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Washington Dulles-A National Embarrassment  
User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1347 posts, RR: 15
Posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 10057 times:

I returned yesterday from my trip to Brazil flying UA HNL-DEN-IAD-GRU-GIG-GRU-IAD-DEN-HNL. While I don't want to write a UA trip report here, I will say that as a first time visitor to IAD, I was appalled and as an American, I was embarrassed at how horrible this airport is. This is surely the worst big city airport in the US and worse, it's in our nations capital! I flew in and out of terminal C and it had to be the dingiest, darkest airport corridor I have ever seen, and talk about sparse facilities! The eating choices consisted of a pretzel place, yoghurt, or the worst airport McDonald's I have ever laid eyes on. It was the size of a closet and the workers from North East Africa were rude and clueless. (Nothing personal against citizens of North East Africa)
The worst experience though took place yesterday. Upon arriving in IAD from Sao Paulo, we proceeded to immigration only to find that the immigration counters were staffed by ONE inspector. Yes ONE! Here it was, 6:30am and a nearly fully loaded 767 had arrived along with two other flights from South America with several hundred passengers and there was ONE inspector to handle all US citizens and ONE inspector to process all non US citizens. It was horrendous. I might expect this in Wichita or some other small city but not in the US Capital. If that wasn't bad enough, the one inspector on duty wanted to be chatty. He looked at my immigration card and my passport and found out I was born and still reside in Hawaii and he then took a minute to tell me about his trip there with his wife several years ago, and how they had such a great time seeing the islands. I couldn't believe it. I wanted to tell him, look moron, you are holding up the line of 300 people behind me but I knew that if I said anything, he would send me to the back of the line so I bit my tongue and remained polite.
If you live in the DC area, I can't imagine using this airport on a regular basis. And again as an American citizen, I was embarrassed!

HALFA


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User currently offlineAussieItaliano From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9998 times:

I hear ya! When I was in college at Georgetown, I often had to fly in and out of IAD. In addition to what you have already mentioned, the so-called mobile lounges are also a disgrace, and access to the airport from Washington is pretty bad (and the access road is loaded with cops).

However, that being said, improvements are in the works. I remember flying in and out of airports like MDW and YUL not long ago was similar, but renovation made those experiences like night and day. Hopefully the same thing will happen with IAD.

As for the customs inspectors, that's the fault of the Customs Service. Don't even get me started on them!



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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9954 times:

Quoting HALFA (Thread starter):
This is surely the worst big city airport in the US and worse, it's in our nations capital!

You've obviously never arrived in JFK on an international flight. It is just as dingy as IAD.

That said, I agree that the IA at Dulles is an embarrassment.


Quoting HALFA (Thread starter):
I flew in and out of terminal C and it had to be the dingiest, darkest airport corridor I have ever seen, and talk about sparse facilities! The eating choices consisted of a pretzel place, yoghurt, or the worst airport McDonald's I have ever laid eyes on.



Terminal C is a "temporary" facility. Next time you are at IAD, visit Terminal B. That's what C is supposed to look like - someday.

Quoting HALFA (Thread starter):
The worst experience though took place yesterday. Upon arriving in IAD from Sao Paulo, we proceeded to immigration only to find that the immigration counters were staffed by ONE inspector. Yes ONE! Here it was, 6:30am and a nearly fully loaded 767 had arrived along with two other flights from South America with several hundred passengers and there was ONE inspector to handle all US citizens and ONE inspector to process all non US citizens

Welcome to the new improved Department of Homeland Security. I've flown out of IAD for 14 years, and the staffing levels among Customs & Immigration have been on a steady downturn ever since DHS was created.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26338 posts, RR: 76
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9938 times:

Quoting HALFA (Thread starter):
The eating choices consisted of a pretzel place, yoghurt, or the worst airport McDonald's I have ever laid eyes on.

There are FAR more options for food in the concourse than just those. Additionally, the compact nature of C/D makes it ideal for United's hub operation.

Quoting HALFA (Thread starter):
. Upon arriving in IAD from Sao Paulo, we proceeded to immigration only to find that the immigration counters were staffed by ONE inspector. Yes ONE! Here it was, 6:30am and a nearly fully loaded 767 had arrived along with two other flights from South America with several hundred passengers and there was ONE inspector to handle all US citizens and ONE inspector to process all non US citizens.

There are actually 2 FIS facilities. You used the one for connections. This allows United to have the lowest international-domestic connecting time of any major airport. I would not have been able to do a 56 minute connection (booked by UA) if it had not been for that facility. All those who are terminating in Washington use the larger international arrivals facility and your fully loaded 3-class 763ER only had 193 seats if every single seat was taken. The C/D concourse may be a bit dark, but it is indeed efficient and serves United quite well.



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User currently offlineDTManiac From Germany, joined Aug 2004, 689 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9936 times:

HALFA,

finally I found one guy thinking the same about IAD as I do. I connected there twice this year.

As you said the immigration facilities are quite poor and seem to be understaffed.
During the security screening the TSA employee threw my laptop in one of these plastic boxes like a piece of waste.
The whole airport just seems to be like a long hall. It doesnt look very good either. When I was there it was completely overcrowded, very few chances to get a seat.
They seem to have problems with the baggage also. During the first connection to IAH they lost my bags. When I flew IAD-FRA later, our 747 had to wait for about an hour because some bags were still stuck in the screening facility. How can that happen?

I will definitely avoid that airport in the future if possible.

Frederik



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User currently offlineSaab2000 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2001, 1610 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9899 times:

I agree 100%. Last year when I started working there for Air Wiscsonsin as United Express I was speechless at the conditions. To use the words "National Embarrasment" is not overstating things. It is a terrible airport and a terrible experience for travellers.

The Express gates are a joke. The mobile lounges have outlived their usefulness by 20 years. The security lines are long and very chaotic and disorganised. The delays are bad.

I consider it the worst airport in the United States. I have flown in and out of many and for me IAD is the worst. The funny thing is that the other concourse is not that bad, but the C, D and G concourses are terrible.

If IAD had about 40% less traffic it would probably be tolerable.



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User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9819 times:

Mobile Lounges....if you really have been to Dulles recently, you would have noticed the incredible amount of tunneling and construction under way to build the airport subway between the terminal and the midlfield gates. In a few years, it'll be just like Denver.

The subway is being built out to the area where the new C and D gates are supposed to be built for the new United/Star Alliance gates. I agree the present "temporary" C and D gates are horrid. You should see the amount of cockroaches I saw at that McDonalds's once. Needless to say, I don't eat anymore at the C and D gates when I travel.

Send your complaints to United, PLEASE. United needs to get on the ball and commit to to the airport authority to pay for the new permanent C and D gates. As United's Atlantic gateway, it sucks.


User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9762 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 2):
You've obviously never arrived in JFK on an international flight. It is just as dingy as IAD

Uh, JFK, depends on what airline you are on. United Airlines/British Airways share a common termanil that is above average in decor and convenience. Termanil 4 and Termanil 1 have had total facelifts and really are something to write home about.

Quoting HALFA (Thread starter):
If you live in the DC area, I can't imagine using this airport on a regular basis. And again as an American citizen, I was embarrassed!

Welcome to my Respected User List... Washington Dulles, is one of Americas most embarassing gateways to the World. As an American, who has arrived on a number of United Airlines flights from Europe and Denver, I can totally agree with your assesment of one of many national disgraces.

Dulle seems to be stuck in some kind of a sick and decaying rut. In many cases the airport is a mix of 70's drama and DFW memories. Both of which many of us would much rather have left 25 or so years ago in the past. The sad thing is that United Airlines is the hub airline and its facilities are near to subpar for a hub airport.

KAHALA777


User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5154 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9737 times:

DTManiac:

TSA problems aren't just at IAD. My wife was flying from ORD to CAK on UAX in August, 04. Every UA departure was running late, because TSA wasn't clearing bags fast enough.

The manifest showed that her CRJ200 was supposed to have 40 bags, and only 10 had been loaded at departure time. It took another 20 minutes to get the other 30 bags loaded and the hatch closed.

The problem is that Congress mandated that TSA do a number of things on a fixed schedule, without regard to the feasibility of the schedule. The UK took its time after Lockerbie to get aviation security to an acceptable level. That was 4 years. It took another 2 to 3 years to get security to a level where the government felt that virtually no one could get weapons or explosives onto a departing flight.


User currently offlineUSFlyer MSP From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2098 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9638 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 3):
There are actually 2 FIS facilities. You used the one for connections.

Actually, the Latin America flights use the IAB for all passengers. They arrive in the early morning and the Connections FIS facility is only open in the afternoon during the trans-atlantic bank between roughly 2:30 and 6:30pm.

I dislike Dulles as well (I use DCA if the DC area is my final destination) although it is great for connecting non-revs (especially in the 2:30 to 6:30 bank) . I have been on stand-by for significantly overbooked flights that left with empty seats due to outrageous 2.5 hour security queues.

USFlyer MSP


User currently offlineEspion007 From Denmark, joined Dec 2003, 1691 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9579 times:

Im going to have to go to IAD in 2 weeks, and possible go through the horrid D concourse.

Quoting HALFA (Thread starter):
If you live in the DC area, I can't imagine using this airport on a regular basis. And again as an American citizen, I was embarrassed!



Quoting AussieItaliano (Reply 1):
the so-called mobile lounges are also a disgrace

The last time I was in one of those mobile lounges, it started to fill with smoke as soon as we left the gate  scared 



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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9526 times:

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 7):
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 2):
You've obviously never arrived in JFK on an international flight. It is just as dingy as IAD

Uh, JFK, depends on what airline you are on. United Airlines/British Airways share a common termanil that is above average in decor and convenience. Termanil 4 and Termanil 1 have had total facelifts and really are something to write home about.

True. My last flight into JFK was on Delta, and that IA arrival set up is the one I was referring to.

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 7):
Dulle seems to be stuck in some kind of a sick and decaying rut. In many cases the airport is a mix of 70's drama and DFW memories. Both of which many of us would much rather have left 25 or so years ago in the past. The sad thing is that United Airlines is the hub airline and its facilities are near to subpar for a hub airport.

As I said before, I agree that Dulles is indeed an embarrassment. But it's not like nothing has been going on. The MWAA spent the better part of the 1990's bringing Reagan National up to par - and at the same time, expanding the Dulles Main Terminal, rebuilding the B concourse, and building two huge parking garages. Now, they are finally building the long awaited rail system, and hopefully, a new C/D concourse. As a frequent flyer, I'd like to see Dulles look like Reagan National, but as a taxpayer, I recognize it can't all be done at once.

Seems to me Heathrow is undergoing the same kind of renovation.....

Quoting USFlyer MSP (Reply 9):
I have been on stand-by for significantly overbooked flights that left with empty seats due to outrageous 2.5 hour security queues.

Again, you can thank Congress, DHS, and TSA for the afternoon rush caused by not enough screeners.


User currently offlineIairAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9506 times:

They are making lots of improvements, Eventually it will be a much more passenger friendly airport. Take a look at the B terminal sometime, It is very nice with lots of food /retail facilities. As someone else mentioned C/D is a temporary facility and I agree it is awful always so hot and stuffy. I've been fortunate to never have a long wait at immigration there (unlike NRT, LHR and SYD).

User currently offlineNwafflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1050 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9500 times:

And, that is why I come into the US through either Detroit, Minneapolis or Houston (depending on where I'm coming from). I will schedule my international trips, and pay extra if needed so that I can land at an airport of my choice. Strangely, EWR (Newark) is also decent -- but the other NY airports are horrible, and also customs at Logan is OK, the airport itself is pretty bad

User currently offlineBrokenrecord From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 772 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9478 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 2):
Terminal C is a "temporary" facility. Next time you are at IAD, visit Terminal B. That's what C is supposed to look like - someday.

Agreed. I visited Terminal B for my ANA flight to NRT, and it is absolutely beautiful compared to C and G.


User currently offlineSpartanmjf From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9380 times:

Now those of us in Maryland would solve this embarassment easily - just come to BWI!


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User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9354 times:

Dulles...ancient indian word for "airport always under freakin' construction!"

Quoting Spartanmjf (Reply 15):
Now those of us in Maryland would solve this embarassment easily - just come to BWI!

BWI...ancient eastern shore word for "continually rebuilt parking garage." I swear they have been working on that thing for 20 years.



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User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1347 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9328 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 3):
There are FAR more options for food in the concourse than just those. Additionally, the compact nature of C/D makes it ideal for United's hub operation.

You're right, my mistake. I forgot about the donut/bagel place, natural snacks place, and some brewing company with, I think 4 tables next to the fleabag McDonald's. Great healthy options for hungry fliers flying all day.

Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 6):
....if you really have been to Dulles recently, you would have noticed the incredible amount of tunneling and construction under way to build the airport subway between the terminal and the midlfield gates. In a few years, it'll be just like Denver

They have YEARS to go before they are anything like the beautiful, spacious Denver airport that I arrived at from IAD. UA's B Concourse in Denver was heaven compared to IAD. Wide corridors, floor to ceiling windows with great views of the mountains, lot's of eating choices, wide moving walkways in both directions, it was night and day compared to IAD.

I forgot to mention the shuttles from the arrival terminal to customs. These big white Tundra Buggy lookalikes (if you've been to Churchill, Canada you know what I'm talking about) They load all of us into this "shuttle" but all of the ones who boarded the shuttle first took seats at the very front, or stood up near the entrance, blocking the narrow pathway with their carryon's to the open seats in the back. I soon realized why. They had obviously cleared customs at IAD before and knew that if they were not one of the first one's off the shuttle, they would have a LONG wait to clear immigration.

I will be flying back to IAD next Friday as a crewmember, working a charter for the Oakland Raiders for their game next weekend against the Redskins. Hopefully we will not be pulling up to the "C" concourse.

HALFA

[Edited 2005-11-11 03:51:37]


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User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 31
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9326 times:

What are these mobile lounges that people constantly mention here?


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User currently offlineKohflot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9306 times:

For me, any shortcomings of the C/D concourse are immediately nullified by the glory of the main terminal building.

User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9271 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 18):
What are these mobile lounges that people constantly mention here?

Check here and scroll down to find it. They are fun to ride a few times but they really need to finish the train tunnel at IAD.

http://www.metwashairports.com/Dulles/history.htm



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User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9198 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 18):
What are these mobile lounges that people constantly mention here?

An idea whose time has passed.

For those whinning about IAD, get off it. The damn place is getting a face lift.


User currently offlineFreakyDeaky From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 128 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9185 times:

According to the latest - the brand new C & D concourses are supposed to be completed in 2012. Dulles seems to be way behind the country on new terminals. Dulles requires lots of patience to be sure!!


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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9118 times:

Quoting HALFA (Reply 17):
They have YEARS to go before they are anything like the beautiful, spacious Denver airport that I arrived at from IAD. UA's B Concourse in Denver was heaven compared to IAD. Wide corridors, floor to ceiling windows with great views of the mountains, lot's of eating choices, wide moving walkways in both directions, it was night and day compared to IAD.

Perhaps it is taking too long, but the MWAA is trying to improve the place. And if you take a few minutes to visit IAD's B concourse, you will see a huge difference from the C/D concourses.

Perhaps if the MWAA had the benefit of building an entirely new airport in a different location from their existing operation, it would be as nice as Denver - which is a relatively brand new airport that had the luxury of being built while traffic was still using Stapleton. Not the most appropriate comparison.

Quoting FreakyDeaky (Reply 22):
According to the latest - the brand new C & D concourses are supposed to be completed in 2012. Dulles seems to be way behind the country on new terminals. Dulles requires lots of patience to be sure

What makes Dulles any different from any other large and busy airport that has to rebuild while still operating? MIA's new D terminal is nice, as is the A terminal, but the rest of their terminals aren't anything to write home about. PHL's A terminal is nice, but D is a dump. LHR is going to have a nice new T5, while T1 and T2 aren't any better than C and D at Dulles.


User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9036 times:

Another prime example of taxpayer funds hard at work on our behalf.  Yeah sure


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25 FreakyDeaky : True. I am patient with their progress - but I am surprised at the lack of services in the C concourse. This affects the employees as well. I wish th
26 USFlyer MSP : Is there another airport where the primary tenant has the worst facilities? USFlyer MSP
27 Symphonik : IAD sucks. Lived there and flew out of there for many years. They have had decades to do something about those godforsaken mobile lounges, and have ta
28 RoseFlyer : While I fully believe in beautiful attractive terminals, I don't want to pay more to get it. I don't want to pay higher fares. I don't want to pay hig
29 An-225 : I don't really mind the airport itself, except the fact that it's rather dark, depressing and crowded. What I do like is those benches with no armrest
30 Halls120 : Don't feel too bad. I carry an official passport, which used to get me a friendly "hello" and rapid processing. Nowdays, I consider myself lucky if a
31 NAV20 : I also find Dulles a depressing airport to visit. One of the worst things is the signage - last time I was there a friend who was meeting me didn't sh
32 Post contains images PlaneGuy27 : Let me bring up a few points for all of you complaining that Dulles is too congested and a horrid travel experience and dare I saw your tax dollars a
33 GOCAPS16 : I like to mention that the project didn't start today but some 5 years ago. The new control tower is being built and is almost completed, the new Ter
34 Bcbhokie : Say everything you want about C/D, but they're fabulous compared to Terminal G, United's commuter shack, er, facility. Remember, as I've said in plent
35 Post contains images FlyMeToTheMoon : Interesting opinions. I have flown in and out of IAD for the last six years pretty much every week and I like - now flame away! Here is why I like it
36 Post contains images Brokenrecord : Considering both Dulles and Reagan are only 25 miles from my parents house where BWI is 50, you do the math...
37 HALFA : In regards to UA's operations at IAD, the only thing that might be working is getting people from point A to Point B, but in doing so, they are not p
38 UA744Flagship : HAHA! I've done that to. Especially with IAD's notorious rolling summer delays, and the numerous mechanicals I've experienced there. (a 4hr delayed I
39 Brokenrecord : Terminal G sucks donkey d|ck.
40 Post contains links Bicoastal : Not exactly. Most airports, including Dulles, fund improvements through revenues from fees on tickets, leases, percentage profit from retail and food
41 CaptainStorck : I would have to agree with the posts that recommend going to BWI, it is much more accessible than IAD and all around a nicer airport to travel into or
42 Freedomtofly : Or DCA. A much closer and very nice alternitive to the dreary, disgusting IAD. It is true that they are building some sort of underground subway thin
43 UA744Flagship : The problem with a new C/D concourse at Dulles is that MWAA wants the company to fund most of its development. Estimated cost: $3 Billion. Hello? What
44 DCA-ROCguy : Thank you for pointing this out. Despite all its flaws, IAD is still pretty efficient (at least for connections solely on the C/D concourse). Going to
45 Post contains images Ti717 : Have you ever uses the Main terminal? Since I live on the Metro's Yellow line and pass the DCA everyday I could be very bias. I rather flying out of
46 Airbazar : Ironically, as a non-citizen, I found the IAD immigration officers to be the nices ones that I ever met. I know exactly what you mean about the dingy
47 AirPacific747 : It is definately not a good airport to switch planes in, and I dont like those buses you have to take to change terminal
48 D L X : Are you kidding me? Or do you work for BWI? Seriously, calm down. You did happen to notice the cranes, the tunnel-borers, the backhoes, etc.? You were
49 BG777300ER : I don't know what the problem is. I fly through threre like twice a year and I have no major complaints except the long security lines. The main build
50 Iflymax : Wow. I mean, I would say that it's nothing short of hysterical to call IAD a "National Embarassment" or compare temporary terminal G to a ghetto. Shee
51 Post contains images AA777 : LOL. BWI is possibly the worst-located airport in the entire country. Dulles is much more convenient, and better for international travel than is BWI
52 HALFA : No, I wasn't. If they are "temporary" terminals, how long has United had the bulk of their operations there? Why is UA operating out of temporary ter
53 DCA-ROCguy : LOL. BWI is possibly the worst-located airport in the entire country. Dulles is much more convenient, and better for international travel than is BWI.
54 Post contains images SkyHigh777 : As a native of the Washington, DC area, I have a bit of a biased towards Dulles aiport. When I was younger, I used to love visiting IAD because of the
55 Jaysit : Actually Dulles is pretty disgraceful. Try going through security at about 6 pm on any day. It will take you close to 1.5 hours. There are only 2 secu
56 FlyBoy84 : Funny. I've been through BWI recently and the airport seemed bustling with activity - lots of people...especially at the security lines. I flew UA. O
57 BHMBAGLOCK : I thought that was what Dulles was supposed to be when they built it. Unfortunately they ended up building an architect's dysfunctional wet dream. Ha
58 Jonathan L : I flew through IAD for the first time back in May on United/United Express (Air Wisconsin.) The C/D concourse is just horrid. There was even a bird fl
59 D L X : How many hubs were there in 1960? The system as designed, considering the circumstances of the times was fine. The game changed, IAD is now changing
60 AirNaskar380 : My uncle works there, with the safety/operations. He says they're in the midst of upgrades, one of them being for the a380 from lufthansa. So who know
61 DCA-ROCguy : Funny. I've been through BWI recently and the airport seemed bustling with activity - lots of people...especially at the security lines. I flew UA. OT
62 BCBHokie : What's embarrasing isn't that they built G and C/D, it's that there's no relief in sight to replace them. C/D have been around since the 1980s, from
63 Post contains images NoUFO : At least you have an airport that's worth to be mentioned. We don't.
64 D L X : That in fact, is part of the problem. The landmark main terminal should be the landmark. That means that it shouldn't be outdone by any other termina
65 Post contains images DCA-ROCguy : I'm a huge fan of Saarinen architecture (although I do think the TWA Terminal at JFK was his most impressive work) and agree that the main terminal of
66 Post contains links UA772IAD : I know that's right. www.mwaa.com Does anyone know what will happen to the cool old one above the main terminal? Yes! BWI is not easy to get to, unle
67 Gigneil : What's a termanil? Heh... a lot of BWI is just as dark and dingy. The parking garage is great, tho. As has been pointed out, no not really. N
68 JFK998 : IAD is NOT as bad as JFK Halls120. As a person who travels through around the country, I would say only one airport is worse than IAD and that is LAX!
69 BrownBat : Try the International Terminal at LAX. After a flight from Frankfurt or Tokyo , where the airports are like buildings of other planets, you'd think yo
70 Chgoflyer : I don't know if Id go that far. When it was built it was pretty cutting edge design and still today has real architectural significance. Try NRT, LAX
71 Vega : BA does not fly scheduled 777 service to BWI, only 767s.
72 Tornado82 : I personally would put it above (as in nicer than) EWR, PHL, and ORD on the "dingy" list. Likewise, it's a relatively simple connection point as oppos
73 Post contains images GVWOW : Concourses B and C (but especially C) of the midfield terminal at Detroit are very grim as well. It is very far from any decent shopping, and the bath
74 Tornado82 : And if you get food on the run coming from your mainline flight, and think you'll carry it over to the B/C gates... by the time you get there the foo
75 BHMBAGLOCK : I'd vote more for architectural abortion.
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