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DL ATL-GIG A Success, So Far  
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4016 times:

DL started nonstop flights ATL-GIG as of October/05, in addition to its two daily ATL-GRU B763s.

After 45 days of operations, reports so far are that DL's nonstop flight to GIG is huge success and part of it is DL marketing campaign, since Rio de Janeiro has been featuring as DL's main destination on its website front-page: http://www.delta.com/home/index.jsp

Any more information about DL operations to GIG? Apparently loads and yields have been very helthy, yet again undermining the "myth" that GIG is a low-yielding destination, but I assume the real test will come in March/06 when the low season starts, i.e. after New Year's eve and Carnaval!  Wink

Also, DL's success with its third flight to Brazil (GIG) appears in stark contrast to UA's third flight to Brazil (IAD-GRU) which so far has shown average to poor loads and yields. Perhaps it indicates that UA should have opened IAD-GIG nonstop instead. I'm sure UA is taking note of DL's success in GIG.

Rgs,

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User currently offlineJumbojet From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3997 times:

Nice to know that this route is successful. On the other hand, ATL to SDQ begins Dec 1 and is doing very poorly. Already downgraded from a 763 to a 757. Except for Christmas and NewYears, (which go back to the 763) the flights are mostly empty.

User currently offlineExusair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 684 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3976 times:

Cargo revenues seem to be driving profitablility in Brazil and other South American markets.

GIG has done surprisingly well in addition to SCL and GRU service. The cargo pretty much pays for the flight with passenger loads going straight to the profit margin.


User currently offlineNeo From Brazil, joined Jan 2001, 672 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3951 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Thread starter):
After 45 days of operations, reports so far are that DL's nonstop flight to GIG is huge success and part of it is DL marketing campaign, since Rio de Janeiro has been featuring as DL's main destination on its website front-page: http://www.delta.com/home/index.jsp

Yes, I noticed that and was impressed by Delta's iniciative in promoting GIG as their main destination. Great picture of Sugar Loaf by the way!!

DL did a pretty good job and took the right decision in starting non-stop flights to GIG. GIG has lately proven it is no longer a merely low-yield destination, gathering also a lot of high yield pax, specially from the Oil, Telecomunication, Automobile and Energy industries.

In addition to that GIG now is almost big as GRU for domestic traffic just 633.000 pax behind, and offers far better conections to cities like BZH, BSB, SSA, VIX, BEL, AJU, MCZ, capturing also more high yield pax from these markets. It is important to remember as been said by LipeGIG beforore, GRU traffic relies 60% on connecting pax, which confirms how significant connections are.

Regarding UAL's second flight to GRU, I believe GIG would be a better option as it would allow them to have a new destination and capture conecting pax from RG network in GIG which is considerably strong, thus creating better options for pax flying to th Us from those cities mentioned above, avoiding in some case also the need to change aiport in SAO.

Take VIX for an example, conections thru GRU are terrible to say the least, there are only 2 non-stop flights (JJ) but very offtime to allow good connections to intl departures, including US, demanding 6-8 hour layover is GRU. The only alternative for connections is changing aiports in SAO, which is already bad anyways... If GIG offered more intl nonstop flight, for sure it would allow better conections for VIX and other important cities in NE and SE of Brazil.

Rgs,

Neo


User currently offlineAces727 From Colombia, joined Oct 2005, 173 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3947 times:

Great news for Delta and GIG. I am curious about Delta's operations in latin America, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe most of these operations relay on connecting passengers. Atlanta, compared to Miami, New York, L.A. does not have a big latin population to support daily flights. (The only latin airline flying to ATL is Aeromexico). I know many people from Panama and Bogota that travel on Delta because they offer better connections to Europe and smaller US citites. Does any one know how is Delta doing on the ATL-BOG, ATL-LIM routes?

User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3828 times:
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Quoting Hardiwv (Thread starter):
Any more information about DL operations to GIG? Apparently loads and yields have been very helthy, yet again undermining the "myth" that GIG is a low-yielding destination, but I assume the real test will come in March/06 when the low season starts, i.e. after New Year's eve and Carnaval!

Hi Hardi!

Delta is really a success. The business elite is always 75% to 100% sold, altough number for Y during the week is under 55% to 60%. On fridays (like yesterday), saturdays and sundays is easy to see 100% load on the flights (both Y and C). There are some explanations for this as per DL comments:

a) Rio is the only O&D market to Atlanta in Brazil (Coca-Cola and CNN)
b) DL offer the better option from Rio to West Coast (on the days Varig do not runs GIG-GRU-LAX), as well as Chicago, Boston, Orlando, and several other cities.
c) DL made a fantastic marketing campaign in Rio (Newspapers, Magazines, and their slogan was " No need to pass thru São Paulo "
d) Coca-Cola was a strong customer of DL in São Paulo, and transfer their cargo needs (may be the best DL customer in Brazil) to Rio.
e) Rio is underserved of non-stop from US.

Yesterday and Thursday, the flight departs full.
Bookings for the next year, including the months after the high season are really good.

For Today:
ATL-GIG: 21C 107Y
ATL-GRU: 25C 140Y
ATL-GRU: 17C 108Y

GIG-ATL: 32C 157Y
GRU-ATL: 36C 169Y
GRU-ATL: 30C 155Y

Looking for C numbers, seems that DL take pax from the others. With 2 planes they can take 72C , now they are close to get 100C today (105C yesterday). Impressive numbers.

Quoting Neo (Reply 3):
If GIG offered more intl nonstop flight, for sure it would allow better conections for VIX and other important cities in NE and SE of Brazil.

Varig will offer more flights from Rio non-stop in january. Routes are not assigned yet, but rumors from RG says: 3x GIG-CDG (subject to approval from CERNAI), 3x GIG-MIA (no problem on bilateral), 3x GIG-JFK, more 2x GIG-LIS, a regular GIG-MUC and more 2x GIG-FRA. Some will be seasonal , others can be turned regular. Varig will probably add to it's fleet a 777-200 non-ER as well as put back to service 2 772 and 1 M11.
For the domestic routes, one new GIG-VIX will be added on Nov, 16 (night flight VIX-GIG and early morning GIG-VIX). Also flights to CNF, CPQ and CWB could be added very soon in conditions to run good connections for the international flights.

Quoting Exusair (Reply 2):
GIG has done surprisingly well in addition to SCL and GRU service. The cargo pretty much pays for the flight with passenger loads going straight to the profit margin.

Right, and probably will be even more when Delta stat the code-share with Gol to connect their pax to CNF, BSB, VIX, SSA, CPQ and even CGH (a better option for people who live in the south zone of São Paulo), it could drive profit margins to higher levels.

Regards
Felipe



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User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3802 times:

Quoting Jumbojet (Reply 1):
On the other hand, ATL to SDQ begins Dec 1 and is doing very poorly. Already downgraded from a 763 to a 757. Except for Christmas and NewYears, (which go back to the 763) the flights are mostly empty.

How would you know if they haven't even started?

Quoting Aces727 (Reply 4):
Does any one know how is Delta doing on the ATL-BOG, ATL-LIM routes?

Here are the loads for ATL-LIM and ATL-BOG for today, tomorrow, and Monday. The loads are how many seats are LEFT

ATL-BOG
16C (22) 54Y (152)

ATL-LIM
1145AM: 17C (24) 126Y (228)
453PM: 22C (36) 109Y (249)

Tomorrow:
ATL-BOG 1C (22) 28Y (152)

ATL-LIM
453PM: 25C (36) 95Y (249)

Monday:
ATL-BOG 0C (22) -24Y (143)

ATL-LIM
453PM: 30C (36) 91Y (249)



The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3781 times:
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Quoting Evan767 (Reply 6):

Numbers for LIM are not so good (looking for the 3 days giving by you), and DL uses a bigger 767, their 764 on ATL-LIM.

Anyone knows if there are any plans to use their 764's on Brazilian routes ? As they cannot introduce nowadays a new frequency, it's not a real way to increase the seats to Brazilian market ?
Also, any plans to use the 5th freedom and fly to MVD ?

Felipe



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User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3775 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 5):
Varig will probably add to it's fleet a 777-200 non-ER as well as put back to service 2 772 and 1 M11.

The 772 that there are adding is the last ex. UA bird stored in the desert  Smile



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3763 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 7):
Numbers for LIM are not so good (looking for the 3 days giving by you), and DL uses a bigger 767, their 764 on ATL-LIM.

While the pax numbers do not look good, the cargo loads should more than make that up, as cargo is the main reason DL was so fast at upgrading their daily 757 via the 763 to the 764. Just pax-wise, the 757 would still be the best plane on most days, but the 764 simply offers the superior cargo space.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 7):
Anyone knows if there are any plans to use their 764's on Brazilian routes ? As they cannot introduce nowadays a new frequency, it's not a real way to increase the seats to Brazilian market ?

Currently there are no plans to use the 764, but if the demand rises enough to justify them, be it pax numbers or (more likely) cargo demand, it could become an option.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 7):
Also, any plans to use the 5th freedom and fly to MVD ?

Didn't know that DL has 5th freedom rights from Brazil, but it might be a good option to at least have one of their 3 Brazil flights do a tag-on flight to another not-yet served airport to make better use of their planes instead of having them all sit on the ground for 14+ hours.


User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3746 times:

Good that GIG is doing fine for DL. They need profits desperately.

Those nubers for BOG and LIM are horrendous! This must be the worst week of the year for DL in BOG, as their year-round load factor is always high 70s-low 80s....



Les escribo desde el frío de mi verde altiplano.
User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3728 times:
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Quoting MD90fan (Reply 8):
The 772 that there are adding is the last ex. UA bird stored in the desert

Right. Probably will be with Varig in no more than 45 days and will be ready to start revenue service on january 2006.

Felipe



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User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4009 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3607 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Thread starter):
Any more information about DL operations to GIG? Apparently loads and yields have been very helthy, yet again undermining the "myth" that GIG is a low-yielding destination, but I assume the real test will come in March/06 when the low season starts, i.e. after New Year's eve and Carnaval!

You know the flight may actually do Ok during off season. Look at the exchange rate. The way it the US dollar is heading down, there will be a lot of leisure traffic originating in Brazil. That leisure traffic is never the very low yield we see in the North Atlantic with most roundtrips selling in the $700-$900 range. That is 7 or 8 cents a mile, which is good quality revenue for coach in longhaul flights.

A bigger question is in what condition Delta will be several months from now. The company is in turmoil.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3494 times:
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Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 9):
Didn't know that DL has 5th freedom rights from Brazil, but it might be a good option to at least have one of their 3 Brazil flights do a tag-on flight to another not-yet served airport to make better use of their planes instead of having them all sit on the ground for 14+ hours.

In fact the bilateral Brazil-US allow a lot of 5th freedom (and that's why AA flies GRU-ASU), as well as Brazilian airlines can use also the 5th freedom to continue flights to Japan and Canada among other places that i forget.
Yes , i agree that they could introduce a tag to MVD to use their planes (for example).

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 9):
Currently there are no plans to use the 764, but if the demand rises enough to justify them, be it pax numbers or (more likely) cargo demand, it could become an option.

With the exchange rate going down, probably on july 06 we will at least one 764 flying to Brazil. Also, Brazilian Exports & Imports are growing at very impressive 20% per year.

Thanks for your rush reply.

Felipe



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User currently offlineN747PA From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3377 times:

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 6):
Here are the loads for ATL-LIM and ATL-BOG for today, tomorrow, and Monday. The loads are how many seats are LEFT

FYI,Posting those numbers on a public website is grounds for termination of the employee.


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3354 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 13):
In fact the bilateral Brazil-US allow a lot of 5th freedom (and that's why AA flies GRU-ASU), as well as Brazilian airlines can use also the 5th freedom to continue flights to Japan and Canada among other places that i forget.

Cool, didn't know that. Guess it's time for DL to both increase aircraft utilization and add some currently unserved destinations, or perhaps even do GRU-EZE, since they can't add any flights there, just as an idea.


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3345 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 5):
Looking for C numbers, seems that DL take pax from the others. With 2 planes they can take 72C , now they are close to get 100C today (105C yesterday). Impressive numbers.

Indeed, number are impressive.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 5):
rumors from RG says: 3x GIG-CDG (subject to approval from CERNAI), 3x GIG-MIA (no problem on bilateral), 3x GIG-JFK, more 2x GIG-LIS, a regular GIG-MUC and more 2x GIG-FRA. Some will be seasonal , others can be turned regular.

Too optimistic the above new routes....especially for an airline in such deep problems are RG. It seems very crazy to open routes such as GIG-MUC, GIG-JFK, GIG-CDG - some of them RG has tried before and failed, notably GIG-CDG. I dont think RG will effect these routes.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 7):
Anyone knows if there are any plans to use their 764's on Brazilian routes ? As they cannot introduce nowadays a new frequency, it's not a real way to increase the seats to Brazilian market ?

With 3 daiy flights to Brazil I dont think DL needs the B764 for the Brazilian market at the moment.

Quoting Incitatus (Reply 12):
A bigger question is in what condition Delta will be several months from now. The company is in turmoil.

Correct. The recommendation, in general, is to avoid DL - you never know for sure whether your flight will acutally take off! How serious is the situation at DL? Would it be too risky to do a bookyng, say, 2 months from now?

Rgs,


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3333 times:

One interesting information is that while DL uses the B763ER to both GRU and GIG, GIG was sloted with an ex-Gulf Air B763ER with a different configuration on business class (C: 6 x 5 = 30 seats), while the two daily GRU flights B763ER get the standard DL configuration on business (C: 6 x 6 = 36 seats).

As a result, GIG gets 30 daily C seats and GRU gets 72 daily C seats!

With the good results in GIG, any chance DL could interchange one of the higher-yielding B763ERs used to GRU to GIG?

Rgs,


User currently offlineBrasuca From Brazil, joined Mar 2004, 717 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3260 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 16):
some of them RG has tried before and failed, notably GIG-CDG

VARIG did succeed in GIG-CDG. Aircraft shortage was the reason for axing this route, on behalf of other routes with this 763 used to CDG.

As for GIG-MUC, it's really odd, but there are already charter flights in this route nowadays [yesterday one MUC-GIG arrived - probably in 763]. So, VARIG would only turn it into regular. This charter might be testing demand.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3211 times:
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Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 17):
One interesting information is that while DL uses the B763ER to both GRU and GIG, GIG was sloted with an ex-Gulf Air B763ER with a different configuration on business class (C: 6 x 5 = 30 seats), while the two daily GRU flights B763ER get the standard DL configuration on business (C: 6 x 6 = 36 seats).

Hardi, the plane used on GIG-ATL is the same as GRU-ATL with 36C seats. If you take a look on the system it will show you 36C seats. During december they will use a 30C aircraft on GIG (not a smart decision IMO and it was taken before the service begins) but i think probably they will upgrade again GIG-ATL.

Quoting Brasuca (Reply 18):
VARIG did succeed in GIG-CDG. Aircraft shortage was the reason for axing this route, on behalf of other routes with this 763 used to CDG.

That's right. GIG-CDG was a success. RG drop the route due to aircraft shortage (runs with 767-300ER).

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 16):
Too optimistic the above new routes....especially for an airline in such deep problems are RG. It seems very crazy to open routes such as GIG-MUC, GIG-JFK, GIG-CDG - some of them RG has tried before and failed, notably GIG-CDG. I dont think RG will effect these routes.

Varig is the biggest airline in Rio, also see the success of FRA (RG best route) and EZE flights. The only route in which i can agree with you Hardi, it's GIG-JFK. All the others keep strong demand during the high season. MUC in fact will be started in Rio three times per week (GIG-GRU-MUC), but Varig keep a charter which has been doing very good (yesterday RG9510 takes 218 pax). Even the JFK flight was a daily-light, without a strong marketing effort from RG. Let's see the developments, the non-stop increase in Rio has been announced last week by RG president.

Felipe



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3204 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 19):
Hardi, the plane used on GIG-ATL is the same as GRU-ATL with 36C seats. If you take a look on the system it will show you 36C seats. During december they will use a 30C aircraft on GIG (not a smart decision IMO and it was taken before the service begins) but i think probably they will upgrade again GIG-ATL.

They will keep rotating the 30C ex-Gulf Air in GIG even after December and it will become more frequent after February. The whole of December is sloted with the 30C aircraft to GIG. GRU only gets the 36C configuration.

During many days in December DL is overbooked on C, so I guess they could have interchanged the a/c with one of the 36C B763s operating to GRU. But I assume they dont want to "touch" their premium market in GRU. Which makes sense.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 19):
Let's see the developments, the non-stop increase in Rio has been announced last week by RG president.

I still have my doubts, RG needs to be very conservative in any "new" flights. To be honest, RG's main task is to keep flying to its current destinations.

Rgs,


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3189 times:
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Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 20):
I still have my doubts, RG needs to be very conservative in any "new" flights. To be honest, RG's main task is to keep flying to its current destinations.

Your sentence seems to be perfect. But they are also trying to use all the fleet during the high season. Varig keep 3 widebodies on ground and probably will receive another one ex-United.
Varig need only 2 widebodies to put MIA and MAD back to normal. So they will have 2 aircrafts available without route assigned (the additional service to MIA and JFK will use the same aircrafts nowadays in use).

The question is that with 15 aircrafts on ground, and when those aircrafts could be used on the network again, RG knows they need to recover the market lost in the past. Increase the service at GRU for example, like RG president says, will put RG to compete against other airlines. At Rio, they will keep market, less competition and it's the bigest Varig's Market.

Tmrw, Varig will run a nonstop GIG-MXP (without stop at GRU, and the flight is full on F and Y, with little availability of seats on C). Varig good sources says that Varig is looking with big eyes to Rio.

Regards
Felipe



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3040 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 21):
Tmrw, Varig will run a nonstop GIG-MXP (without stop at GRU, and the flight is full on F and Y, with little availability of seats on C). Varig good sources says that Varig is looking with big eyes to Rio

Flights to MXP are always full. Is this flight in addition to the GRU-MXP? I think a 3 x week GIG-MXP would work quite well given the level of Italian investment in Rio de Janeiro over recent years. (e.g. Michelin is just expanding in tires fcatority in Rio; Italy also has huge investments in the Telecom business in Rio).

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 19):
Varig is the biggest airline in Rio, also see the success of FRA (RG best route) and EZE flights

I thought RG downgraded GIG-EZE to one-class service - but maybe because of lack of aircraft.

Going back to the Delta subject, I'm interested in more details about the ex-Gulf Air B763s in DL network. How many are them in total? Why are the configurated with 6 x 5 on business class while DL in general keeps the 6 x 6 configuration?

Rgs,


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4901 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3021 times:
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Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 22):
Going back to the Delta subject, I'm interested in more details about the ex-Gulf Air B763s in DL network. How many are them in total? Why are the configurated with 6 x 5 on business class while DL in general keeps the 6 x 6 configuration?

There are a total of 6 ex-Gulf Air 763s (ships 1501-1506) at Delta and 1 ex-Asiana 763 (originally intended for CO, then to OZ) (ship 1521; N394DL) that have the 30 Business seats configuration. The usual DL 763ERs have two emergency exits with one main boarding door in front; the ex-GF/OZ 763ERs have two main boarding doors in front (like the 757s) and one emergency exit over the wing. The space between the first and second boarding doors only allows them to fit five rows of Business seats (with the 60" pitch) and it doesn't make sense to just have one more row (to make it a total of 36 seats) by itself after the galley/2nd boarding door.


User currently offlineNeo From Brazil, joined Jan 2001, 672 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2974 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 21):
Tmrw, Varig will run a nonstop GIG-MXP (without stop at GRU, and the flight is full on F and Y, with little availability of seats on C). Varig good sources says that Varig is looking with big eyes to Rio.

I think there is a great opportunity for RG to develop their network around GIG, where they don't have too competition like in GRU. I'm not saying that RG should forget about GRU, but focus more on GIG for future intl growth.

Regarding DL, the next step should be lauching a brazilian website like AA and UA already have.

Rgs,

Neo


25 LipeGIG : Just a "test" as per RG sources. But also due to a big number of pax from Rio. I agree with you, but i don't think they will include MXP in the route
26 2travel2know : ATL-SDQ-ATL is a route for a B737-800, except for Xmas and New Year. ATL may be a better airport to connect than EWR, but still CO @ EWR offer far mo
27 Post contains links Hardiwv : Thanks for the very complete explanation on DL's 30C B763s. Very interesting. Agree. Of course, sorry for the mistake. I thought of Pirelli, based in
28 HALFA : Delta's entrance into the GIG market has already had a dramatic effect on prices to GIG. I was able to fly HNL-GIG roundtrip for $727.00+taxes and fee
29 Jrlander : Delta can and does fly to Argentina- they have 7 weekly flights from ATL-EZE. They had wanted to add another seven to go from JFK-EZE, however those
30 LipeGIG : Hi Halfa, sorry about the chopp at Rio ! Sure i will see you in the future at Rio. Yes, UA keep nowadays double daily flight GRU-IAD (we just start a
31 DAL767400ER : Flights to CPT would be impossible with anything less than ETOPS 240, which I doubt DL (or anyone?) has. With DL were to have ETOPS 207 certification
32 Hardiwv : It is important to highlight, however, that UA's daily GRU-IAD had EXCEPTIONAL results during the whole year 2005 with loads above 90% for almost eve
33 Neo : It definetly is! Take myself for example.. I'm going to LUX in April, but should stop first in CDG in the way. RG (2 daily to CGH) only offer conecti
34 LipeGIG : Hardi, the only corporates from Atlanta with operations in Brazil are UPS, Coca-Cola, Newell, Georgia-Pacific and AGCO. Coca-Cola is by far the bigge
35 2travel2know : SA flies GRU-CPT-JNB with A340, don't know what route they take since sure is outside ETOPS207. However the ETOPS Brazil-Southern Africa situation co
36 PPVRA : No CPT stop. I think it actually connects directly to BKK... or somewhere else I can't remember right now. And the A340 has no ETOPS restrictions. Ch
37 2travel2know : I remember seeing that SA had one of the daily GRU-JNB stop in CPT. Don't know if they do it anymore.
38 LipeGIG : In fact it was when RG runs a weekly frequency GIG-GRU-CPT-JNB with M11, also without ETOPS restrictions. Felipe
39 Hardiwv : Lipe, I meant business - corporations without actual office in GRU have to perform a lot of trade-related business travel; in fact, GRU attracts a lo
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DL ATL - TLV Doing Rather Well So Far? posted Wed Nov 30 2005 16:34:37 by Jumbojet
Five Water Saluts Today At ATL So Far! posted Sat Jul 30 2005 22:38:39 by DLX737200
DL 60/61 ATL-GIG In The System posted Mon May 16 2005 19:48:13 by PPVRA
DL Axes ATL-GIG And ATL-EZE posted Fri Sep 13 2002 22:47:01 by FlyPNS1
753 Orders For Boeing So Far This posted Thu Oct 12 2006 20:56:07 by LY777
Why Only 24 B777s Sold So Far This Year? posted Thu Oct 5 2006 14:10:42 by LY777
So Far, So Good For Mexico's Interjet posted Thu Sep 14 2006 09:39:26 by Juventus
DL ATL-OKC Down To One Mainline A Day posted Mon Sep 11 2006 01:42:21 by Starstream707