747-4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1187 times:
I am flying Olympic B-class JFK-ATH on their A340-300 this fall. I understand that their B-class is "so-so" at best in the old 747's, but what about the new 340's? HAs anyone flown B-class on an Olympic 340 lately? Any thoughts?
A330 From Belgium, joined May 1999, 649 posts, RR: 8 Reply 3, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1094 times:
I heard it was quite good, all the normal amenities like Inflight Entertainment systems, good seat-pitch (I believe around 50inch.) and mediciore service (the Greek aren't the most hospitable people in the world, from my experience, but overall a good product.
747-4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1084 times:
Now that OA has outlawed smoking on it's USA flights I believe you will start to see a shift in public opinion about OA> That, along with the new A340's will certainly change perception. The Three biggest complaints were always, 1.Smell, 2. Service and 3.Fleet age, so 2 out of 3 aint bad!! Especially since I got a business class ticket for only $300 more than a Delta coach fare...yeeeehaaaaa bring on the big seats baby, I'm goin' ta Greece!!!! (Honeymoon actually - Santorini is final destination...)
Turbulence From Spain, joined Nov 1999, 963 posts, RR: 24 Reply 5, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1081 times:
Do not agree at all!!!
It is true that maybe Greeks have a speciality of their own, the "Olympic Strikes", that have lead the Army's trucks, for example, to cover the metropolitan bus lines, forcin elder women to climb the back scales up to the load platform. But you cannot say they are not hospitable. You maybe mean that the service on board might not be perfect, but hospitality and warmth in the personal contact is high-level. I have flown almost fifty times with them in the last eight years, and I can tell you only about one (yes, one = 1) case where an OA f/a has not been polite to me. And, for business class, I can guarantee that they receive you on board almost making reverences. I never paid businees fares, but I have been upgraded quite a few times due to different reasons, so I know what I am talking about.
You won't be disappointed. And after that flight, you'll change your nickname to OA340-4ever.
Hpa318 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 124 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1061 times:
I flew OA in may from ATH-CDG B737-400the worst flight I ever had in Business classMy mom and I were in seats 3DF, which were smoking and the only thing left when we checked in. Well I thought it wouldnt be that bad. I was appauled when as soon as we took off the people if front of us started smoking then the two guys beside us started, that was 4 people smoking at once, then two guys in 2AC which were OA employees went to the cockpit, a few minutes one guy came out smoking, I peeped into the cockpit and saw smoke. It was so disgusting. I couldnt even breath let alone try to eat. My mom felt short of breath, so I decided to talk to a F/A, to my surprise she was sitting at her jump seat with the curtains closed puffing away.I told her that I was disgusted with the smoking policy, the entire plane looked like a cheap bar.She laughed and kept reading her book. I swore never to fly that poor excuse of an airline ever again. I wrote to them as soon as I got home, and yet to hear from them. At least Im glad to hear of the smoking ban on US flights. That would be the icing on the wedding cake...11 hours of second hand smoke!!!!!!
OA269 From Greece, joined Nov 1999, 140 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1047 times:
I've flown with OA's A340-300 three times in route 269 (Athens-London Heathrow).The aircraft is veeery good with enough space to move and PTVs,service excellent as always (from the meal and f/a help till the entertainment program which was in full operation = 16 music channels & 8 different movies) and of course the flight crew who always do their best.
As for the problem that seemed to caused 2 A340 engines to be replaced I don't find it serious because I trust Olympic's technical department.Besides the route to the US is the most important for Olympic and I think they're doing their best.The only "problem" is that the trip may be a bit longer with the A340 than with the B747 (plus 1 hour but I'm not sure).
I like this aircraft a lot although Boeing makes better planes (I'm not a fan of either Boeing or Airbus) but it's a very good buy for Olympic because of its present financial situation.I believe that A340-600 (with 100 more seats) whould be the perfect replacement for OA's B747.I would only like to fly this plane in First Class where seats turn into beds.
Cedarjet From United Kingdom, joined exactly 14 years ago today! , 7710 posts, RR: 55 Reply 8, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1038 times:
Oh god, this smoking debate again! Hpa318, just cos you're not a smoker, you obviously see it as some kind of personality defect (actually, it kind of is...but anyway) - in some countries, people like to smoke and Greece is one of them (my household is another). I may be wildly paranoid, but aren't you really saying, Look how superior I am, and in my superior country, all this smoking would never be allowed! Aren't we great?
I'm not surprised the flight attendent laughed.
fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
OA269 From Greece, joined Nov 1999, 140 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1025 times:
Rumours say that Olympic plans to purchase 2 more A340 but as far as I know they haven't been ordered yet.So why these not be the A340-600 ?
By the way what's your opinion about -600 ? RR engines might be better than CFM56 but not perfect.They have problems too.
Virgin744 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 903 posts, RR: 5 Reply 12, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 1003 times:
I think you may have been a little unfair to hpa318.
It has nothing to do with being "from a superior country & being superior". Its a matter of health & safety as well as common sense.
I have flown on Turkish Airlines and they had a No Smoking Policy, now are you trying to tell me that Greeks smoke more than Turks? Or its accepted more as a way of life there than in Turkey or say Italy.It seems to be a part of their body, not life. They have fags stuck to their lips so a country should not play any part in smoking or non smoking. We all know that 90% of people on this forum & passengers would agree that smoking should be banned from flights & talk about setting a bad example...Having a smoke-filled cockpit would certainly put me off flying that airline.
BTW, the A340 is a great plane & I'm sure the business class & the service would be great.
Turbulence From Spain, joined Nov 1999, 963 posts, RR: 24 Reply 13, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 1001 times:
Oh, yes, that was a detail I had forgot about.
While Hpa318 just stated what happened to him and his mom and nothing else, you wrote I-don't-know-what about superior or not. I can't even imagine from any word of him say anything like this.
Yes, they are very very undisciplinated. And the problem is not (only) of the passengers: the problem starts in the F/As themselves. I've flown in an airplane FULL of greeks (an organized group of 75 people + the occasionals) in a 100 seater of Iberia, and NOBODY was smoking. (although they tried to. But the F/As stopped them immediately and nobody dared again). It is the same in the taxiway after the landing. The aircraft is still on the runway and they start to stand up, pick their hand luggage and so. I have flown for several years between BCN and ATH in different companies, and I have seen that when they are in IB's or in AZ's or in KM's or in LH's airplanes they tend to do the same, but F/As do not allow them, while on board OA nobody cares...
I would not say anything impossible, but I guess that one hour difference in a trip that shouldn't exceed about 3hrs30 is a little bit too much... I do not know how much does a LHR-or-LGW-to-ATH flight lasts, but let's say that if it takes 3h30 at 900 kms/h, one more hour, meaning 4hrs30, would mean that the plane is flying at... 600 kms/h!!!. Even in a mUUUch longer one, let's say about 5 hours at 900 kms/h, would be 750 kms/h if flown in 6 hours instead. Some figures do not match...
Of course I am talking about calm wind and true indicated airspeed. If we translate it into ground speed, it could be possible if there were a very strong wind against the plane. But this has lees to do with the bad luck than with the airplane type itself. My experience was ATH-MAD in 4hrs10, when the usual is 3hrs10. Yes: one hour more. But it was due to strong wind. In both cases the aircraft was the same: OAL A300-B4
YES IT IS TRUE:
Olympic Airways has a smoker's policy, meaning that approximately 1/3rd of the back of the airplane are smokers' seats.
It is maybe true that this is not enough since the smoking part of the Greek population is not 33,333%, but some closer to 99,999%... (My ex-wife among them) (She is greek)
And it is true that I have never even tried one only cigarette.
Finally, it is also true that my ex-wife complained about having had to fly eight hours (BCN-ATL, in Delta) without smoking.
But it is also true that a greek friend of hers that had flown ATH-JFK in an OAL-B747 answered that she, being a smoker, would have preferred to fly 11 hrs to JFK in a non-smoking flight rather than in an OA flight, because of the "smoking jungle's law" imperating (especially on board long haul) Olympic flights.
But, for the rest, and if you do not mind too much about smoke, I assure you that you are going to enjoy both the airplane and the service warmth.
OA269 From Greece, joined Nov 1999, 140 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 991 times:
I'm tired of all these smoking argument.Besides as Turbulence said 1/3 at the back of the plane is for smokers.If you've traveled with OA you should know that you're asked if you want a smoking or non-smoking seat.OA tries to make a non-smoking policy (flights to Cyprus are already non-smoking) but it's not easy since a majority of Greek people use to smoke.Since you all agree that, besides smoking matter, OA is a very good airline why stucking in such a small matter ? Be patient for a few months and you'll be able to admire the new interrior in all OA's aircrafts too.
As for the A340 Turbulence the flight Ath-Lhr lasts 3h that is 30min less than with normal A300-600 and you can have all entertainment program and different meal like you were in Ath-Bos.The flight to Boston is a bit longer due to engine which is not at 100% power but as I said I'm not sure.Besides if a trip with A340 lasts longer it can't happen only with OA but with any company which owns A340.
LH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 55 Reply 15, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 986 times:
After your 'Pissed At Boeing' thread, I'm not surprised to see you post this.
That was the most idiotic post I've ever seen. Why is Hpa318 "superior"? Because he likes being able to breathe clean, albeit, recycled air? Or because he doesn't need to be sick because he is surrounded by people who like smoking?>:-(
IMO, smokers are the most selfish people, feeding their addictions at the discomfort and hazard of others.
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