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B772LR Record Flight A Failure/Waste Of Time?  
User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 9
Posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 4914 times:

What exactly was the point of the B772LR record flight to Heathrow? It carried only 35 passengers mainly journalists carrying no baggage, sitting on board having nothing to do. Anyone can fuel up a plane and fly it empty to the moon and back. This does not prove the point it makes sense to fly super longhaul or that the economics add up.

Debating if this should be in a poll forum but do you think the B772LR record flight to Heathrow was a failure or a waste of time for Boeing?

To my knowledge no major tests were completed? (Could be wrong, please let me know if there were) They did make a point that the B772LR can fly with little self loading cargo longer distances than the B744 did under the same conditions. Perhaps.... with more fuel? (someone help me out with this one?)

- No new orders before and after the flight
- No new operators took a look at the aircraft

With the B772LR in flight at the same time Airbus took the A388 to Australia which I believe stole a lot of press away from Boeing.

What do you think Boeing could have gained from this flight?
What do you suppose Boeing was trying to gain by completing this flight?
Do you suppose there will be any surprises in the coming weeks? months? even years?
Is Boeing afraid of doing the same flight with a full load? (Aircraft issues? Safety issues? No interesting events worth presenting the B772LR?)
Is Boeing part of Bush's campaign to poison the Earth by wasting as much fuel as they can for no reasons whatsoever?

 

[Edited 2005-11-14 21:00:21]


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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2404 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 4873 times:

LOL
hmm this thread looks like some other thread I saw not so long ago

nice...!

[Edited 2005-11-14 21:00:12]

User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2744 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 4862 times:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...neral_aviation/read.main/2436087/a


. . . it's good to see you are not being transparent. . .  sarcastic 


Regards,

Hamlet69



Honor the warriors, not the war.
User currently offlineStuckInCA From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1959 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 4861 times:

There was already a thread where the merits (or lack thereof) of the record breaking flight were discussed... at length. That said, it's clear that you're just duplicating the A380 thread. It's possible it could have actually led to interesting conversation, but that is clearly not what you have in mind since that topic is already actively being discussed. Always mature to respond to something you don't like by duplicating the behavior  yuck 

User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2404 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 4844 times:

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 2):
http://www.airliners.net/discussions...neral_aviation/read.main/2436087/a


. . . it's good to see you are not being transparent. . . sarcastic


Regards,

Hamlet69

¨why do you think he started this thread...? duh..!


User currently offlineStuckInCA From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1959 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 4827 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 4):
¨why do you think he started this thread...?

Petty anger and immaturity. Why do YOU think he started it?


User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 4805 times:

Quoting StuckInCA (Reply 3):
There was already a thread where the merits (or lack thereof) of the record breaking flight were discussed... at length. That said, it's clear that you're just duplicating the A380 thread. It's possible it could have actually led to interesting conversation, but that is clearly not what you have in mind since that topic is already actively being discussed. Always mature to respond to something you don't like by duplicating the behavior

I suppose I started a topic with a lot of valid questions. Similar questions were raised in another topic for another aircraft. It does not mean they are not valid in my topic or "duplicated".



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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2404 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 4797 times:

Quoting StuckInCA (Reply 5):
Petty anger and immaturity. Why do YOU think he started it?

lol whatever you say. I think the other thread about the A380 was started because some people found an earlier thread about the 772LR provoking because the thread starter questioned the importance of the record flight.. I hope that answers your question lol..


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2404 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 4779 times:

Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 6):
I suppose I started a topic with a lot of valid questions. Similar questions were raised in another topic for another aircraft. It does not mean they are not valid in my topic or "duplicated".

They are indeed valid and deserve some serious answers


User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2818 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 4740 times:

This point was made in the A380 bashing thread. Over-doing a joke makes it obnoxious.

User currently offlineStuckInCA From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1959 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 4738 times:

Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 6):
I suppose I started a topic with a lot of valid questions. Similar questions were raised in another topic for another aircraft. It does not mean they are not valid in my topic or "duplicated".

I'm not going to hang around here and argue with you (which is what you want I suspect). If you read through this thread (which you probably already did), you'll see that pretty much all of those questions were discussed.

Boeing 777-200LR Breaks Longest Flight Record (by Darrenthe747 Nov 10 2005 in Civil Aviation)a

I don't believe for a second (and probably nobody really does) that you started this thread to stimulate conversation and ask honest questions. But hey, maybe I'm just cynical.


User currently offlineIowa744Fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 4726 times:

Quoting Cloudyapple (Thread starter):
LOL
hmm this thread looks like some other thread I saw not so long ago

nice...!

I was waiting for this one to come out too!  Smile


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2404 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 4704 times:

Quoting Iowa744Fan (Reply 11):
I was waiting for this one to come out too! Smile

It's hilarious Big grin some people take things way too seriously lol


User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2744 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 4672 times:

Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 6):
I suppose I started a topic with a lot of valid questions.

Yes - that was already discussed just last week. We all know that was not the point of you starting this thread, but the fact you got jealous/angry/whatever over the stupid and petty A380 tour thread, and decided the best thing to do was the exact same thing. . .

However, if you choose to pretend that wasn't the reason, then:

Quoting Cloudyapple (Thread starter):
What exactly was the point of the B772LR record flight to Heathrow?

To break a distance, and more importantly, durance record for an aircraft of its size and weight.

Quoting Cloudyapple (Thread starter):
Anyone can fuel up a plane and fly it empty to the moon and back.

I'd like to see "anyone" try.

Quoting Cloudyapple (Thread starter):
This does not prove the point it makes sense to fly super longhaul or that the economics add up.

It was not meant to, that is the airline's job. If an airline asks a manufacturer to build an aircraft with X amount of range, it is not for that manufacturer to say, "Well, you know, you really don't need that, all you really need is X-20%"

Quoting Cloudyapple (Thread starter):
do you think the B772LR record flight to Heathrow was a failure

It broke the records it was after with no problems, so that would be a resounding "NO"

Quoting Cloudyapple (Thread starter):
To my knowledge no major tests were completed? (could be wrong, please let me know if there were)

Depends on what you describe as "major." As to normal flight tests, yes, you are wrong.

Quoting Cloudyapple (Thread starter):
-No new orders before and after the flight (B772LR orders)

Did you expect them to land at Heathrow and have 10 airline accountants waiting for them? FWIW, both EY and EK are expected to announce 772LR deals next week at Dubai.

Quoting Cloudyapple (Thread starter):
-No new operators took a look at the aircraft

So the fact that a Singapore Airlines pilot was among those on board went right over your head, did it?


Hamlet69



Honor the warriors, not the war.
User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 4669 times:

I have not for a second believed Boeing have acheived anything but bad press. If you read what the journalists had to say post flight, they pretty much agreed it was unbearable to be confined in an economy seat for 20+ hours. It was a Guiness World Record but only there to put potential flyers off flying ultra longhaul.

SQ have had the B772 for a long time and was widely expected to dump the A345 for a "large" (5 maybe?) B772LR order. It attracted no other airline attention. Afterall aircraft orders are not judged by being onboard but working the numbers in an office.

[Edited 2005-11-14 21:14:20]


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User currently offlineODwyerPW From Mexico, joined Dec 2004, 855 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 4656 times:

OK,
Queue the A. vs B. Flamefest in 3...2...1...

Could we all grow up and stop trying to polarize everyone immediately with our thread titles?



Quiero una vida simple en Mexico. Nada mas.
User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 4656 times:

No new order for the T7-LR AFAIK, neither for the 388.......

Love this thread though  Wink

Micke//SE  wave 



Airbus SAS - Love them both
User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8565 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 4643 times:
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Cloudyapple

you have been accused of the heinous crime of having a sense of humour - how do you plead ? ( don't bother throwing yourself on the mercy of some of the humourless @#$% on this board - they wont even give themselves a break so they definitely wont give you one )



Moderation in all things ... including moderation ;-)
User currently offline797charter From Denmark, joined Jun 2005, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 4599 times:

Quoting Cloudyapple (Thread starter):
It carried only 35 passengers mainly journalists carrying no baggage, sitting on board having nothing to do. Anyone can fuel up a plane and fly it empty to the moon and back.

LOL
Spank the Yanks!
 angel 



Keep it clear of the propellers
User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 4577 times:

If I was Boeing I would fly 301 journalists and dignities with baggage the same flight they did years ago with the B744 from Sydney to Heathrow and back.

Then I'd fly 301 journalists and dignities with baggage from Singapore to New York then back to Bangkok.

Then I'd fly 301 journalists and dignities with baggage from Dubai to Los Angeles then back to Abu Dhabi.

That will certainly sell a few aircraft.  Smile

[Edited 2005-11-14 21:28:36]


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User currently offlineODwyerPW From Mexico, joined Dec 2004, 855 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 4542 times:

kiwi,
it's an absolutely hilarious post...IF you've read the previous A380 failure/waste of time thread. IF you didn't see that one first, than this one just looks inflammatory.

You're right though. I was probably a bit severe and should have immediately recognized CloudyApple was being sarcastic, rather than tit-for-tat. I plead guilty of excessive uptightness.



Quiero una vida simple en Mexico. Nada mas.
User currently offlineSthPacific787 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 4509 times:

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 17):
Cloudyapple

you have been accused of the heinous crime of having a sense of humour - how do you plead ? ( don't bother throwing yourself on the mercy of some of the humourless @#$% on this board - they wont even give themselves a break so they definitely wont give you one )



Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 19):
If I was Boeing I would fly 301 journalists and dignities with baggage the same flight they did years ago with the B744 from Sydney to Heathrow and back. That will certainly sell a few aircraft. (5 maybe?)

Kiwiandrew, I believe you are giving Cloudyapple too much credit with the 'sense of humour' line. He is coming accross anti Boeing/USA and vindictive to the point of bitterness.

I say good on Boeing and whoever else in the Aviation Industry who revives and maintains the magic and mystic of flight. Setting records is all part of the 'romance' of Aviation and a lot of the reason why we are all so passionate about Aircraft.
Pull your head in Cloudyapple and all the others who forget why we love aviation so much
 bigmouth   bored 


User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 4504 times:

Yes this is meant to be a serious but fun topic! I wasn't trying to dumb down the LR or provoke AvB arguments, but provoke discussions as to why Boeing flew the LR just to break the record.

Come on, post your views on the topic, not about the topic!



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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8565 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 4484 times:
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Quoting ODwyerPW (Reply 20):
I plead guilty of excessive uptightness.

sentence suspended for 90 days - please do not re-offend or we may have to make an example of you Big grin

PS - I notice from your profile that you would rather be in New Zealand - as I sit here in BRU with winter closing in - and a bad case of the ( hopefully-not-avian) flu I find myself in agreement with you - I wanna go home



Moderation in all things ... including moderation ;-)
User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4561 posts, RR: 18
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 4451 times:

This was a PR stunt. I'm sure this wasn't the first PR stunt in the history of aviation  Smile. Who in their right mind would take a 23 hour flight considering these bullcrap seat configurations. Its a different story if you are working with a 20" seat with a 40" pitch. But there is nothing fun about a 17" seat with a 31" pitch for 23 hours. Isn't that unhealthy?


Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
25 Cloudyapple : Boeing doesn't exist to create romance. Wake up. Those are the days long gone. They did the record flight to entice the airlines of the aircraft's ca
26 ODwyerPW : agree, I live in Upstate NY. I'm leaving for San Carlos, Mexico in 3 weeks to winter there until the end of Feb. I'd rather be in NZ, but I can't affo
27 Post contains images SthPacific787 : Cloudyapple, romance is emotion. Emotion is used by Marketeers to provoke interest. While you are correct Boeing is in the Business to make money, the
28 AirPacific747 : I agree with that statement and I think the HKG-LHR route was pointless. Another option would have been AKL-LHR. That would have been longer than the
29 Kiwiandrew : wow - way off topic - but I may just have to add you to my respected user list for that - not a lot of people know about the B&V seaplanes bought by
30 Glom : Oh, you're serious. Damn. I was hoping it was a joke in response to the other thread.
31 VV701 : Boeing wamted publicity. Cloudyapple (and others) fell for it and have given Boeing what they wanted. I am sure they are grateful (but they will not
32 Cloudyapple : I'm sure Geoff Dixon has very little emotion. While in the old days aircraft were each hand made like Roll Royces, aircraft today are mass produced i
33 Post contains images Cloudyapple : Well it's serious but fun~   I started off taking the piss but then there is a serious side to it~[Edited 2005-11-14 22:01:57]
34 777D : To those that are familiar with the 777-200LR. The airlines that order the aricraft for the ultra long routes, the seating config would be much less t
35 CrazyHorse : Both company's did a great job, and so both company´s are quite proud of their aircraft and both showed the aviation world how perfect their product
36 Cloudyapple : 301 3 class is the claimed sweet spot for maximum range on the LR. Reduced from 368 3 class on a normal B772. However, most airlines don't fit that ma
37 Post contains images Stitch : I know the point(lessness) of this thread was in response to the point(lessness) of the A380 Asia Tour thread, but what the heck: To prove it can be d
38 Wjcandee : Not true. The CNN guy was funny and not negative. Besides, most of those journalists aren't the passengers that are expected to want and/or benefit f
39 N754PR : Well. If everything Airbus does is a waste of time according to half the 'Users" on this forum then I think its fine for people to ask the same thing
40 Stitch : Heck, a 777-200ER should be able to do that. It's less then 6000nm, afterall.
41 Cloudyapple : He meant eastbound I suppose.
42 StuckInCA : The point was that the questions were already very recently discussed. Also, if someone stoops to the level of the "half the users" they are put off
43 Ikramerica : YES THEY ARE DUPLICATED. In another thread. And since this wasn't just a joke thread against the other stupid thread on the A380, it shows you didn't
44 Cloudyapple : I misread my figures for which i apologise. But there is really no need to use the kind of language you have used. Seems like there are posters who c
45 Hamlet69 : And if this thread is any example, you are one of those posters. Hamlet69
46 MidnightMike : Testing was taking place, also, gave Boeing a chance to see what the 777-200LR can do with all 3 AUX tanks fully loaded. Nobody is going to buy the a
47 Coa747 : Reporters were not crammed into coach seats. That is completely false they each had very comfortable accomodations on board. The flight was done to pr
48 777STL : It's all about keeping your customers (and potential customers) happy.
49 BostonGuy : It's common practice to provide links (if it was a bad as you claim, "unbearable" is the word you used, there must be multiple stories) when you make
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