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Will Avianca Get Another B.767-300?  
User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 41
Posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3861 times:

Hi all,

just checked some random flights at avianca.com and noticed that at least at some days EZE will be operated by the 767-300 any informations if they will get new B767-300? also noticed scheduled flights with the 767-300 to LIM.

because they are only operating scheduled to CCS and JFK the B767-300.

regards
Avianca

[Edited 2005-11-13 21:10:17]


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User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3840 times:

Quoting Avianca (Thread starter):
also noticed scheduled flights with the 767-300 to LIM.

LIM is being served with the 767-300ER ages ago, ever since the 2nd aircraft was added.

Quoting Avianca (Thread starter):
because they are only operating scheduled to CCS and JFK the B767-300.

No. AV serves 4 destinations regularly with 763: MIA, LIM, JFK and CCS.

The aircraft are sometimes deployed to other additional cities such as GRU or EZE.




SOUTHAMERICA


User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2569 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3824 times:

Indeed, AV has 2 763s operating at the moment, plus 4 762s.

In a recent interview with RCN radio, quoted in El Tiempo newspaper, Avianca's newly made Colombian national, Germán Efromovich, announced investments in the country in the oil sector, but also mentioned the 10 F100s that AV will be starting to receive shortly.

Interestingly, Mr Efromovich seems to have linked the delivery of these new planes to the opening of Los Angeles and Barcelona (Spain) as new routes, (as well as new ones that Oceanair hopes to serve from different points in Brazil to BOG)

Indeed, respected fellow poster AV757 had mentioned that AV wanted to serve BOG-CTG-BCN. It is good to see that LAX appears to be back on Mr Efromovich's cards.
As we know, the F100s are no good for the new routes, but perhaps some redeployment is possible if enough F50s stay.. I mean, some F100s displacing some MD83s that could in turn displace 757s altogether from UIO, CCS, some domestic runs and even MIA from MDE (doubling of this frequency might be a possibility), in such a way that the 757/767s could be utilised in the new medium and long haul routes that are being programmed.

and was forgetting the link.. http://eltiempo.terra.com.co/economi...LO-WEB-_NOTA_INTERIOR-2604890.html

[Edited 2005-11-14 00:14:11]

User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 41
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3810 times:

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 1):
The aircraft are sometimes deployed to other additional cities such as GRU or EZE.

yes sometimes, but its scheduled 6 months before with the B767-300, so not ad-hoc due high demand.

regards
Avianca

[Edited 2005-11-14 00:22:37]


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User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2569 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3781 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 3):
yes sometimes, but its scheduled 6 months before with the B767-300, so not ad-hoc due high demand.

Indeed, for what I noticed the 763 seems to be scheduled on some Fridays, the rest a mix of 757 and 762.
I also noticed that SCL seems to be all 762.. for January when I checked anyway. So the scheduling is more complex now than we thought.


User currently offlineAV757 From Colombia, joined Apr 2004, 662 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3747 times:

Also the 767-300 flew six times on the BOG-BAQ-MAD-BOG during the last two weeks of October carrying flowers plus the 210 passengers.

The Fokker 100's are all going to be flown by SAM, none will carry the Avianca titles, they will replace the Fokker 50's and MD-83's on the BGA, PSO, CUC, VUP, RHC. Some of the shuttle flights (puente aereo) to CLO, MDE, CTG, BAQ, SMR. And new flights to ADZ from CLO, MDE, CTG and BAQ.

It was finally established that they will have 97 seats installed a Y8/C89 configuration and that the first crews are receiving their flight training simulator at AA Dallas at the moment and should be ready by the first week of December.

There is a rumor that they are negotiating a wet lease of a B767-300 for the Christmas season, but so far nothing is confirmed on that.

Also flight attendants and all of the ground personnel at airports are now wearing their new uniforms as of November 2 of this year.

AV757


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 41
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3687 times:

Quoting AV757 (Reply 5):
And new flights to ADZ from CLO, MDE, CTG and BAQ.

great to hear that, it was a matter of time AV/MM is reentering the ADZ market from those citys. (Actually MDE was served 2 x weekly or)

regards
Avianca



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User currently offlineAV757 From Colombia, joined Apr 2004, 662 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3645 times:

ADZ was served daily by Sam when they had their 727-100/200's from CLO, MDE, CTG, BAQ and in 2 to 3 weekly flights from BGA, CUC, PEI, SMR.

There is still no news on what registrations the Fokker 50´s or 100's will have, Colombian HK or Brazil PP or PR.

AV757


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 41
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3620 times:

Quoting AV757 (Reply 7):
ADZ was served daily by Sam when they had their 727-100/200's from CLO, MDE, CTG, BAQ and in 2 to 3 weekly flights from BGA, CUC, PEI, SMR.

I can good remember this good old times... It was a joke when AV/MM transfered all ADZ flights to BOG...at least they started some time ago the 2 or 3 weekly flights from MDE again, but with horrible flight times.

regards
Avianca



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User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2569 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3594 times:

Quoting AV757 (Reply 5):
There is a rumor that they are negotiating a wet lease of a B767-300 for the Christmas season, but so far nothing is confirmed on that.

Any word as to where this 763 might come from, if indeed it is being wet leased? It is only a month until the busy season starts, and thay have posted their schedule, so they are leaving it a bit late if it has not been arranged.


User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3583 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 8):
I can good remember this good old times... It was a joke when AV/MM transfered all ADZ flights to BOG...at least they started some time ago the 2 or 3 weekly flights from MDE again, but with horrible flight times

The flights are from CLO, not MDE.

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 2):
and even MIA from MDE (doubling of this frequency might be a possibility), in such a way that the 757/767s could be utilised in the new medium and long haul routes that are being programmed.

The MD-83 would never make it from MDE to MIA with no payload restrictions, plus it could not carry the cargo that the 757 takes.

I actually think AV will get a 6th 757 before another 767.


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 41
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3560 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 10):
The flights are from CLO, not MDE.

recheck your sources... AV is offering flights from MDE to ADZ Nonstop since months again.

The flight from CLO is operated by MM and it is 1Stop

regards
Avianca



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User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3552 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 11):
recheck your sources... AV is offering flights from MDE to ADZ Nonstop since months again.

The flight from CLO is operated by MM and it is 1Stop

No! The non-stop flight by AV departs CLO at midnight 3x a week! MDE does NOT have non-stop flights, double checked a whole week on avianca.com and nothing appeared, all flights connect through BOG or CLO.


User currently offlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2393 posts, RR: 26
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3552 times:

Quoting AV757 (Reply 5):
The Fokker 100's are all going to be flown by SAM, none will carry the Avianca titles

Any word of what kind of livery will SAM have?



I miss ACES, I am proud of AVIANCA & I am loyal to AMERICAN
User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 41
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3544 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 12):
MDE does NOT have non-stop flights, double checked a whole week on avianca.com

so recheck what route flight numbers AV-9782 and AV-9783 are operating.

AV operates MDE-ADZ nonstop flights!!!!! Call Avianca they will tell you.



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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 41
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3543 times:

for example from flight tracker on Avianca.com

AV-9783 / San Andres - Gustavo Rojas Pinilla 15. Nov 22:45
Medellin - Jose Maria Cordova 16. Nov 00:35
Avianca M83 Por Itenerario.

cheers



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User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3520 times:

If you check AV9780 and 9781 you will see MD-83 flights CLO-ADZ-CLO.

User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 41
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3494 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 16):
If you check AV9780 and 9781 you will see MD-83 flights CLO-ADZ-CLO.

what has this to do with AV flights from MDE to ADZ?

Could you remember what you posted? if not look

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 12):
MDE does NOT have non-stop flights



Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 16):
If you check AV9780 and 9781 you will see MD-83 flights CLO-ADZ-CLO.

yes AV9780 and 9781 are CLO-ADZ-CLO but it leaves ADZ at midnight and not CLO as you mentioned before.

regards
Avianca

[Edited 2005-11-15 12:29:45]


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User currently offlineAV757 From Colombia, joined Apr 2004, 662 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3479 times:

So far the Avianca new red and white livery is going to be painted on the Fokker 100's. The only change is the name of SAM painted on the fuselage to replace the AV titles like the Dornier of Vipsa Ecuador.

AV757


User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3471 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 11):
The flight from CLO is operated by MM and it is 1Stop



Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 12):
MDE does NOT have non-stop flights

Guess we were BOTH wrong.

With the arrival of the F100, will routes such as BOG-EJA (maybe willbe kept with the Fokker-50s that remain), CLO-TCO and CLO-PSO be upgraded or will AV quit those markets???


User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2569 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3468 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 10):
Quoting Summa767 (Reply 2):
and even MIA from MDE (doubling of this frequency might be a possibility), in such a way that the 757/767s could be utilised in the new medium and long haul routes that are being programmed.

The MD-83 would never make it from MDE to MIA with no payload restrictions, plus it could not carry the cargo that the 757 takes.

No one doubts that a 757 has more cargo capacity, but MD83s have been used on the MDE-MIA run before, so it is not beyond the realms of the imagination to put that type again, especially if the route went twice daily (as it has been in the past)


User currently offlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2393 posts, RR: 26
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3445 times:

Quoting AV757 (Reply 18):
So far the Avianca new red and white livery is going to be painted on the Fokker 100's. The only change is the name of SAM painted on the fuselage to replace the AV titles like the Dornier of Vipsa Ecuador.

That's what I thought. Thank you Eduardo.



I miss ACES, I am proud of AVIANCA & I am loyal to AMERICAN
User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3433 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 19):
Guess we were BOTH wrong.

No, you're wrong, but you're not to blame because the MDE-ADZ flight sometimes doesn't appear in schedules.

But it is operating, and nonstop. I went to the airport last week to pick up my father who was inbound from BOG on flight AV9336 operated by MD-83 EI-CER. After arrival the aircraft was prepared for the MDE-ADZ flight and passegers were already waiting at gate 10.

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 20):
No one doubts that a 757 has more cargo capacity, but MD83s have been used on the MDE-MIA run before

You're right. But the MD-83 have operated MDE-MIA in extremely slow travelling periods, almost always around April-May or this time of the year, never in peak-season when the even the 757 barely makes it out of MDE.

The MD-83s can sure operate MDE-MIA nonstop, but necessarily restricted to less than 100 passengers and low amount of cargo, otherwise a stop in CTG or BAQ is in order, and, in such case, AV would simply let their passengers flip to AA.

MDE-MIA, in my opinion, is out of question for permanent year-round MD-83 service. Maybe off-season.




SOUTHAMERICA

[Edited 2005-11-15 19:25:22]

User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 41
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3405 times:

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 22):
But it is operating, and nonstop.

any information when AV reintroduced the flights? because when I was last time in MDE nearly 20 months ago they hadnt the flights, but this year I checked for my parents the schedule of AV from MDE-ADZ and noticed that they reintroduced the flights...

regards
Avianca



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User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3391 times:

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 22):
No, you're wrong, but you're not to blame because the MDE-ADZ flight sometimes doesn't appear in schedules.

Hello, he said there were no non-stop, Av operated flights AT ALL from CLO to ADZ.

Butno one has responded my question, what will happen to the stations that don´t have the demand or can´t take an F100??? (excluding MZL we all know there are some 50s staying for that).


User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 25, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3367 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 23):
any information when AV reintroduced the flights?

Both AV's MDE-ADZ and CLO-ADZ flights were introduced this past June, prior to the start of the peak mid-year season. They operated under 2 and 3 weekly frequencies respectively and towards midnight, right after the last shuttle flight from BOG had arrived in CLO/MDE.

Now AV, through sister company SAM has decided to debut in the active CLO-CTG-ADZ market, competing head-to-head with AeroRepublica who has been alone in the route for quite a while now. It is clear that neither ADZ nor CTG could support a flight to CLO on their own and profitably, but combined the numbers add up for a signficant passenger flow.

AV will now serve 6 domestic destinations from CLO: BOG, MDE, CTG, ADZ, TCO and PSO.

AV introduces one more station from CTG. They'll serve CTG from BOG [8 daily] MDE [3 daily] and CLO-ADZ [each with 1 daily].

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 24):
he said there were no non-stop, Av operated flights AT ALL from CLO to ADZ.

Whatever. The point is that you were pretty sure that AV didn't operate MDE-ADZ, and they do, with 2 weekly flights just as Avianca initially said.



SOUTHAMERICA


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