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Airbus Launches A318 Elite  
User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12569 posts, RR: 46
Posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 11255 times:
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Airbus announces a new bizjet, the A318 Elite!
http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre...ses_items/11_10_05_A318_Elite.html

A Swiss company called Comlux has become the launch customer for Airbus latest bizjet, the A318 Elite. The company has ordered 3 A318 Elites and 1 A319CJ in a deal signed today.
http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre...ems/11_10_05_A318Elite_Comlux.html


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User currently offline123 From Bolivia, joined Nov 2003, 745 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 11067 times:

Doubtlessly with Airbus entering the business aircraft segment with their smallest jet, is a huge threat to Dassault's largest aircraft segment.

It' s also about time Dassault thinks about reentering the commercial aviation segment.


User currently offlineSkibum9 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10937 times:

Quoting 123 (Reply 1):
is a huge threat to Dassault's largest aircraft segment.

I am not sure that is necessarily true. The operating costs will still probably be much higher, given the A318s size and weight, when compared to Dassault.



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User currently offline123 From Bolivia, joined Nov 2003, 745 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 10743 times:

Quoting Skibum9 (Reply 2):
The operating costs will still probably be much higher

Yes... and no. Dassault 3-engines should cost more in maintenance. I´m sure one of our a-netters can give us more details. Let´s wait for feedback!


User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4682 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 10712 times:

Quoting 123 (Reply 1):
Doubtlessly with Airbus entering the business aircraft segment with their smallest jet, is a huge threat to Dassault's largest aircraft segment.

Not really. The A318 is just trice as big as the Falcon 7X.

Quoting 123 (Reply 3):
Yes... and no. Dassault 3-engines should cost more in maintenance. I´m sure one of our a-netters can give us more details. Let´s wait for feedback!

Again, the engines are more than trice as big on the A318.

Quoting 123 (Reply 1):
It' s also about time Dassault thinks about reentering the commercial aviation segment.

You mean airliners ? Not very likely. A cooperation with EADS on military projects has started, so this could continue into airliners. But 2 big manufacturers are enough for the market, and Dassault would nearly have to start at zero (customer relations, maintenance etc.).



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User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 10697 times:

Quoting 123 (Reply 3):

Yes... and no. Dassault 3-engines should cost more in maintenance.

The maintenance price for one extra engine would be nowhere near the fuel prices for 3x the plane.


User currently offlineRj111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 10609 times:

To put it beyond any doubt, wouldn't the Dassult, with three smaller engines, avoid Etops unlike the A318?

And any idea of the max range of the A318E? I assume it retains the extra fuel tank options, like the A319CJ.


User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 10139 times:

Quoting Rj111 (Reply 6):
And any idea of the max range of the A318E? I assume it retains the extra fuel tank options, like the A319CJ.

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User currently offlineBoeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 10039 times:

Quoting 123 (Reply 1):
Doubtlessly with Airbus entering the business aircraft segment with their smallest jet, is a huge threat to Dassault's largest aircraft segment.

Hardly. The 7X is a much more capable aircraft than the 318 Elite could ever dream of being. This is nothing more than a PR stunt. All that Comlux did was approach Airbus and showed interest in the A318 and they smacked the "Elite" to it and, Vwalla! an A318 Elite is born.


User currently offlineA350 From Germany, joined Nov 2004, 1100 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 9504 times:

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Airbus ...can now offer an even more affordable alternative for customers that are happy with a shorter cabin and less range

Why less range? Normally it should have more range? Or did Airbus fit extra-weak engines?

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User currently offlineLawnDart From United States of America, joined May 2005, 970 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 8736 times:

Quoting 123 (Reply 1):
It' s also about time Dassault thinks about reentering the commercial aviation segment.

Yes, their last venture into the commercial market was such a resounding success...


User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7883 times:

123

I do not think Dassault will go Airliners.They still remember the Mercure story.......
They are still studying a supersonic biz jet.
Also rumoured is they'll perhaps enter again the mid size biz jet market , with a plane comparable in size with the Falcon20.Will see.......


User currently offlineA319XFW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7513 times:

Quoting Rj111 (Reply 6):
And any idea of the max range of the A318E? I assume it retains the extra fuel tank options, like the A319CJ

The ACT's won't fit into the A318, as the cargo door is smaller..... The range should be slightly higer than a normal A318, as the payload it has to carry is less.


User currently offlineSpeedbird128 From Pitcairn Islands, joined Oct 2003, 1648 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7457 times:

Quoting Rj111 (Reply 6):
To put it beyond any doubt, wouldn't the Dassult, with three smaller engines, avoid Etops unlike the A318?

Are bizjets bound to ETOPS rules??



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User currently offlineAirforum From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5776 times:

Quoting Speedbird128 (Reply 13):
Are bizjets bound to ETOPS rules??

And how about Charles Lindenbergh? Did he avoid ETOPS when flying the Spirit of St. Louis?

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User currently offlineHiJazzey From Saudi Arabia, joined Sep 2005, 870 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5289 times:

The press release makes a mention of "A320 prestige". I've never heard of it. Is there a larger corporate jet than the A319CJ?

User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21641 posts, RR: 55
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5263 times:

Quoting 123 (Reply 1):
Doubtlessly with Airbus entering the business aircraft segment with their smallest jet, is a huge threat to Dassault's largest aircraft segment.

The A318 is in an entirely different class from the Falcons. The Falcons are going to outperform the 318, and be cheaper to operate while doing it.

But if you've got 20 executives you want to haul around in the lap of luxury, a Falcon's not going to do it. That's where the market for the 318CJ (and 319CJ and BBJ) is.

-Mir



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User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1885 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4925 times:

Quoting Boeing nut (Reply 8):
This is nothing more than a PR stunt. All that Comlux did was approach Airbus and showed interest in the A318 and they smacked the "Elite" to it and, Vwalla! an A318 Elite is born.

I wonder if you'd be saying the same words if Comlux wanted Boeing to make a 737-600 into BBJ3... It's not like only Boeing listens to their customers.

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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26501 posts, RR: 75
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4865 times:

Quoting 123 (Reply 3):
Dassault 3-engines should cost more in maintenance.

Except of course the the Falcon's engines are much simpler and smaller, making maintenance cheaper

Quoting Rj111 (Reply 6):
To put it beyond any doubt, wouldn't the Dassult, with three smaller engines, avoid Etops unlike the A318?

General Aviation aircraft are not subject to ETOPS rules

Quoting A350 (Reply 9):
Why less range? Normally it should have more range? Or did Airbus fit extra-weak engines?

The A318 is too small to fit the extra fuel tanks that an ACJ or BBJ can have, so it can't add as much range.



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User currently offlineA319XFW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4629 times:

Quoting HiJazzey (Reply 15):
The press release makes a mention of "A320 prestige". I've never heard of it. Is there a larger corporate jet than the A319CJ?

If somebody with enough money wants an A320 with a luxury cabin, I'm sure Airbus won't say "No"
I guess this would be an A320 Prestige..
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/931956/M/


User currently offlineSkibum9 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4464 times:

Quoting Airforum (Reply 14):
And how about Charles Lindenbergh? Did he avoid ETOPS when flying the Spirit of St. Louis?

ETOPS doesn;t cover the Spirit of St. Louis. ETOPS is for TWINS, the St. Louis was a single engine. They would need to come up with ESOPS to cover that.



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User currently onlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6392 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4383 times:

Quoting Speedbird128 (Reply 13):
Quoting Rj111 (Reply 6):
To put it beyond any doubt, wouldn't the Dassult, with three smaller engines, avoid Etops unlike the A318?

Are bizjets bound to ETOPS rules??

Nope. Part 91 (business) of the FARs, unless chartered, then part 135 rules apply. (Of course, I only know the U.S. regs...your mileage may vary).

There are rules on over water survival gear and flotation devices, depending on how many pax are on board.



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User currently offlineMilan320 From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 869 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4190 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 21):
Nope. Part 91 (business) of the FARs, unless chartered, then part 135 rules apply. (Of course, I only know the U.S. regs...your mileage may vary).

There are rules on over water survival gear and flotation devices, depending on how many pax are on board.

According to Wikipedia:

Private jets are exempted from ETOPS by the FAA, but are subject to the ETOPS-120 minute rule in the JAA's jurisdiction. Several commercial airline routes are still off-limits to twinjets because of ETOPS regulations. They are routes traversing the South Pacific, Southern Indian Ocean such as Perth, Australia to Johannesburg, South Africa and Antarctica such as Auckland, New Zealand to Buenos Aires, Argentina.

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