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BA B747-ADV Passenger Version Order Today?  
User currently offlineUnited777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1657 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 10871 times:

Not sure if this has already been posted....

Just saw a news report here in Seattle that a launch annoucment for the 747-ADV passenger version can be today and either British Airways, Qantas Airways or Singapore Airlines can also announce an order today.

One of the features on the new jet will be skylight windows ontop of the aircraft to give passengers a "space flight feel". Interesting.



[Edited 2005-11-15 08:02:39]

[Edited 2005-11-15 08:06:48]

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User currently offlineHZ747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1665 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 10841 times:
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Two things happened today:
1. There was a freighter order for the 747-8F (747-ADV)
2. BA reports that they are leaning towards Boeing.

Odds are there will not be an announcement today--but I would venture to guess it will come in December sometime. Boeing lets the airlines announce the orders first, so expect it to come from British Airways, Qantas, or Singapore Airlines first.

Maybe for this, it will be a joint announcement.



Keep on truckin'...
User currently offlineUnited777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1657 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 10805 times:

Here is a link to the Seattle news station report. You might need to register to see the article.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...NW_111405BUBboeingKC.5fc34005.html


User currently offline707lvr From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 583 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 10804 times:

Both KIRO-7 and KING-5 reported "Just in" news on the 747-ADV at 23:10 PST but I only caught the end of each. Anyone else hear the report?

User currently offlineHZ747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1665 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 10761 times:
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SEATTLE, Nov. 15 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- The Boeing Company (NYSE: BA)
today officially launched the new Boeing 747-8 program, which includes the
747-8 Intercontinental passenger airplane and the 747-8 Freighter airplane.
Cargolux, based in Luxembourg, has ordered 10 747-8 Freighters and will
take delivery of the first 747-8F in third-quarter 2009. It also holds
purchase rights for 10 additional airplanes. Cargolux currently operates an
all-Boeing fleet of 13 747-400 freighters.

-------
just in off the newswire, it's official all versions launched today!

I was wrong. I sit corrected.



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User currently offlineTinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 10719 times:

Woow! They are finally launching the 'King of the skies' this time around. Great news for airbus and all airplane enthusists like myself out there. I've been waiting for this day for a loooong time.

User currently offlineNZAA From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 10693 times:

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2005/q4/nr_051114h.html

Here you go.
Travis



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User currently offlineFuffla From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10657 times:

*crosses fingers* Please be QF

Seriously, a great day for Boeing in a really big year of orders for both aircraft manufacturers


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7062 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10523 times:

I hope Lufthansa will order some soon  Wink (as well as some 787s and 777Fs)


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21511 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 10376 times:

Maybe 747-8I (yes, that's the clumsy name for the pax version right now) order in Dubai at the show?

An EK surprise (B748 + A359 order, all GEnex, of course)...  Wink



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User currently offlineSparkingWave From South Korea, joined Jun 2005, 671 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 10282 times:

Yeaaaaaaaa Boeing!!!

SparkingWave



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User currently offline797charter From Denmark, joined Jun 2005, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9990 times:

Take a look at this:

http://www.flightinternational.com/A.../BA+ponders+long-haul+options.html

Looks not to god about any order from BA these days...

"...He added that the jury is still out on the A380, as it is not yet in service, but the aircraft is very much on our radar screen.
But this statement could also be seen as a "preparation" to
negotiate with Boeing.
On the other hand is the restricted slots at LHR a limitation, that hurt no carriers more than BA, and could be the reason to choose the A380, to ensure "room" to growth.



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User currently offlineSTARCREW From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9847 times:

BA won't want it with the GE engines only especially after their experiences as launch customer with the 777-200ER and the GE90. I remember hearing a quote from BA afterwards saying that they would never be launch customer on anything again. Now if they come up with a RR option then I think the deal would easily be done especially since BA are short of longhaul equipment and are having to convert some 767 from shorthaul config to longhaul (dusked).


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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5901 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9740 times:
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In light of all of these launches, maybe the Sonic Cruiser will be offered again. One can only dream. They just need to come up with technology to fly Mach 1.5 or higher with comparable fuel economy.

Wouldn't that be cool!


User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9683 times:

Quoting 797charter (Reply 11):
On the other hand is the restricted slots at LHR a limitation, that hurt no carriers more than BA, and could be the reason to choose the A380, to ensure "room" to growth.

It actually hurts BA a lot less than other carriers, as they get a lions share of the slots.


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8552 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9662 times:
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Quoting STARCREW (Reply 12):
BA won't want it with the GE engines only especially after their experiences as launch customer with the 777-200ER and the GE90. I remember hearing a quote from BA afterwards saying that they would never be launch customer on anything again. Now if they come up with a RR option then I think the deal would easily be done

well in that case BA wont be getting them - for better or worse Boeing have signed another exclusivity deal with GE - there will be no RR powered 747-8 - undesirable from a customers point of view I know - but I can understand from Boeings point of view - only one engine/airframe combo to certify and keep the pylon interface simple . I think this airframe is going to be a 'steady seller' rather than the huge seller the -400 was back in the old days - if having a monopoly engine supplier keeps the unit cost down then it is something the customers will have to put up with if they want the a/c .



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User currently offlineUSAF336TFS From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1445 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9626 times:

Quoting Columba (Reply 8):
I hope Lufthansa will order some soon (as well as some 787s and 777Fs)

Amen... Let's keep our  crossfingers ! My gut tells me we'll see it in LH livery. I know that the Cargo people LOVE the 747. I think the pax side likes the aircraft as well. Would fit nicely between the 744s and the A380.



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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5174 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9551 times:

Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 16):
Would fit nicely between the 744s and the A380.

Thats what everybody was trying to tell that dude in the "I don't think the 747adv will be launched" thread--boy did he get pie in his face  laughing 



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User currently offlineTinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9474 times:

Quoting STARCREW (Reply 12):
BA won't want it with the GE engines only especially after their experiences as launch customer with the 777-200ER and the GE90. I remember hearing a quote from BA afterwards saying that they would never be launch customer on anything again.

BA was NOT the launch customer of 772ER.


User currently offlineBoogyJay From France, joined May 2005, 490 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9458 times:

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 15):
if having a monopoly engine supplier keeps the unit cost down

Not sure it does.

The airframe may end up being cheaper (easier/cheaper to design, produce and certify) and easier to market in the 2nd hand market (no commonality problem) but the engine manufacturer knows it enjoys a monopoly. I think GE might price their engines and even more importantly the spare parts and possible maintenance contracts up.

Don't forget airlines sign the engine contracts independantly to the airframe in itself.

In the end, the single GE choice may be a disadvantage for the B747-8.

What are your thoughts?


User currently offlineSTARCREW From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8759 times:

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 18):
BA was NOT the launch customer of 772ER.

Ok point taken BA was launch customer for 777-200 and ordered 5 in Aug 1991. It THEN went on to order the 777-200ER.  banghead 



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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8482 times:

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 17):
Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 16):
Would fit nicely between the 744s and the A380.

Thats what everybody was trying to tell that dude in the "I don't think the 747adv will be launched" thread--boy did he get pie in his face

I freely admit i was wrong - they will launch it - fair play to them. Whether it will get any pax orders is another thing - this was my point.

We will see. I'm tempted to put up a thread saying "There will be no Pax orders for the 747-800" just so we get a pax order by the end of the week!



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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8470 times:

Delete please!  Smile

If you have an opinion on a topic, you should in detail express why you have the opinion and what made you come to that conclusion.

[Edited 2005-11-15 19:03:49]

User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8464 times:

Quoting STARCREW (Reply 20):

Ok point taken BA was launch customer for 777-200 and ordered 5 in Aug 1991. It THEN went on to order the 777-200ER.

BA recieved the first 777-200ER.


User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5174 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8176 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 21):
I freely admit i was wrong - they will launch it - fair play to them. Whether it will get any pax orders is another thing - this was my point.

We will see. I'm tempted to put up a thread saying "There will be no Pax orders for the 747-800" just so we get a pax order by the end of the week!

LOL--touche. I think the passenger version will get off to a very slow start--they'll probably pick up an order from 1 heavy-weighter in the near-term. At the end of the day airlines with 747 fleets will probably replace them with mixes of these and 777s--that is the ones that don't need the capacity of the A380 (like UA and NW)



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25 FRAspotter : It might just be me, but I think that JL will order the 747-8 passenger version before BA. JL has many 747 "classics" that they need to replace while
26 Ckfred : I don't think the lack of engine choice is going to be a problem. When the 747-100 and -200 came out, pretty much everyone order P&W JT8D engines. I t
27 Ikramerica : Has the GE only nature of the 773ER hurt the sales? Do we hear of airlines opting for the 346 these days instead because they don't want the GE? And c
28 Vasu : Is there anything wrong with the GEs?
29 Post contains images TinkerBelle : Wrong again.... BA was not a launch customer for any of the T7's.
30 BlueSky1976 : GENX will be in service for 6 - 8 months tops before 747-8 flies. The flight test period does not count as a revenue service period, unfortunately. J
31 Thunderbird1 : I just wish the passenger version were a big longer. 12 feet isn't much of a stretch.
32 Post contains images JBirdAV8r : Yeah, it sure killed the 737
33 SunriseValley : Never is a very long time! Airlines are pragmatists; they will assess the product on it's merits at the time they are getting ready to buy. I think p
34 SDLSimme : Sorry if this question has an obvious answer but I haven't been following the 747Adv development very closely. How big will the 748 be compared to the
35 GDB : BA was one of the original 'working together group' defining the 777 with Boeing, they were an early customer, maybe not a launch, but given BA's invo
36 N79969 : I think the content of GDB's post is definitive and good as gold.
37 Post contains images TinkerBelle : Your sources are definitely suspect The passenger version is only 11.7 ft longer that the 744. That will accommodate 34 additional seats in a typical
38 Thrust : Singapore Airlines ordering the 747 Advanced? That seems a little bit farfetched. Didn't the president/chairman of Singapore Airlines claim he would r
39 AirportGal : It is not intended to compete with the A380.... it fills a market between 747-400 and the A380.
40 Keesje : Boeing will no doubt open a bottle of Champagne if SQ orders them. Probably won´t be a Magnum though if they order additional passenger A380s at the
41 UALophile : This is great news!! For all you Boeing bashers out there, don't you think that Boeing has multiple orders for the 748 pax model tucked away in their
42 Keesje : nearly 2 meters..
43 Molykote : The engine I believe you are referring to is the JT9D. A 747 with JT8Ds would make the A343 look like a 757.
44 Post contains images TinkerBelle : Does it not already look like a 757?
45 Post contains images DavidT : Come on BA, order some 787s and 748s... I want to fly on some
46 GDB : No BA, as an employee, don't order anything until we are sure it can be afforded. And look critically at any 4 holer with one engine option, from the
47 TinkerBelle : Any chance VS might order the 748 to replace their 744's? I know they have 8 whalejets on order already but like it's been well noted, the whalejet is
48 Richard28 : I think you'll find the A380's replacing the LHR B744's, which will move over to LGW ops on arrival. So for VS the A380 is a replacement for the 744
49 SunriseValley : This statement was made a long time before the the 747-8 details were known. Also fuel prices have risen dramatically in the meantime. In any event S
50 A340600 : UA were the launch customer for the 777-200 but BA were for the ER, Sam
51 Dougloid : For the benefit of those who were not there, what's up with that? I thionk I remember a couple of your posts that went into detail but a little rehas
52 Singaporegirl : rumour has it that we WILL order 15 748f for sia cargo.
53 Post contains images STARCREW : thankyou !!!
54 Ikramerica : Well, make up your mind. From first flight of the 788 to first flight of the 748 will be nearly 18 months. That counts toward flight testing and work
55 777236ER : The fact that you as a BA employee slating Boeing is a bit...inappropriate...not withstanding, how exactly has Boeing ever screwed BA?
56 Richard28 : I think he's refering to GE, not Boeing....
57 GBOAE : ok, did Boeing not say that the future of air travel was in smaller point to point aircraft. Hence the development of the 787 and not a larger plane t
58 Stitch : No, they said that while there was a market for ultra-large aircraft, that market was not large enough to justify two all-new $16 billion-plus airfra
59 WhiteHatter : Boeing have damaged their prospects immesurably by this engine exclusivity crap. Many carriers will consider this imposition of the untested GENx as
60 Stitch : Well P&W decided they couldn't make a business case for developing a 787 engine, so what exactly is Boeing (or for that matter, Airbus when it comes t
61 WhiteHatter : missing the point altogether. This is not some Communist one-size-for-all marketplace. There is maybe one US carrier who could be in a position to or
62 TinkerBelle : And you're the one talking about other people missing the point altogether! Give it up dude, you've been at it too long and you should realize nobody
63 Atmx2000 : Well they could have bought the A346s if they were so keen on having a Trent option. It wouldn't have been a big leap since they had A345s in fleet.
64 BG777300ER : Where do you get that from?
65 DfwRevolution : I really think you are being irrational. You make it seem another arrogant American (insert: businessman, tourist, or politician) is strutting the gl
66 Revelation : It's funny how much concern we see about the B747-8 with its B747-400 body plus new fuse plug, wingtip treatments, and engines, and how little concer
67 Ikramerica : It's not worth arguing with WH based on all his other rants against Boeing with little logic behind them. The best response is: Whatever.
68 MidnightMike : In addition, Boeing has said that there is a market for large aircraft such as the A380 & the 747, though, a small market..
69 Post contains images Lightsaber : Pratt and Whitney loyalists? Ok, I'm pro-Pratt... but *everyone* at Pratt knows they have to win back customers. Remember the PW4062 surge issue? And
70 Zvezda : That's probably a negotiating tactic. SQ are masters at getting the best prices from Airbus and from Boeing. The statement above seems designed to ge
71 Post contains images SDLSimme : Thanks! My sources were definately more than suspect
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