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Air Canada Unveils New Seating  
User currently offlineChrisA330 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 630 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 10528 times:

New Release:
http://biz.yahoo.com/cnw/051110/eaircanada_newseating.html?.v=1

Pictures of new Exec First Suite (looks a la VS and NZ):
http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/media/facts/first_exec.html

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User currently offlineHjulicher From Liechtenstein, joined Feb 2005, 869 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 10121 times:

This looks really uncomfortable. To much separation in an already confined space. I don't like it.


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User currently offlineZkojh From China, joined Sep 2004, 1659 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10055 times:

this the new trend follow on from another star alliance airline, (NZ) tho get NZ to do the work, and save some jobs!!


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User currently offlinePA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1995 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10028 times:
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Quoting Zkojh (Reply 2):
this the new trend follow on from another star alliance airline, (NZ) tho get NZ to do the work, and save some jobs!!

Actually these seats were first introduced by VS.



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User currently offlineTpaewr From United States of America, joined May 2001, 450 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9959 times:

Quoting Hjulicher (Reply 1):
This looks really uncomfortable. To much separation in an already confined space. I don't like it.

I have to agree, it "looks" bad. I haven't flown this lay out yet.Only the other trend (ie 170 flat ) Perhaps it works better than it looks.


I think we are seeing the strain of trying to stuff P seats into J spaces.


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9488 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9775 times:

Are these seats the same as the ones developed by VS and licensed to NZ? They look a little different since the wall curves around into the aisle more and the seat looks like it is shaped differently. It looks like a new copy cat design.

http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/media/facts/documents/seat_lieflat.jpg

http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/media/facts/documents/Seat_cabin_view.jpg


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User currently offlineSkydrol From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 962 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 9671 times:

Interesting, but the aisles look really narrow between those cells.

Wonder if they tested the aisles in this layout to be passable for someone with a 48" waist.



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User currently offlineMarshalN From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2005, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 9664 times:

Looks like AC's seats have a bit more privacy than VS', but it's not clear from the pics since nobody's sitting in them

User currently offlineACB777 From Canada, joined Sep 2003, 350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9526 times:

Are there any photos of AC's new economy class seats anywhere on the internet?

User currently offlineA319XFW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9493 times:

I also take it looking at the photos that the passengers will be seated slightly at an angle to the direction of flight? Must be odd on take-off......

I'm presuming that the A320 family seats will be replaced when the aircraft are having their phase checks done?


User currently offlineCslusarc From Canada, joined May 2005, 838 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 9472 times:

Is the 1-1-1 seating configuration for the 767s or the 333s/343s?


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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 9426 times:

Quoting Hjulicher (Reply 1):
This looks really uncomfortable. To much separation in an already confined space. I don't like it.

Huh??? It looks to me like a huge improvement in privacy. Still, I would prefer a door that closes and much higher privacy screens.


User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8116 times:

Why are you all giving bad negatives if you guys haven't flown on any of the products?. You can't judge by the looks until you actually flown in one. I for myself see lots of improvements of the products on AC. I think its about time AC offer something better than their previous products. If you have been on several seats prove to us with a picture of you in the lie flat seats.

User currently offlineMartinairYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 1209 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7599 times:

Looks very uncomfy... couldn't expect more from AC....... the seats are crammed in like sardines, and the aisles are made for a toddler.......

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User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 2360 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7565 times:

Quoting Skydrol (Reply 6):
Interesting, but the aisles look really narrow between those cells.

Wonder if they tested the aisles in this layout to be passable for someone with a 48" waist.

Well, in their future, they will have a long hual fleet of only 777s and 787s. On that aircraft, the aisle and seats will probably be wider (since the aircraft is wider).


User currently offlineMarshalN From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2005, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7359 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 11):
Huh??? It looks to me like a huge improvement in privacy. Still, I would prefer a door that closes and much higher privacy screens.

I would think that might have safety issues -- like during an emergency evacuation it might make it difficult for pax to find the nearest open exit, etc


User currently offlineYYZatcboy From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1061 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7223 times:
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I would hate those walls. It also looks like there is no view out of the window! Embarrassment


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User currently offlineSQuared From Canada, joined May 2005, 387 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7149 times:

Quoting MartinairYYZ (Reply 13):
Looks very uncomfy... couldn't expect more from AC....... the seats are crammed in like sardines, and the aisles are made for a toddler.......

The seat dimensions are actually quite promising. As a bed, the shoulder width is 31", which is larger than BA's Club World, and SA's acclaimed Business Class.

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 5):
It looks like a new copy cat design.

AC's manufacturer, Contour Premium Aircraft Seating, is also the manufacturer of VS and NZ's seats...

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User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6817 times:

I can't wait to try out their new flie flat bed..

User currently offlineBohlman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6800 times:

Quoting YYZatcboy (Reply 16):
I would hate those walls. It also looks like there is no view out of the window! Embarrassment

I've been waiting for somebody to say something along these lines. I'd hate it too. Something about sitting in a cubicle with no outside view just bothers me, i guess.


User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6777 times:

i guess the ones who has flown in Virgin's Upper Class suite and NZ new first class will probably enjoy AC's seats since its almost the same layout.

User currently offlineAC7E7 From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 644 posts, RR: 22
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6633 times:

Quoting MartinairYYZ (Reply 13):
Looks very uncomfy... couldn't expect more from AC....... the seats are crammed in like sardines, and the aisles are made for a toddler.......

Give me a break, the pics are mockups. The pics are meant to show you the seats.

Wait till an aircraft is actually equipped with these seats and yoiu try them out before you judge its 'comfy-ness'.



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User currently offlineSE210Caravelle From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 252 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6381 times:

Quoting Tpaewr (Reply 4):
I have to agree, it "looks" bad.

Speaking of looks why does AC insist on using that really ugly cloth. It's disgusting, if you ask me and it doesn't go at all with that red pillow. How about white leather and red silk pillows.  wink  Now we're talking!

Quoting ACB777 (Reply 8):
Are there any photos of AC's new economy class seats anywhere on the internet?

Not that I am aware of. I didn't even know they were coming out with a new Economy.

Quoting A319XFW (Reply 9):
[The new seats] Must be odd on take-off

No more so then BA's rear facing Club World seats, or Virgins acclaimed Upper Class Suite.

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 11):
It looks to me like a huge improvement in privacy. Still, I would prefer a door that closes and much higher privacy screens.

I think, privacy wise, it does what a business class seat should do. The things above are more geared, IMO, to a first class seat, on a three class configured aircraft. Adding what you have stated above would make the seat border line claustrophobic, wouldn't you think?

Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 12):
Why are you all giving bad negatives if you guys haven't flown on any of the products?

Just look at it.

Quoting MartinairYYZ (Reply 13):
couldn't expect more from AC

I disagree. It seems to me that Air Canada is becoming a truly "world class" airline with the expected deliveries of the 777's and 787's, new seats (which any way you look at it, do seem to be an improvement), a beautiful livery and now PTV's.

Quoting Bohlman (Reply 19):
Something about sitting in a cubicle with no outside view just bothers me, i guess.

Me to. These seats seem really cramped and isolated.

My two cents,

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User currently offlineDavid T From Canada, joined Nov 2001, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6376 times:

If one traveled as a single person, Air Canada is certainly credited for trying to remain competitive, but I have not quite figured how this can be enjoyable when you travel with your wife, partner, etc. Remember, we are airline geeks and love this stuff, but my wife thinks flying is nothing but getting you as fast as you can to the beach, mai tai's and a 5 star hotel. I already know, without saying a word, that she would refuse to have me spend the extra on any route to have 2 seats in the new configuration where we cannot even reasonable sit together, let alone even see each other. (The extra seat for dining is over rated and uncomfortable, no practical use over a period of time.)

Just my 2 cents worth gang.

Submitted in my humble opinion.


User currently offlineCessnapimp From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 1320 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6124 times:

David T,

I completely understand your POV, and in your case, this is certainly an impediment. However...

I believe that in today's world we are tired of being linked up. What with the advent of the internet, and now those blackberrys, you can transform any environnement you are in into a 24hr/day office. Couples nowadays don't really mind spending "me" time. No exception for the airplane either. You can still get your ear talked off by your boss, but it is only a matter of time before he tires on the small seat. Only problem is you might feel obliged to sit in HIS adjacent seat, in which case you're SOL.

Another argument for this new configuration is the obnoxious and overly chatty seat neighbour. Ever spent 4 hours with a neighbour with cheap white wine breath in economy insisting on telling you his/her life, including future projections? Torture.


25 Jaysit : Why are you people grumbling about this arrangement? It is the new (and highest) standard in Business class seating with Virgin and Air New Zealand ha
26 Planemanofnz : This will be good if NZ, VS and now AC could offer some sort of round the world ticket in business class because of product similarity. Just a thought
27 Post contains images StuckinMAF : And they call Southwest "Cattle Car". Hmph.
28 Post contains images EnviroTO : A huge improvement over their current offering although the walls make it look a bit claustrophobic and the seat cushions look like they are as comfor
29 Post contains links and images Piercey : Fly EK, 'nuff said I'll hold further judgement for the time being, but it looks tight for anyone that isn't the Olsen twins and Paris Hilton     
30 Post contains images Boeingfanyyz : Looks pretty pathetic to me! I think Air Canada would be embarrassing our country by allowing passengers to sit on those poor excuses for a comfortabl
31 AirCanada014 : I don't think those seats are cramp. more privacy isn't that bad either if you are traveling alone. if traveling with a friend is a different story. I
32 CVG777 : I got the chance to experience Virgin's Upper Class Suite over the summer, JFK-LHR-JFK on the A346, and let me tell you that the seats and the whole a
33 IMatAMS : Is it me, or is something missing in those seats: the 'folding' headrest!! That's one of the most dramatic improvement in modern aircraft seats compar
34 Accargo : I believe that details such as aisle width for emergency evacutaion are safety mandated items. There is a minimum standard that must be adhered to, so
35 HanginOut : I think the seats look great, although, I do admit I am not a big fan of the colour scheme. I think they would have looked better if they were a solid
36 Lnglive1011yyz : Cannot this airline do ANYTHING right in some of your minds?? First them coming out of bankruptcy was wrong. Then the new paint was wrong. Then them r
37 Lnglive1011yyz : NOT to mention the bare metal paint on the '67's. Sorry, had to. LOL I'm looking forward to seeing these on board their fleet. AC is *finally* starti
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