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Routes Operated For Prestige  
User currently offlineDYK From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 407 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2819 times:

In reference to the string "TG Losing 5 million a month on JFK route"

Do airlines operate routes for prestigious purposes despite losses or subsidize routes for the sake of prestige, for example TG BKK-NYC, or TN's PPT-NYC, or possible Virgin to Sydney?. I know for sure that if TG was flying to my home town and losing 5 million per month they would be out pretty quick


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User currently offlinePlaneGuy27 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2797 times:

Two things come to mind...

Olympic for years served Melbourne do the largest expatriate Greek population living there and finally they woke up and realized that this route was a stinker financially and cut it.

Also I heard once that Korean Air served Boston as a tag with Washington Dulles because the CEO had a child at university in BOS - as soon as the kid graduated - the service was OVER!

A couple of others - United giving up JFK - Sao Paulo and EZE to realize the connections were much better for them in Dulles and they were getting their buts kicked by American.

Tarom finally pulling out of their prestige route to JFK from OTP

And the Saudia Dulles - Riyadh/Jeddah flights are never full!

PlaneGuy27


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2776 times:

I dont know why flying to JFK would be prestigious. Nearly every airline that flies intercontinental flies to JFK. Prestige should have uniqueness aswell. TG might just keep flying to JFK to offer their loyal customers this destination on their own aircraft, instead of loosing them to SIA or MH.


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User currently offlineEjmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2749 times:

SHV-ATL

From what i've read, its a money loser for DL on the CRJ-200's

However, since SHV was one of the first cities served by the fore-runner for DL back in the '30's and '40's, it would be difficult for DL to leave the market.

Sort of a nostalgic station for them.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32776 posts, RR: 72
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2713 times:

Miami-Cartagena on Avianca. The route loses money, but Avianca keeps it going under demands of the Colombian government, even though they don't subsidize the flight. Cartagena is Colombia's litte piece of paradise, very isolated from the troubles that face other parts of Colombia, so the local government feels it is extremely important to maintain a non-stop to Miami.


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User currently offlineODAFZ From Afghanistan, joined Jul 2004, 357 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2653 times:

Middle East Airlines AirLiban operating the line BEY-TUN-MAD after 1978 and until the early nineties was a prestige line. The reason of the opening of the line was that the HQ of the Arab League was transferred from CAI to TUN after Egypt signed the peace treaty with Israel and the relocation of the PLO HQ to TUN after the Israeli invasion of 1982. The line was acode share beyween TU and ME on BEY-TUN and between IB and ME on the BEY-MAD-BEY.

User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2443 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):
isolated from the troubles that face other parts of Colombia

Actually, Cartagena is very affected by our internal problems. There have been some terrorist attacks and the city itself is VERY poor.

Another prestige route is LIS-GRU for Varig. TP makes a lot of money but RG i have heard dont do so.



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User currently offlineNYCFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2247 times:

TLV-CAI on LY doesn't do well, but carries obvious historical significance. I had a chance to fly that route (60% load) over the summer, in what should have been the high season.

Second, my friend at UA tells me that all UA's flights to LHR do very badly. However, ORD-LHR, JFK-LHR, IAD-LHR and SFO-LHR are very prestigious routes, and UA sure doesn't want to lose those LHR slots.

Lastly, what about PIT-LGW on US? Does PIT-FRA still exist (I don't think so). I imagine any int'l flight from PIT is kept as a bone thrown to a formerly prestigious hub.


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2027 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):
Cartagena is Colombia's litte piece of paradise, very isolated from the troubles that face other parts of Colombia, so the local government feels it is extremely important to maintain a non-stop to Miami.

so you have been never to colombia? the paradise isnt such small that you are talking about.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 6):
Actually, Cartagena is very affected by our internal problems. There have been some terrorist attacks and the city itself is VERY poor.

the actual situation is going up and not down....

regards
Avianca



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User currently offlineSE210Caravelle From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 258 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2000 times:

Umm... probably Virgin Atlantic








User currently offlineUSADreamliner From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 1806 times:

Emirates.
I read once an article on airliner world magazine and the CEO of Emirates was saying that the company have enough money to operate routes just for prestige.

USADreamliner  wave 


User currently offlineFCYTravis From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 1735 times:

There is no transatlantic service to Pittsburgh International Airport anymore. The only US Airways international flights are to Cancun and Montego Bay.


USAir A321 service now departing for SFO with fuel stops in CAK, COS and RNO. Enjoy your flight.
User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2675 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 1731 times:

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 7):
Second, my friend at UA tells me that all UA's flights to LHR do very badly. However, ORD-LHR, JFK-LHR, IAD-LHR and SFO-LHR are very prestigious routes, and UA sure doesn't want to lose those LHR slots.

1) They also fly LAX-LHR, last I knew.
2) Your friend is wrong. UA does quite well on their LHR routes. They've dropped unneeded/money-losing routes (EWR, BOS), and concentrated on the ones that go to their hubs. JFK, however, is the exception. According to most on here with decent ties to the airline, JFK does quite poorly in the face of all the competition.


User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 1723 times:

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 7):
Second, my friend at UA tells me that all UA's flights to LHR do very badly. However, ORD-LHR, JFK-LHR, IAD-LHR and SFO-LHR are very prestigious routes, and UA sure doesn't want to lose those LHR slots.

What about LAX?  Smile

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 7):
Lastly, what about PIT-LGW on US? Does PIT-FRA still exist (I don't think so). I imagine any int'l flight from PIT is kept as a bone thrown to a formerly prestigious hub.

Nope harly any int'l left I think MBJ*,YYZ and CUN (some US cities like SAN are gone too)



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User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3350 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 1685 times:

The CFO of Qatar Airways (Airlines?) said they will buy the best plane and fly it on the most prestigious routes possible (like Doha to New York) just to be able to put New York in their timetables.

AAndrew


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