Juventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2 Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2927 times:
Is there anymore market left between Latin America and Madrid?
There are hundreds of flights between Latin America and MAD, and they are justify, but how many more can it support? Why can't they try Barcelona...
Aero From Germany, joined Oct 2004, 181 posts, RR: 3 Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2935 times:
BCN would be indeed a good try!
Aerolineas AR started once a week flying to BCN.
LAN and Iberia offers up to 14 frequencies together between Chile and Spain. LAN flies also out of LIM via GYE to MAD and will start EZE-MAD soon.
MAD is very well connected to LatAm.
Mario: I heard Sky would fly on its own...we will see...
Arcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2398 posts, RR: 26 Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2802 times:
SKY (H2) has made announcements many times about their international expansion. With Aerolineas del Sur now in Chilean skies, they know they have to offer better products. After all, we Chileans don't buy the "Chilean" stuff as a sale argument, we just care about product/service.
H2 was supposed to start flights to LIM at the end of the year. It's supposed to go via IQQ, which can be a very smart product: all northern inhabitants of Chile has to fly "down" to SCL to connect for many all international flights: ARI/IQQ/CJC/ANF/CPO/ESR to MIA/CUN/MAD/LIM/CCS...
So, if H2 gets an agreement with any US carrier serving LIM, all those pax would save a lot of time when flying abroad! The only problem about that is that is an strategy very easy to imitate.
I know that MIA was also in H2 plans, and I know that they were looking for fleet expansion. After all, they won't sustain an international network with 732s.
I would love to see H2 expansion, but I think Aerolineas won't make things easy at all...
Quoting Aero (Reply 3): LAN flies also out of LIM via GYE to MAD and will start EZE-MAD soon.
AFAIK it's a LAN Ecuador flight, codesharing with LP
Quoting Juventus (Reply 2): Is there anymore market left between Latin America and Madrid?
MAD/SCL is always full, and before the arrival of Air Madrid, it was very difficult to get a tkt for less than $1200, unless you made your reservation month in advance
Regards )( Arcano
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Kanebear From United States of America, joined May 2002, 953 posts, RR: 2 Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2771 times:
Correct me if I'm wrong, it seems that Madrid is to Latin America as London is to the US.
Marambio From Argentina, joined Oct 2004, 1158 posts, RR: 28 Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2728 times:
Quoting Aero (Reply 3): Aerolineas AR started once a week flying to BCN.
Small correction: Aerol�neas currently operates EZE-BCN twice weekly with A342. Loads thus far have been terrific (~95% full), so we may see a third frequency on a near future.
Saludos,
Marambio
Aerolíneas Argentinas - La Argentina que levanta vuelo.
Arcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2398 posts, RR: 26 Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2706 times:
Quoting PPVRA (Reply 10): So are you buying a Brazilian Football team tshirt for next year's World Cup?
Of course! do you know that for any international tournament here, people always say "Brazil one more time plays in Chile as local" (except when playing against Chile, obviously). There's absolutely no team in the world that we could support more gladly than Brazil...
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Pdpsol From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 999 posts, RR: 6 Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2604 times:
Quoting Avianca (Reply 17): no, AirPlusComet (the other spanish LCC long haul carrier, but far far better than NM) is part of Marsans Group.
Yes, Marsans owns 100% of AirPlus Comet [IATA:A7], not Air Madrid [IATA:NM]. Of course, Marsans also owns 92.2% of AR.
Why is A7 superior to NM? A7's long-haul equipment is comprised of ex-AR 747-287s, while NM's is all-Airbus, mostly A330-200s. I would assume those 747-287 would go mx all the time and require a lot of TLC.
Now, I have heard A7 does provide good service onboard, while NM is purely LCC no-nothing.
Which AR flights codeshared with A7 are actually operated by A7?
Is A7 assuming all of the intra-Europe flights out of MAD for AR? I know they fly MAD-LGW, MAD-CDG and, I believe, MAD-FRA. Are these dailies coordinated with the arrival of AR EZE-MAD flights?
While NM may not offer the best frequencies and service, it is wonderful to see the arrival of LCCs offering flights to MAD. Now, Brasil needs to welcome NM back to GIG and allow the sale of local fares GIG-MAD!
Avianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5858 posts, RR: 40 Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2598 times:
Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 18): Why is A7 superior to NM? A7's long-haul equipment is comprised of ex-AR 747-287s, while NM's is all-Airbus, mostly A330-200s. I would assume those 747-287 would go mx all the time and require a lot of TLC.
Now, I have heard A7 does provide good service onboard, while NM is purely LCC no-nothing.
as you mentioned A7 does provide good service (my wife used A7 this June MAD-BOG-MAD) and NM is a purely LCC + mostly delayed (ok what I heard the situation regarding delays is no better with NM)
Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 18): Is A7 assuming all of the intra-Europe flights out of MAD for AR? I know they fly MAD-LGW, MAD-CDG and, I believe, MAD-FRA. Are these dailies coordinated with the arrival of AR EZE-MAD flights?
its MAD-MUC not MAD-FRA, A7 is using for conections to Frankfurt Spanair.
LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11230 posts, RR: 61 Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2586 times:
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Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 18): While NM may not offer the best frequencies and service, it is wonderful to see the arrival of LCCs offering flights to MAD. Now, Brasil needs to welcome NM back to GIG and allow the sale of local fares GIG-MAD!
That's something not so easy. Brazilian DAC does not allow NM to sell more than 20 tickets GIG-MAD and just 3 months after allow IB to improve their 4x weekly service to daily (effective Nov 1st). Also, PU probably will ask for upgrade on MVD-GIG-MAD as soon as they have a second 767 available. With 10 (or 14) weekly service GIG-MAD, Madrid become the best served market from Rio and it will be hard to see Air Madrid back.
Felipe
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LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11230 posts, RR: 61 Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2556 times:
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Quoting Avianca (Reply 21): this shows, that NM is not welcome in GIG (brazil) why that?
Because IB made a strong lobby, so Brazilian Authorities does not allow them to sell more than 20 tickets, so it get impossible to NM to keep profitable in the route.
Now, the same DAC allow NM to run a MAD-FOR-EZE flight with full rights on FOR. Very strange.... and it takes place in the instant GIG has just received flights from Santos Dumont (the realocation from SDU to GIG of domestic flights)
Regards,
Felipe
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PPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8497 posts, RR: 42 Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2546 times:
Re: Air Madrid
This may all change (hopefully) next year, when ANAC (Agencia Nacional de Aviacao Civil) takes over DAC's job. ANAC will be under civilian control, unlike DAC.
Vincewy From Taiwan, joined Oct 2005, 767 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2465 times:
Quoting Juventus (Reply 2): Is there anymore market left between Latin America and Madrid?
There are hundreds of flights between Latin America and MAD, and they are justify, but how many more can it support? Why can't they try Barcelona
You'll be surprised there are, in fact, some cities in Latin America IB can't meet the demand, remember Mexico alone has population of nearly 100 mil, when I lived in Latin America, many people would love to travel to Europe but couldn't afford it, with exception of Brazil, IB can easily add flights to other cities if yields aren't the concerns.
MAD is also the connecting point to other cities in Europe, BCN is not (at least not perceived to be). Another interesting observation, although Chile only has fraction of population vs Argentina/Brazil, the % of middle class is much higher, resulting air traffics almost equaling Argentina, imagine the market size if Mexico, Brazil, Colombia, and Argentina all prosper, unlike Americans, most love to travel abroad.
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