Skibum9 From United States, joined Nov 2001, 1208 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7920 times:
Quoting 123 (Reply 1): is a huge threat to Dassault's largest aircraft segment.
I am not sure that is necessarily true. The operating costs will still probably be much higher, given the A318s size and weight, when compared to Dassault.
A342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 3834 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7695 times:
Quoting 123 (Reply 1): Doubtlessly with Airbus entering the business aircraft segment with their smallest jet, is a huge threat to Dassault's largest aircraft segment.
Not really. The A318 is just trice as big as the Falcon 7X.
Quoting 123 (Reply 3): Yes... and no. Dassault 3-engines should cost more in maintenance. I´m sure one of our a-netters can give us more details. Let´s wait for feedback!
Again, the engines are more than trice as big on the A318.
Quoting 123 (Reply 1): It' s also about time Dassault thinks about reentering the commercial aviation segment.
You mean airliners ? Not very likely. A cooperation with EADS on military projects has started, so this could continue into airliners. But 2 big manufacturers are enough for the market, and Dassault would nearly have to start at zero (customer relations, maintenance etc.).
Boeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7022 times:
Quoting 123 (Reply 1): Doubtlessly with Airbus entering the business aircraft segment with their smallest jet, is a huge threat to Dassault's largest aircraft segment.
Hardly. The 7X is a much more capable aircraft than the 318 Elite could ever dream of being. This is nothing more than a PR stunt. All that Comlux did was approach Airbus and showed interest in the A318 and they smacked the "Elite" to it and, Vwalla! an A318 Elite is born.
FCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2138 posts, RR: 3 Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4866 times:
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I do not think Dassault will go Airliners.They still remember the Mercure story.......
They are still studying a supersonic biz jet.
Also rumoured is they'll perhaps enter again the mid size biz jet market , with a plane comparable in size with the Falcon20.Will see.......
A319XFW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4496 times:
Quoting Rj111 (Reply 6): And any idea of the max range of the A318E? I assume it retains the extra fuel tank options, like the A319CJ
The ACT's won't fit into the A318, as the cargo door is smaller..... The range should be slightly higer than a normal A318, as the payload it has to carry is less.
Mir From United States, joined Jan 2004, 13086 posts, RR: 65 Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2246 times:
Quoting 123 (Reply 1): Doubtlessly with Airbus entering the business aircraft segment with their smallest jet, is a huge threat to Dassault's largest aircraft segment.
The A318 is in an entirely different class from the Falcons. The Falcons are going to outperform the 318, and be cheaper to operate while doing it.
But if you've got 20 executives you want to haul around in the lap of luxury, a Falcon's not going to do it. That's where the market for the 318CJ (and 319CJ and BBJ) is.
BlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1181 posts, RR: 5 Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1908 times:
Quoting Boeing nut (Reply 8): This is nothing more than a PR stunt. All that Comlux did was approach Airbus and showed interest in the A318 and they smacked the "Elite" to it and, Vwalla! an A318 Elite is born.
I wonder if you'd be saying the same words if Comlux wanted Boeing to make a 737-600 into BBJ3... It's not like only Boeing listens to their customers.
...btw it's spelled VOILA
You can bash me all you want, but I consider the 747 and A380 equal... in their ugliness!!! Signed: 777 fanatic.
A319XFW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1612 times:
Quoting HiJazzey (Reply 15): The press release makes a mention of "A320 prestige". I've never heard of it. Is there a larger corporate jet than the A319CJ?
If somebody with enough money wants an A320 with a luxury cabin, I'm sure Airbus won't say "No"
I guess this would be an A320 Prestige.. http://www.airliners.net/open.file/931956/M/
Skibum9 From United States, joined Nov 2001, 1208 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1447 times:
Quoting Airforum (Reply 14): And how about Charles Lindenbergh? Did he avoid ETOPS when flying the Spirit of St. Louis?
ETOPS doesn;t cover the Spirit of St. Louis. ETOPS is for TWINS, the St. Louis was a single engine. They would need to come up with ESOPS to cover that.
KELPkid From United States, joined Nov 2005, 4169 posts, RR: 8 Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1366 times:
Quoting Speedbird128 (Reply 13): Quoting Rj111 (Reply 6):
To put it beyond any doubt, wouldn't the Dassult, with three smaller engines, avoid Etops unlike the A318?
Are bizjets bound to ETOPS rules??
Nope. Part 91 (business) of the FARs, unless chartered, then part 135 rules apply. (Of course, I only know the U.S. regs...your mileage may vary).
There are rules on over water survival gear and flotation devices, depending on how many pax are on board.
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Milan320 From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 855 posts, RR: 15 Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1173 times:
Quoting KELPkid (Reply 21): Nope. Part 91 (business) of the FARs, unless chartered, then part 135 rules apply. (Of course, I only know the U.S. regs...your mileage may vary).
There are rules on over water survival gear and flotation devices, depending on how many pax are on board.
According to Wikipedia:
Private jets are exempted from ETOPS by the FAA, but are subject to the ETOPS-120 minute rule in the JAA's jurisdiction. Several commercial airline routes are still off-limits to twinjets because of ETOPS regulations. They are routes traversing the South Pacific, Southern Indian Ocean such as Perth, Australia to Johannesburg, South Africa and Antarctica such as Auckland, New Zealand to Buenos Aires, Argentina.
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