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PHL The Great Terminal Shuffle...  
User currently offlineUALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4217 times:

OK so those of you who may look at PHL's webcam will have noticed UA has been operating for about two weeks without D1 and D3. Although we still have use of them for deplaning for now. Still no word of who is taking them but my money would still lean to WN over NW. (Hey I just noticed Southwest is the oposite of Northwest and WN is the oposite of NW. Wonder if someone did that on purpose?)

Anyway a new wrinkle has been thrown into the mix. HP left terminal D when the HP/US merger was completed, leaving D10 vacant. CO only operated that gate for HP as a ground handler they are now content with just 2 gates. Rumor has it that F9 will move to the single D10 gate, allowing DL to move to terminal A West as many in these forums have predicted.

Everybody follow? Good.

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User currently offlineRP TPA From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4145 times:

UALPHLCS.....

Have you heard if/when Air Canada will be moving to the USAirways gate area? Supposedly, US will be handling most of the ground functions for AC sometime in the future, at most of the stations AC is contracting out.


User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3404 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4094 times:

I thought UA just formed an agreement with AC to continue handling their flts in PHL.

F9's move to D10 makes sense, but that's only 2 flts a day...still an under used gate. How many gates will DL have at A west, 3 or 4?

Still don't know about D1 and D3. I'm sure WN will want any gates available, but it seems that they seldomly use D2 and D4, basically only when they have to. They are separate from the main WN area in E, specifically paxs have to go through security again.


User currently offlineEtops1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1087 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4079 times:

delta is moving to a-west? when and why? and what gates? there hardly is any space at a-west once the intl surge gets going. why can't they stay where they are at? we do not need delta close to usairways . they need to stay over at their gates.

User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3404 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4051 times:

I don't really get it either, but that's what looks like is going to happen. In reality Delta is scaling back operations in PHL and will only have 12-14 mainline flts and 6 or so RJ's. However like you mentioned there is virtually no room in A-west. When all the US transatlantic flts come in there are basically no gates and if DL planes are taking up a gate or two, the last thing that we want to start seing again is busing from the aircraft to the terminal for international flts.

Terminal E will begin renovations that will add a small 3 gate hammerhead on the end. This will cause a few current gates(WN gates) to be out of operation. Thus someone needs to move out of E to allow WN to maintain the number of gates they have now


User currently offlineTonyBurr From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1032 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4018 times:

The last few times I have gone through security at D it has been a real nightmare. It recalls the days right after 9/11. If Southwest adds flights there, security at D will be at a standstill.

User currently offlineUALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3989 times:

Quoting RP TPA (Reply 1):
Have you heard if/when Air Canada will be moving to the USAirways gate area? Supposedly, US will be handling most of the ground functions for AC sometime in the future, at most of the stations AC is contracting out

AC has agreed to lease D5 UA is still ground handling them. So now most of the RJ operation both UA and AC is out of D5. AC is not moving from the D terminal anytime soon, not with the ink of the lease barely dry.

I haven't heard anything about AC changing to US for ground handling. UA has ground handled AC in just about every city in the US were they overlap. The only exception I can think of off the top of my head is BOS.

Quoting TonyBurr (Reply 5):
The last few times I have gone through security at D it has been a real nightmare. It recalls the days right after 9/11. If Southwest adds flights there, security at D will be at a standstill.

WN paid for the expansion of the D security checkpoint. If posts were better at sarcasm I'd tell you how that has worked out. In fact all we can tell is that TSA has made matters in D worse. I have no hope that security in D will be faster until they rebuild the entire concourse which is still in the planning phase from what we have been told.


User currently offlineVega From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3908 times:

Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 4):
I don't really get it either, but that's what looks like is going to happen. In reality Delta is scaling back operations in PHL and will only have 12-14 mainline flts and 6 or so RJ's. However like you mentioned there is virtually no room in A-west. When all the US transatlantic flts come in there are basically no gates and if DL planes are taking up a gate or two, the last thing that we want to start seing again is busing from the aircraft to the terminal for international flts.

Only reason I can think of is that Air France will now be able to both depart and arrive at A (West), since they are serviced by Delta. But A(West)? Why not move the more prestigious international carrier, BA to "A"(West) from "A" maybe alongside Lufthansa and stick Delta (and tag-along AF) in "A", or better yet, move Delta to "A" and AF to "A"(West). Maybe PHL is getting ready to start the "A" refurbishment process and that's why all this is happening.


User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3774 times:

If F9 is moving to Gate D10...when would the move take place?

Greg



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User currently offlineCgnnrw From Germany, joined May 2005, 1156 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3764 times:

I frequently fly AF into PHL and would be pleased if AF arrived AND departed from the newer Terminal A West. So what do you say AF 'bout doing me this little favor??????  Smile


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User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3744 times:

Airtran has D12, D14, D15, and D16. Could they use another D gate?

User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3404 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3738 times:

i think it is already set in stone that AF will be both arriving and departing from A-west, i just can't remember when(anyone care to enlighten me)

User currently offlineCgnnrw From Germany, joined May 2005, 1156 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3708 times:

Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 11):
i think it is already set in stone that AF will be both arriving and departing from A-west,

Good news!!! Hope it's soon. Will be flying them in December.



A330 man.
User currently offlineBigOrange From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2365 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3701 times:

Quoting Cgnnrw (Reply 9):
I frequently fly AF into PHL and would be pleased if AF arrived AND departed from the newer Terminal A West. So what do you say AF 'bout doing me this little favor??????

I would presume this will happen if Delta move to A-West.


User currently offlineCgnnrw From Germany, joined May 2005, 1156 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3681 times:

Quoting BigOrange (Reply 13):
I would presume this will happen if Delta move to A-West.

Yes, that's sounds logical since DL does all the stuff for AF in PHL. Sooooooo any DLers out there who can say anything about such a move?????



A330 man.
User currently offlineTWAAF9 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 3629 times:

Last I heard from F9 management at PHL was that DL was moving to A-EAST and that F9 was looking at moving to Terminal E (possible gate/counter share with YX--however it looks pretty un-workable, though). Barring moving to Terminal E, F9 has the option of space in D. Any moves for F9 would be after New Year's.


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User currently offlineORD2PHL From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 3574 times:

As a frequent UA flyer out of PHL I sure do hope that WN does not move additional capacity to D...the security lines for D are already a nightmare and more often than not I'll use the Star preferred line over at C, when the US folk are pleasant enough to let me through.

ORD2PHL


User currently offlineVega From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 3544 times:

Quoting TWAAF9 (Reply 15):
Last I heard from F9 management at PHL was that DL was moving to A-EAST and that F9 was looking at moving to Terminal E (possible gate/counter share with YX--however it looks pretty un-workable, though). Barring moving to Terminal E, F9 has the option of space in D. Any moves for F9 would be after New Year's.

That'll be a step down for Frontier (F9), from grand A(West) to D or E. I never understood why they were in AW anyway. Thought it was either, no other gates available, or some relationship with an international carrier or US International. Wonder how F9 feels about the move. It'd be interesting to find out the reason for all this shuffling. I can't find any public documentation anywhere.


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7521 posts, RR: 23
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 3531 times:

Quoting Vega (Reply 17):
It'd be interesting to find out the reason for all this shuffling. I can't find any public documentation anywhere.

It's been mentioned in a few threads within the last couple of months. Most of the moving is being done in anticipation of the eventual Hammerhead E construction. During the construction time, several of WN's current gates will be out of service; as a result, they will (at least temporarily) will move to some if not all of the gates vacated by DL. The other gate moving taking place elsewhere is a ripple-effect of that construction project.



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User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3472 times:

*shudder*...I think I could tolerate F9 being in D cause its still connected to the food court and mall, but F9 in the isolation of E? I hope not!

Greg



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User currently offlineUSflt1778 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 268 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 3369 times:

AF, BA and LH are moving to A-West during first quarter of 2006. AF will have their own counter. DL is moving to A-East after BA has vacated their current space.

Work to the bag handling systems and bag make-up area has yet to be completed and will dictate the definitive dates of everyone's moves.


User currently offlineCgnnrw From Germany, joined May 2005, 1156 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 3293 times:

Quoting USflt1778 (Reply 20):
AF, BA and LH are moving to A-West during first quarter of 2006. AF will have their own counter.

Good! When all the international carriers and US' trans-Atlantic flights operate from Termianal A West, PHL can finally call itself a "proper international gateway"  Smile

Better late than never! Cheers to Philly!



A330 man.
User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7521 posts, RR: 23
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 3283 times:

Quoting USAFHummer (Reply 19):
*shudder*...I think I could tolerate F9 being in D cause its still connected to the food court and mall, but F9 in the isolation of E? I hope not!

The construction of the Terminal D-E Check-In consolidation area is part of the same construction package as the Hammerhead E project; the buildings additions are designed by the same architectural firm. My guess would be that construction of the D-E area will probably commence first before Hammerhead E. So should F9 or anyone else move to E; the present isolation factor's days will be numbered.



"TransEastern! You'll feel like you've never left the ground because we treat you like dirt!" SNL Parady ad circa 1981
User currently offlineN501US From United States of America, joined May 2005, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 3266 times:
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Delta currently has a Crown Room in Philly (outside of security at Terminal E). Will they still maintain a Crown Room when they move to Terminal A or will the club be eliminated as a cost cutting measure?


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User currently offlineWidgetBoi From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1432 posts, RR: 19
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 3263 times:

Quoting TWAAF9 (Reply 15):
F9 was looking at moving to Terminal E (possible gate/counter share with YX--however it looks pretty un-workable, though)

Doesn't Delta handle all of Midwest's flights?


25 Usairways85 : YX only has 2/3 flts a day into PHL...they could easily move with DL where ever they go. Could be a sign that DL could be closing its Crown Room in Ph
26 USflt1778 : The Crown Room is expected to move into one of the current BA lounge spaces on the lower level of A-East. YX has their own check-in staff but uses DGS
27 Usairways85 : Oh yea makes sense given that BA will end up vacating A-east and their club on the ground floor. Two things though: Has AA expressed interest in movin
28 N1120A : Given AC's location in UA's portion of Terminal C at BOS, it would lead one to believe that UA does do their ground handling. On the other hand, I am
29 USflt1778 : BA will have a new lounge opposite gate A14 (currently empty space) from what I've heard.
30 Usairways85 : Well some big news in today's paper WN will pick up D1 and D3 i was a little surprised because it seems they barely use D2 and D4 currently, but i gue
31 TonyBurr : No surprise that the UA vacated gates will got to WN. But dear and trembling occur when I think of that this will do to the security line at D !At tim
32 RP TPA : Re AC being handled by UA: Air Canada has their own employees handling flights at BOS/LGA/EWR/DCA/ATL/MIA/FLL/TPA/ORD/IAH/LAX/SFO......Most of the oth
33 N917ME : DL will only have 3 gates in A east. Whether they handle AF or not is still in up in the air. AF has placed RFP's out to other handlers. AF is NOT hap
34 PVD757 : OK, a little help since I'm not overly familiar with the PHL gate situation: After DL moves from E to A, who else will be in E with WN and how many E
35 Cgnnrw : Why is AF uhappy with DL? Seems a bit strange for two alliance partners not to get on well with each other....or does it have to do with the DL emplo
36 Usairways85 : Currently DL has 4 gates in E, WN has 4, and NW has 3. Also YX uses one of DL's. WN will take over DL's 4 gates, DL moves to A-east, YX will probably
37 USflt1778 : The relationship at PHL was a very good one for a long time, however DL's own internal problems during the past year have strained their resources an
38 PVD757 : Thanks USAirways85, I needed a clearer road map to follow along with this one...
39 PHLJJS : those numbers are right. E10abc was how some of the gates were numbered before WN came. Also, wouldn't it make more sense for NW to move to terminal
40 PHLAUA : It looks like WN is utilizing their D gates more. I flew to MCO Thursday (12/1) and all gates were being utilized during the 2 hours I was there. When
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