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User currently offlineThegooddoctor From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 523 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2815 times:

Speaking of unfortunate experiences with TSA...

Last summer I went through Security at LGA. There was no traffic at the FC security line, and I rushed to empty my pockets, remove my shoes, etc. After going through the metal detector I realized my phone was still in my pocket. I have a bad habit of forgetting my phone and have set off more than a couple metal detectors. Realizing that the metal detectors had not gone off, I told the TSA agent who was standing on the other side. He looked at me a little funny, then tested the metal detector I had just passed through. When nothing happened, he looked up at the top and flipped the power switch on... I was concerned that I had just become "that guy" who caused the terminal to be evacuated and rescreened, delaying a hundred flights, etc. However, I was horrified when he just told me to proceed to my gate.

I have no idea if they normally turn the detectors on/off during the day, but it concerned me that at least for some period of time people had been entering a high profile airport through a metal detector that wasn't on. The worst case senario was that this had been occuring all day (it was mid afternoon at this point).

Although it made me happy not to be delayed because of a rescreening process, and knowing that the chance of the event being intentional or people with the intention of commiting a terrorist act on my flight was small, the fact that I knew I could be getting on a plane with unscreened people did make me think twice.


The GoodDoctor
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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2806 times:

Ahhh, my favorite subject . . . the losers that are the TSA. The Morons that are our protectors. The idiots that can't identify a Clarinet . . . (that one's personal).

So, not that thiks escapade is behind you, have you written anyone? Did you alert the TSA? Did you do anything except post here?

You need to write your Congressperson, your Senator, your State Legislators, the Airport Police, the TSA, the President, the Secretary of Homeland Security. Every Damn body. Oh, don't be foolish enough to put your name on the letter - but be sure to state the reason your NOT revealing your name - you don't want ramifications later . . . .

But make it public - put it in the paper . . . if you simply tell A-Net . . . what's the use. You get an anonymous user like me - that despises the TSA with every breath I take - providing sympathy and that's the end of it . . .

How about it TSA morons . . . anyone want to respond to this?


I asked this question in another thread and got no answer?


TSA-THOUSANDS STANDING AROUND-USELESS-MORONS


User currently offlineLoisencroach From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 373 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2787 times:

I think that TSA is a bunch of idiots. You, gooddoctor, are an idiot, too.

Thanks for sharing your experiences with security discrepancies to the world. It's not like any Muslim extremist in the Biqa' Valley has access to the internet and airliners.net.

So, please....go on, tell us how easy it is to infiltrate the sterile side of an airport. You moron. You're no smarter than the TSA.

You need to do what ANCFlyer said....write to the DHS. Write to your Congressman. But don't put it on the internet.


User currently offlineFlypdx From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 636 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2766 times:

I do have to say that the TSA is far better than the outsourced people working the airports before. They couldn't speak english, didn't give a darn about their job, etc. That is how however many hijackers made it on board planes. Now I am not saying that the TSA is great, or really good for that matter, but I do believe that it is an improvement from what there was before. Even though they may be a pain at times, slow at times, and appear to be "idiots" at times, at least they are doing their job. I have never had an experience like this at any airport I've gone through. All airports I've gone through, the TSA has been professional and appeared competent.

User currently offlineFLAIRPORT From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2758 times:

speaking of Cell Phones at LGA. My flight was the last flight of the night out of LGA...so I ran to the WHSmith, the only WHSmith open was outside of security. So I had to go back through, but nobody was in line since my flight was about to board. The mechine went off I realized I had my phone in my pocket...they didn't mind...accidents happen, they let me put my phone on the belt and head back. It would be interesting to see what would happen if i had all my bags with me, but I guess since they figured I had gone through already and only had the WHSmith bag (WHSmith is right outside of securty at concourse A) they didnt have to give me extra screening.

In 18 years of my life, still the only time i've ever set off the detector!


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2757 times:

Quoting Loisencroach (Reply 2):

How is what Thedoc said a threat to security? He's exposing a TSA screw-up, hopefully now said screw-up will be fixed pending a letter to the TSA, thereby eliminating the possibility for said screw-ups and security breaches in the future.

Quoting Flypdx (Reply 3):
I do have to say that the TSA is far better than the outsourced people working the airports before. They couldn't speak english, didn't give a darn about their job, etc.

You do know that the government hired back all the old privatized security guards to run the checkpoints, right?


User currently offlineYYZatcboy From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1083 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2744 times:
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Quoting Loisencroach (Reply 2):
I think that TSA is a bunch of idiots. You, gooddoctor, are an idiot, too.

Thanks for sharing your experiences with security discrepancies to the world. It's not like any Muslim extremist in the Biqa' Valley has access to the internet and airliners.net.

So, please....go on, tell us how easy it is to infiltrate the sterile side of an airport. You moron. You're no smarter than the TSA.

You need to do what ANCFlyer said....write to the DHS. Write to your Congressman. But don't put it on the internet.

Now lets get one thing straight here buddy. If it is really that easy to infiltrate the sterile side of an airport and the TSA guy did NOTHING about it, who is the bigger idiot? The TSA guy, or the guy who writes about it afterward, and probably will try his best to make sure that it never happens again. Who cares who has internet access. I doubt anyone learned anything new today ( the TSA does not appear to give a $hit, in case you need it spelled out for you). If I were you I would climb off your High horse and write a letter to someone about it too. Don't just sit there and complain that someone had an experience and wrote about it. Get a life man. ( By the way I would not be making religious Intolerant statements. It is bad form and shows you have no class. It is this sort of attitude that gives the rest of your country a bad reputation.) here's YOUR sign.

And Now I have gone and done what I most hate people doing on this board.

  

[Edited 2005-11-13 06:50:11]


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User currently offlineTUNisia From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1844 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2744 times:

http://www.ioerror.us/2005/10/15/pla...eck-in-airline-screening-for-kids/

worth a laugh



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User currently offlineFlypdx From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 636 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2739 times:

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 5):
You do know that the government hired back all the old privatized security guards to run the checkpoints, right?

I believe that your statement is untrue. They did not hire back ALL of the old employees. They also provided training that they probably had not had before. I don't think any of us know the exact inner workings of the TSA, unless someone happens to work for them. There are still holes, but I just thought I'd point out that there have been some improvements made.


User currently offlineYYZatcboy From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1083 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2735 times:
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That was great! lol. I bet they can find anything with that big magnifying glass!

[Edited 2005-11-13 06:50:42]


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User currently offlineThegooddoctor From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 523 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2712 times:

Quoting Loisencroach (Reply 2):
I think that TSA is a bunch of idiots. You, gooddoctor, are an idiot, too.

Thanks for sharing your experiences with security discrepancies to the world. It's not like any Muslim extremist in the Biqa' Valley has access to the internet and airliners.net.

Hmm. I think the only response I will give to this is to state that I have told two TSA officials at different stations (one was a supervisor at my home airport - PHX). Therefore I'm not trying to use the forum as a substitute for appropriate channels of reporting. It is merely an interesting story. As far as telling terrorists about a metal detector that was off a year ago, I'm not sure there is a lot they can use there...

Finally, the issue at hand was the attitude of the TSA agent(s) at LGA that I alerted to the problem. There was no concern that 1) the metal detector may have been turned off intentionally to let someone through and 2) the passengers should be rescreened (in the event that it was just an oversight).



The GoodDoctor
User currently offlineTurnit56N From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2703 times:

My friends, any serious terrorist cell knows far more about TSA security and screening than anyone on this board. I doubt that a member of the general public can tell them anything they don't know.

My two cents are done.


User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5100 posts, RR: 55
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2700 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
you don't want ramifications later . . . .

= That's sad. Where are we ... Soviet Union?

Quoting Flypdx (Reply 3):
They couldn't speak english,

= So much hate. So now if something terrible happens, what would be the excuse ... I don't know ... if speaking English is correlated to your abilities as a screener. Geez, those damn Israelis managed to pull that off then pretty well  Wink ...

Cheers,
A.



Live, and let live.
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2694 times:

Quoting Flypdx (Reply 3):
I do have to say that the TSA is far better than the outsourced people working the airports before. They couldn't speak english, didn't give a darn about their job, etc.

Well, now they speak english and don't KNOW their jobs . . . . lose/lose.

Quoting Flypdx (Reply 3):
All airports I've gone through, the TSA has been professional and appeared competent.

You need to get out more.

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 14):
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
you don't want ramifications later . . . .

= That's sad. Where are we ... Soviet Union?

Nope. Not even close . . .

Not even close . . . . the TSA, as f(*#edup as they are, have never summarily executed anyone . . .


User currently offlineTurnit56N From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2671 times:

I do have to say that except in rare instances, I've thought the TSA screeners were also professional and alert.

User currently offlineCessna172RG From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2634 times:

The one in CVG was especially alert...the one with down's syndrome in diapers wearing the "Jesus Saves" keychain laynard.


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User currently offlineLoisencroach From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 373 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2622 times:

In hindsight, I overreacted A LITTLE. I apologize to gooddoctor for calling you a moron and an idiot. It wasn't necessary or professional.

I still don't think anybody should post info like that on the internet, no matter how obsolete or trivial they think the information is. What you think is "not a big deal" could be a huge bit of intelligence to the wrong person. Especially at a port like LGA.

"Muslim extremist" is not an insensitive term, any more than "Catholic extremist". Turn off your CNN and pick up Robert Baer's latest release.

YYCatcboy...."listen hear buddy"....worry about your own domestic issues.


User currently offlineSymphonik From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2589 times:

Loisencroach

 rotfl 

What a complete assclown!

Do you honestly, honestly think that terrorists are reading A.net for tips on how to beat TSA? You think they're sitting here going, "Wow! I had no idea that they left the metal detectors off for five minutes once! Now we can attack!", having never scoped out an airport or sent people through the whole process?

Get real! Jebus! They have one chance in their miserable existences to kill us (since, alas, they tend to be suicide attackers) — they're going to be a lot more prepared than a friggin' forum post will let them be!

 rotfl 


User currently offlineThegooddoctor From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 523 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2567 times:

Quoting Loisencroach (Reply 18):
In hindsight, I overreacted A LITTLE. I apologize to gooddoctor for calling you a moron and an idiot. It wasn't necessary or professional.

Apology accepted.

Quoting Loisencroach (Reply 18):
I still don't think anybody should post info like that on the internet, no matter how obsolete or trivial they think the information is. What you think is "not a big deal" could be a huge bit of intelligence to the wrong person. Especially at a port like LGA.

True, but as has been stated, those who are perpetrating acts of terrorism (at least those that occured 9/11) had very sophisticated knowledge about Aviation as well as airport security. Information of the sort contained in my anecdote could be found by reading any of the news stories that have been published globally about similar incidents (the newsworthy event being, of course, the massive delays that were caused in rescreening pax).
.



The GoodDoctor
User currently offlineMD80fanatic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2660 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2524 times:

Many of the TSA employees came from Border Patrol. The pay is much better and they no longer get shot at. Of course...we have now left our borders wide open and this is where our government is saying now that terrorists will enter the country, instead of international airports.

Since staffing the areas of lower terror risk (airports) with agents who previously worked in areas of higher terror risk (the border), it has become painully clear the the government has everything under control.  Yeah sure


User currently offlineLoisencroach From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 373 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2515 times:

Quoting Symphonik (Reply 19):

I don't think you know anything about Civil Aviation Security. I think the majority of your time is spent switching between KSJO and some techno station while stuck on 280. The reason I know this is because you used the word "assclown". Who says that anymore?

One more thing to point out. I read the initial thread too fast to see that the incident took place last summer, so, again I apologize for overreacting, gooddoctor. Part of my job is to look around the airport and keep an eye out for unattended baggage and suspicious activity. That, coupled with the fact that I am reading some pretty heavy sh*t in my Aviation Security class has made me somewhat of a paranoid. But I'm not going to be complacent and "get over it".

But, I still think people should report TSA discrepancies through the appropriate channels, because, YES, I do believe that people in terrorist organizations read A-net. Assclown.

[Edited 2005-11-13 14:17:36]

User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2475 times:

This sort of stuff dates back to when these screeners were employees of contracted companies (A good number of the TSA screeners previously worked for the contractors that previously handled the security screening process). I was flying out of BOS a little more than 5 years ago. I had gone through the security to get onto DL's concourse at the time to check in for my flight (I was on a non-rev daytrip, so no bags to check in). When I went through the detector, I set it off (belt buckle). I go to check in and then go to the nearest newsstand to get a magazine (which was just outside of the security checkpoint for that terminal). I go back through the same metal detector I had gone through maybe 15 minutes earlier and didn't have it go off (I hadn't taken my belt off either). At the time, I didn't think much about it. Now on and after 9/11/01, that incident reflected in my mind greatly.

User currently offlineSymphonik From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2464 times:

Quoting Loisencroach (Reply 22):
I don't think you know anything about Civil Aviation Security. I think the majority of your time is spent switching between KSJO and some techno station while stuck on 280. The reason I know this is because you used the word "assclown". Who says that anymore?

Wow. That is a stretch of logic there. Deducing my level of knowledge from a word in a post... you've got nothing, do you? I think my term for you was pretty apropos.

I stand by my original stance, which is that you must not know anything about civil aviation security (none of that needs to be capitalized). This post would not provide any terrorist organization with any information beyond what they already know or can learn through passive observation at an airport. That is where we need your sharp eyes, Loisencroach, not in all these bits and bytes!

Anyway—I listen to XM.  Wink


User currently offlineYYZatcboy From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1083 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2442 times:
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Quoting Loisencroach (Reply 16):
In hindsight, I overreacted A LITTLE. I apologize to gooddoctor for calling you a moron and an idiot. It wasn't necessary or professional.

I also must apologise. I over reacted as well. I am not sure about the domestic issues that you refer to however.



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User currently offlineAaway From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1523 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2405 times:

Hope you all don't mind if I take liberties here. The title of this thread  mischievous  reminded me of a story an acquaintence relayed to me recently.

He's employed by TSA at LAX, working T-5. And, to put it kindly, TSA does attract quite a menagerie of folks. Anyway, he's inside the TSA office preparing for his shift. There are other screeners and admin staff there as well busily performing various duties.

Suddenly, the clatter of keyboards and the cellphone chatter come to an abrupt halt. Seems a 'co-worker' walked in to the office a bit in a rush to avoid being late. Just so happens she was wearing a see through top which displayed a pair of DD's.

Talk about TSA and poor screening!  Smile



With a choice between changing one's mind & proving there's no need to do so, most everyone gets busy on the proof.
25 Abrelosojos : = Curious. What sort of "very sophisticated knowledge" did they really possess? -A.
26 Post contains images Thegooddoctor : Well, for starters, they had some pretty specific knowledge about the 757 and 767, including familiarity with the avionics as well as the knowledge n
27 Abrelosojos : = I agree that they required training. But this is something anyone can get going to an aviation school and observing airport security. I guess I was
28 Thegooddoctor : Agreed! However, I don't the two things I said were mutually exclusive. The fact that they could find the information easily does not necessarily mea
29 UALPHLCS : This is just the kind of stupid thinking that gets us the TSA. Do you really think that terrorists now have the KEY to TSA screening becasue the good
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