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Airbus Reiterates "200 A350 Orders By Year-end"  
User currently offlineJoni From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9122 times:

Check this out:

http://yahoo.reuters.com/financeQuot...05-11-11_12-25-18_sin175147_newsml

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User currently offlineJetMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9088 times:

Stating that again could be an indication for the long-awaited EK order...


Regards,
JM


User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9081 times:

Then they had better come up with a crapload of commitments at the airshow.

We have 143 orders now and I am highly confident that we will see 200 orders by the end of the year," Airbus sales chief John Leahy told Reuters on the sidelines of an event to mark the first long-haul flight of its A380.

What 143 orders? They have signed commitments for 25 aircraft.



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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9051 times:

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 2):
What 143 orders? They have signed commitments for 25 aircraft

So? As much as you want to hate this plane you cant deny the fact that it is not going to be as big a failure as you would like it to be.

[Edited 2005-11-11 16:58:11]

User currently offlineArt From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3391 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9038 times:

Is Leahy pointing a gun at his foot knowing he might have to squeeze the trigger on 1st January or does he know something about A350 orders that he has not yet told the world?

User currently offlineUSAF336TFS From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1445 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9031 times:

Looks like they may repeat the mistake Boeing made in 2004. Sell them first, THEN blow your own horn. Leahy, haven't you learned anything from that moron Condit?


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User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1904 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8985 times:

Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 5):
Looks like they may repeat the mistake Boeing made in 2004. Sell them first, THEN blow your own horn.

Two words for you:
Emirates
Aeroflot

 Smile



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User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8974 times:

Quoting JetMaster (Reply 1):
Stating that again could be an indication for the long-awaited EK order...

I also think EK will make an A350 announcement based on their previous behaviour. Just my gut feeling. When is the Dubai Airshow BTW and do you think that is when they will announce their future fleet plans?



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User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10183 posts, RR: 97
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8975 times:
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Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 2):
What 143 orders? They have signed commitments for 25 aircraft.

What makes this kind of conversation difficult is that, when you look at the A website as it is updated, some of the orders are at least 4-5 weeks old, so you only really know a month after the fact.

For certain Qatar have stated that they will sign the order for their 60 at the Dubai Air show.

[Edited 2005-11-11 17:09:12]

User currently offlineSjoerd From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 361 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8943 times:

Of course Leahy means orders and commitments...


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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12804 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8929 times:
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Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 2):
What 143 orders? They have signed commitments for 25 aircraft.

They have commitments from airlines for 143, 25 of which are now signed firm orders.

This is no different to Boeing saying they have 260-odd commitments for the 787. Far from all of those are currently signed firm contracts.



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User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8913 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 3):
So? As much as you want to hate this plane you cant deny the fact that it is not going to be as big a failure as you would like it to be.

No one said I want it to be a failure. As I have publically stated on this forum many times, both the A-350 and 787 will be successful over time. What I am saying here is that as far as has been revealed to date there are signed commitments for 25 airframs, so they must have a lot of orders pending for the airshow.

Don't put words in my mouth again.



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User currently offlineGEnxPower From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8910 times:

Last year when Boeing said they were selling 200 B787's before year end too, I was cheering for Boeing and hoping that they will get there. They missed their target in the end and it wasn't really that big a deal. It created alot of good publicity claiming to want to get to that "magical" number.

Airbus is doing the same this year, and I for one, will be cheering on Airbus the same and hoping they can get there too. Maybe they will miss their target too and it won't be a big deal either. Boeing fans remember last year, and I don't think not getting 200 last year affected how Boeing performed on thje 787 this year.

EK order and Aeroflot seems likely for A350. Anyone thinks Qantas and Singapore can squeeze in there? Or are they still leaning Boeing?

I'm hoping QF goes Boeing and SQ goes Airbus. Or at least one airline each way. I'm bi-partisan aviation fan, as long as they both uses the GEnx!  sly 


User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5044 posts, RR: 44
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8870 times:

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 11):
What I am saying here is that as far as has been revealed to date there are signed commitments for 25 airframs, so they must have a lot of orders pending for the airshow.

There are commitments for 143 firm orders, they can all be found on Airbus' website:

Air Europa 10
Alafco 12
CIT 5
Gecas 10
Kingfisher Airlines 5
Qatar Airways 60
TAM 8
US Airways 20
Unannounced 10
Eurofly 3

The 25 you are referring to are the ones for which the final contracts have already been signed. In their 'race' to get to 200 orders before year-end, Airbus counts all the above as orders, just like what Boeing did last year with the 787.


User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1904 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8808 times:

Quoting GEnxPower (Reply 12):
EK order and Aeroflot seems likely for A350

There was a post on this forum about Aeroflot order being announced in Russia last week. Emirates is about 90% certain as Boeing does not have authority to offer 787-10 yet.

Quoting GEnxPower (Reply 12):
Anyone thinks Qantas and Singapore can squeeze in there?

Singapore - only if they turn options for A380 into firm orders (highly unlikely at this time, they will do it only if they will be happy with their initial batch of A380s and will kiss 747ADV goodbye). Quantas - only if Airbus gives them a deal they can't refuse.



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User currently offlinePlaneDane From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8764 times:

Quoting Sjoerd (Reply 9):
Of course Leahy means orders and commitments...

Sjoerd, If that is what Leahy meant, then why doesn't he specifically say that?

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 10):
Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 2):
What 143 orders? They have signed commitments for 25 aircraft.

They have commitments from airlines for 143, 25 of which are now signed firm orders.

This is no different to Boeing saying they have 260-odd commitments for the 787. Far from all of those are currently signed firm contracts.

Scbriml, Boeing refers to theirs as orders and commitments. Airbus refers to theirs simply as orders. There's a difference in my opinion.


User currently offlineMarshalN From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2005, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8734 times:

Quoting PlaneDane (Reply 15):
Sjoerd, If that is what Leahy meant, then why doesn't he specifically say that?

Because it only matters to nit-pickers on a.net. IIRC Boeing said the same thing last year.


User currently offlineBoeingBus From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1597 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8679 times:

Reading the article... I thought the following statement was very interesting:

"Leahy declined to say how many A350s it needed to sell to break even: "We made the mistake of giving that number for the A380.""

He must have read the posts on here at A.Net. LOL!

I think it's very doable for 200 commitments. But not for firm orders. Anything that will offer efficiencies for an airliner will do well.

But anyhew, congrats to Airbus. Lets see how long this momentum can last. As soon as Boeing launches the 787-10, I think all those claims that the A350 will be the 777 killer are muted. The 787-10 is going to happen its just a matter of time.

I have always questioned the soo called Advanced materials for the A350. I started a post on this but no one could answer my question. Why is Airbus using a material that has been around for 20 something years and labeling it as Advanced but yet it's used on the 747/777, specifically Al Li fuselage panels.

Boeing has had plenty of experience using this and at the end passed this up for composites. I am not debating that Airbus is making a mistake but I question the reasoning for its use. But time will tell... Should be interesting of how the 787-10 will perform compared to the A359. OK, I'll stop rambling..

Cheers,

Ric



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User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5044 posts, RR: 44
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8660 times:

Quoting PlaneDane (Reply 15):
Sjoerd, If that is what Leahy meant, then why doesn't he specifically say that?

The fact that he said they already have 143 makes it pretty clear what he meant...

That and what MarshalN said.

[Edited 2005-11-11 18:07:13]

User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8630 times:

Quoting BoeingBus (Reply 17):
I have always questioned the soo called Advanced materials for the A350. I started a post on this but no one could answer my question. Why is Airbus using a material that has been around for 20 something years and labeling it as Advanced but yet it's used on the 747/777, specifically Al Li fuselage panels.

Im assuming here, with my little knowledge of materials currently used on conventional airliners, that Airbus went this way because it was far more simple, and it could churn out an A350 quicker and cheaper than going back to the drawing board and designing a brand new aircraft.

In my opinion its working. The A350 is already a success, its taking some orders away from Boeing, and that's what Airbus wanted, they don't want Boeing to run away in the middle market.

Assuming by the end of this year airbus gets 200 orders and Boeing has 270 orders (this number IM not certain on SO don't shoot me)... Or OK OK lets say Boeing has 300 orders by end of year, this means Boeing booked 60% of the market and 40% for Airbus, that's not bad at all.

200 by year end is achievable, with SU and EK they will hit that with a couple to spare.

Drew



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User currently offlineMidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8609 times:

Kudos to Airbus, if they reach the 200 order by the end of the year!

Amazing how both Boeing & Airbus push each other to make their products better.

Airbus comes out with the A320 aircraft line which pushes Boeing to produce the 737NG aircraft line.

Airbus comes out with the A330/A340 line in answer to the Boeing 757/767 line.

Boeing comes out with the 777 to combat the A330/A340.

Airbus comes out with the A350 to combat the 787......

Having both companies out there will only make their products that much better....

I am sure that I missed a bunch of things, but, I think you get my point  Smile



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User currently offlineSpeedbird128 From Pitcairn Islands, joined Oct 2003, 1648 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8594 times:

I reckon Etihad (EY) will be in for a few A350's too... That may well be announced at this months airshow in Dubai as well as the pending EK order...


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User currently offlineElGreco From France, joined Nov 2005, 164 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8526 times:

I 'm doing some work for both A350 and B787, and the "fuel and maintenance cost/efficiency" of both will be very high compare to 90% of existing airlines fleets.
The difference will be the industrial capacity of Boeing, Airbus and most important "partners" to follow the incredible demand created by kerosene price and lake of investment/replacement last years (especially in US, e.i: Delta,...).
New B787 order will be delivered after first A350 ones.



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User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1904 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8516 times:

Quoting KL808 (Reply 19):
this means Boeing booked 60% of the market and 40% for Airbus, that's not bad at all.

This is the exact market share I'm predicting, too. Boeing has the advantage of offering true 767/A300/A310 replacement, while Airbus has only 767-400 replacement on offer.

Quoting BoeingBus (Reply 17):
Why is Airbus using a material that has been around for 20 something years and labeling it as Advanced but yet it's used on the 747/777, specifically Al Li fuselage panels.

Because they want to gradually "work in" the composite technology into their design. Airbus is working on composite A400M and watch for that technology being incorporated into the future commercial designs from Airbus Industrie. I'm still curious how Boeing will solve the drawbacks of the outside composite surfaces, most notably the resin gelcoat cracks and the reaction of carbon fibre panels to the uv rays.



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User currently offline11Bravo From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1722 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8484 times:

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 13):
There are commitments for 143 firm orders, they can all be found on Airbus' website:

The cheerleading on this site never stops does it? Look Scorpio, the orders are either firm or they’re not. It’s that simple. It’s like pregnancy; you’re either pregnant, or you're not. Your characterization of “commitments for firm orders” is manipulative at best. Equivocation like that is nothing more than propagandistic spin.

Airbus has 25 firm orders for the A350.
Boeing has 196 firm orders for the B787.



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25 PlaneDane : Fine. Then they will soon have over 200 orders and commitments, which is impressive. Congratulations to Airbus.
26 Art : It may be true but it's not very descriptive of the situation: customers have not agreed to buy 8 times as many 787's as A350's.
27 Post contains images Scorpio : Yay! Another one decides to make this personal by crapping all over the thread. You must feel so proud.. What does this have to do with cheerleading?
28 Glom : For crying out loud. Over here, we've done nothing but count commitments from beginning. You think we were laughing at the A350 not having a single or
29 StuckInCA : At least there are a few of us who aren't so emotionally blinded by allegiance to a manufacturer that we can truly grasp this concept. I also feel li
30 11Bravo : I think that's exactly what it means. When you "agree to buy" something, you sign a contract. It the airline industry, that contract is known as a Fi
31 Incitatus : It's actually good for Boeing if the A350 sells a little more because it will cement the A350 program. It would be worse for Boeing if the offering o
32 Zvezda : Sorry, there is a big difference. When Boeing say they have 260-odd commitments, they mean commitments. When Boeing talk about orders they mean order
33 Art : OK, I agree to retract. However, I have agreed to buy things before without signing a sales contract. Perhaps I should have said "It may be true but
34 KL808 : I don't see the logic to this. The fact that Airbus has dented the B787 order book is not good at all for Boeing. It would have been better for Boein
35 Post contains images Scorpio : Sorry, untrue. Airbus calls them 'Firm order commitments' on their website, clearly distinguishing them from firm, signed orders. LOL! Yeah, wouldn't
36 USAF336TFS : I'm sorry but can you point out to me where Emirates and Aeroflot are A350 customers on Airbus' site, because, silly me, I missed it. Both carriers a
37 Scorpio : He was merely pointing out that both have recently been rumored to order A350, and that orders from them could bring the total to 200. That's all he
38 Soylentgreen : Wow, if Aeroflot opts for the 350 over Boeing, it will be BIG news in the US. The political ramifications will be noticed, even if it is a small commi
39 Zvezda : Are you suggesting Leahy was misquoted? See the news articles above quoting him.
40 Scorpio : No, but there's a difference between what someone says to a reporter and the official word in press releases.
41 NoUFO : Isn't it a mistake to publicly announce expected orders by the end of the year anyway - no matter how you define orders? If you don't want to risk los
42 Post contains links BlueSky1976 : Thread about alleged Aeroflot purchase Emirates is pretty much a done deal, unless Boeing gets authority to offer 787-10X to them before the Dubai sh
43 Joni : I'd expect that today's Al-Li structures are different from the Al-Li structures of 20 years ago.
44 MidnightMike : Actually no, a delay to the A350 would be a boon to Boeing & the 787 program. If Airbus went back to the drawing board, you are talking about an airp
45 USAF336TFS : Couldn't agree more, although I would not be surprised if Boeing and Emirates came to that conclusion and annouced a order for the 787-10. Again, exc
46 FCKC : So apart the airlines mentionned above and some others we spoke sooner in other threads (EK , SU , SQ , QF , EY , AY , EI ) , which are the other ones
47 WhiteHatter : AF/KL could come in for the aircraft as an A340/772ER replacement and fleet expansion before much longer, especially Air France. SN Brussels is anoth
48 BlueSky1976 : Well... once again - if Boeing is not authorised to formally offer 787-10, Emirates cannot order it. Furthermore, Boeing's latest formal proposal to
49 Sjoerd : Boeing isn't even formally offering the B789.
50 KL808 : what ramifications are you talking about, there is none. Politics is not much a factor in this order. Drew
51 Soylentgreen : Aeroflot is selling 10 percent of its shares on the United States market in early 2006 to raise $$$ for new planes. Separately, the US Export-Import
52 Kappel : What about Gulf Air? They were talking about simplifying their long-haul fleet to one type, namely the 787/a350 (read it in AirlinerWorld a couple of
53 Georgiabill : Curious why is everyone so certain Aeroflot buying the A350? Within the last couple of weeks remember reading an article which stated Aeroflot was in
54 WhiteHatter : It was a rumour, nothing more. There were reports of a deal being finalised but nothing whatsoever that could be used as evidence. As usual the rumou
55 N79969 : If they said it twice, you can pretty much bank on them achieving 200 orders (in some form) on or around that date. These kinds of announcements affec
56 BoeingBus : Far from the truth. It's most definitly being offered to airlines, and part of all the 787 marketing materials. What is not known is its first delive
57 Astuteman : Airbus have quoted the term "3rd generation Al-Li alloy". I've no idea specifically what it means, but that's what they say. A
58 Joni : Nowadays metallic alloys can be optimized numerically on the quantum-physical level. Adding trace amounts of various metals can change the properties
59 Post contains images Glideslope : Mr. Leahy makes Condit look like the Patron Saint. Well done. They hate it when you point out facts. Be careful, you'll be a target now. Wow, it only
60 Joni : The patron saint of what or who?
61 Post contains images JetMaster : How do you know? Wait - do you imply composites are made of "non-existant materials"? Regards, JM
62 Scorpio : Glideslope, Seriously, an honest question; have you EVER made a post here that contributed anything to the discussion? If you have, could you please p
63 Art : I don't think factor 1 has any effect on choice. Investors look for the highest return. If the highest return is promised by Aeroflot buying non-US e
64 Incitatus : Yes and that airplane would be superior to the 787. As it stands now the A350 is just a stop gap measured to prevent A330 customers from defecting to
65 Astuteman : That I do know! I specifically used the word "specifically" to indicate that I do not know WHAT the new combinations are.........
66 Art : IMO that would be true of the A350 design offered last year - basically an A330 with new engines. That was several designs ago.
67 Scbriml : What are you basing this pearl of wisdom on exactly?
68 WAH64D : Ahhh, another refreshing post from the Patron Saint of wishful thinking. Glideslope, do you have a pair of special Boeing pyjamas?
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