Trvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 19 Posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 27729 times:
Just saw this on the newswires. Not sure if it has been posted already. Includes launch info for passenger version as well.
Boeing Launches New 747-8 Family
Tuesday November 15, 2:02 am ET
-- Cargolux and Nippon Cargo to buy up to 34 aircraft
-- 787 technologies to increase passenger and freighter capabilities, improve fuel efficiency, reduce noise and emissions, provide unmatched operating economics
SEATTLE, Nov. 15 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- The Boeing Company (NYSE: BA - News) today officially launched the new Boeing 747-8 program, which includes the 747-8 Intercontinental passenger airplane and the 747-8 Freighter airplane.
Cargolux, based in Luxembourg, has ordered 10 747-8 Freighters and will take delivery of the first 747-8F in third-quarter 2009. It also holds purchase rights for 10 additional airplanes. Cargolux currently operates an all-Boeing fleet of 13 747-400 freighters.
Nippon Cargo Airlines, based in Japan, has ordered eight 747-8 Freighters and will receive its first airplane in fourth-quarter 2009. The airline also acquired options for six additional airplanes. Nippon Cargo currently operates 13 747 freighters and has six more 747-400Fs on order.
Firm orders from the two launch customers are valued at approximately $5 billion at list prices.
"We are thrilled to have Cargolux and Nippon Cargo choose the new 747-8 and become the launch customers for this next generation of the proud and valuable 747 airplane family," said Alan Mulally, president and chief executive officer, Boeing Commercial Airplanes. "The 747-8 will use the technologies of the 787 Dreamliner to significantly increase the passenger and freighter capabilities of the 747 and offer greater fuel efficiency, improved operating economics, and be more friendly to the environment with reduced noise and emissions."
Both versions of the new 747 will feature GE's 787-technology GEnx engines, meet Stage 4 and QC2 noise requirements, have reduced emissions, offer lower trip costs and have an upgraded flight deck and an improved wing.
"The 747-8 Freighter will be very important in allowing Nippon Cargo to take advantage of the high expected cargo market growth in Asia," said Takuro Uchiyama, president and CEO, Nippon Cargo Airlines. "In addition, the 747-8 Freighter will be the world's most efficient cargo airplane, which is a key attribute with today's high cost of fuel."
Ulrich Ogiermann, president and CEO, Cargolux Airlines, said, "The Boeing 747-400 Freighter has been a cornerstone of our success, and I have high expectations that the 747-8 Freighter will build on that success and expand our capabilities worldwide. The increased payload capacity and much improved efficiency will allow us to continue our expansion and maximize our profitability. Equally important to us and the communities where we operate is the new standard the 747-8 Freighter will set in noise reduction."
The 747-8 Intercontinental passenger airplane will be stretched 3.6 m (11.7 ft) compared to the 747-400 to accommodate 34 additional seats in a typical three-class configuration. The only jetliner in the 400- to 500-seat category, it will have a range of 14,815 km (8,000 nmi) and will feature the new Boeing Signature Interior.
The Intercontinental will be quieter, produce fewer emissions, and achieve better fuel economy than any competing jetliner. It will offer 21 percent more lower-hold revenue cargo volume than the 747-400 and cost about 8 percent less per seat mile to operate. Compared to the A380, it will offer 22 percent lower trip costs.
The 747-8 Freighter will be 5.6 m (18.3 ft) longer than the 747-400 freighter. With a total payload capacity of 140 metric tonnes (154 tons), including tare weight, the 747-8F provides 16 percent more cargo revenue volume than the -400. The additional 117m(3) (4,124 ft(3)) from the longer fuselage offers space for four additional main-deck pallets, two additional lower-hold pallets and two additional lower-hold containers. Cargo can be loaded and unloaded on the 747-8F using both the nose and side doors for maximum speed and efficiency.
Compared to the A380, the 747-8F will offer 20 percent lower trip costs. In addition, the 747-8F will maintain the operational flexibility of today's 747 freighters, with good profit potential at less-than-full loads.
The 747-8 Freighter complements the existing 747-400 freighter family, which is the air-cargo industry's standard. Both models accommodate 3.1-meter (10-foot) high pallets, providing operators with maximum flexibility.
The 747-8 also fits easily in today's aviation infrastructure, flying into more than 210 airports worldwide without additional, expensive infrastructure changes required.
The 747 freighter family currently constitutes more than half of the world's total freighter capacity. Boeing freighters of all models comprise more than 90 percent of the total worldwide freighter lift.
Boeing forecasts the need for about 900 airplanes -- passengers and freighters -- in the 400-plus-seat segment over the next 20 years. Boeing also forecasts that large widebody freighters (65 metric tons and above in capacity) will comprise 34 percent of the freighter market by 2024.
707lvr From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 589 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 27521 times:
There must be some good reason for the bizarre timing, but I'll bet the local media is ticked off. Our papers will get scooped by the whole world on this one. Television doesn't really matter since Seattle TV doesn't pay much attention to Boeing, but I'm sure the papers had in-depth stories ready to go.
Lehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 27299 times:
Bad timing in the aviation industry? Never I'm guessing that this product is being aimed at people who will wake up this morning (as I am about to go to sleep).
What the media will do it compare and contrast as to why this 747 has an 800 in it and conclude in their minds: direct competitor to A388.
Looking back, I was wishing Boeing made 745x and 746x when they started them more than 10 years ago; this satisfies that wish in a way.
I think however, if this plane sells beyond anything expected, A380's market also grows but at a slower pace because of its size. Airbus is somewhat to blame for the creation of 748 by not making a A387, i.e. opening a niche in the first place.
Still, I find it odd why Boeing chose to pursue another 747; sales of which have been dropping over the years and they claim the future is in aircraft like their 787. In fact, I see an overlap in the use for both planes, so why waste the money?
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Atmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 36
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 27235 times:
Quoting Lehpron (Reply 16): Still, I find it odd why Boeing chose to pursue another 747; sales of which have been dropping over the years and they claim the future is in aircraft like their 787. In fact, I see an overlap in the use for both planes, so why waste the money?
Well, the freighter orders are one reason. The 787 isn't competing in that space.
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Mikkel777 From Norway, joined Oct 2002, 370 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 27142 times:
Quoting RedChili (Reply 15): does anobody think/guess whether the 748 will have the same problems?
No, it will not have greater wake than a regular 744. Why? Not much heavier than 744, and more effective winglets - raked wingtips. A388 on the other hand, has winglets that does not reduce induced drag by very much. Wingtip vortices, or wake turbulence, is a byproduct of lift and spillage.
DLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 27119 times:
Quoting RedChili (Reply 15): By the way, with the A380 showing signs of not being willing to cooperate with the wake turbulence, does anobody think/guess whether the 748 will have the same problems?
My guess is no. Airbus started the wing of the A380 from scratch, with no real "in the field" data to go by, just wind tunnel testing. As extensive as that can be, it still isn't the real world. Boeing on the other hand already has a wing for a plane of that size and profile, thus they already have some field data with which to analyze and improve upon.
Adipasqu From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 27019 times:
Quoting 707lvr (Reply 10): There must be some good reason for the bizarre timing, but I'll bet the local media is ticked off. Our papers will get scooped by the whole world on this one. Television doesn't really matter since Seattle TV doesn't pay much attention to Boeing, but I'm sure the papers had in-depth stories ready to go.
Damn it! I'm so excited that I can't go to sleep now. Thanks a lot Boeing!
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21910 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 26956 times:
Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 19): Boeing on the other hand already has a wing for a plane of that size and profile, thus they already have some field data with which to analyze and improve upon.
Not to mention the span has been increased by 13 feet and they are using more advanced wingtip devices on the 748 compared to the 744. The wake would hopefully be roughly the same, if not actually slightly less on the 748 vs. the 744.
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Carpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 3018 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 26880 times:
This was unexpected, to say the least.
This must be the minimum number of committments before such a launch for such a large aircraft. Let see if JL will order some, as they have a requirement to phase out its 747 classic fleet.
NH will not be going for the 747-8 because they have 10 773ER on order.
Hopefully, CX and other 744 operators will follow suit.
I wonder if the entire 747 airframe will be revolutionized rather a simple re-engine and fuselage stretch. Also with a wider diameter fan engine being used, is the main landing gear going to be slightly stretched? Is the fuselage going to be made of composite like the 787?
I and everybody else will definitely be interested in the new technologies being applied from the 787 R&D.