578 times:

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 18):
How would you notice, other then the bouncing?

Well, I guess because the angle, maybe a hard touch and noise, or maybe the time it takes to be perfectly horizontally leveled, something for sure !



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User currently offlineBirdbrainz From United States of America, joined May 2005, 453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3509 times:

I'm not sure I see anything unusual here at first glance. It doesn't look like a tail strike at all. Where's the problem?

OK, all things being equal, the tail is a little close, but it still looks fine.

I agree that I'm sure the passengers didn't even notice, unless he hit hard or something.



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