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EK 777's Cramped?  
User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4024 times:

I thought that the 777's were 9 seats abreast ...hence some have a 3-3-3 layout whilst others have 2-5-2 layout.... however if you look at this EK 777 interior pic you can see the layout is 3-4-3 the same as a 744....
As I don't think the have wider 777's I guess its that EK ried to cramp in more seats..... Musn't be very confortable I guess...
any other airline added an extra seat abreast ?

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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7411 posts, RR: 57
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4003 times:

Quoting RootsAir (Thread starter):
any other airline added an extra seat abreast ?

British Airways ... in Business Class !

with a 2 x 4 x 2 layout, when most (all ?) other airlines propose a 2 x 3 x 2 or even 2 x 2 x 2.


User currently offlineSky0000547 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3979 times:

Been on both EK772 and 773 and their economy seats are no better or no worse than other airlines. Infact legroom and recline are better than others.

User currently offlineA360 From Portugal, joined Jun 2005, 434 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3926 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 1):
British Airways ... in Business Class !

with a 2 x 4 x 2 layout, when most (all ?) other airlines propose a 2 x 3 x 2 or even 2 x 2 x 2.

But they have a different layout (back facing seats...).
Are those seats thinner than other business class seats?


User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3238 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3921 times:

Quoting RootsAir (Thread starter):
any other airline added an extra seat abreast ?

Lauda had 3-4-3 on their B777s (does anyone know if Austrian is going to convert them to a 9-abreast config?). Finnair has 3-4-3 on their MD-11s. Also there are a few charter companies that have 2-4-2 on their B767s and if I'm not mistaken 2-5-2 on their A330s (someone could correct me on the latter).

Tony



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User currently offlineGLAGAZ From UK - Scotland, joined Feb 2004, 1983 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3901 times:

77W's for EK have the new anti-jetlag lighting effect though, don't they? With the stars on the ceiling? Surely that makes up for the poor legroom...  Yeah sure

Gaz



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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3879 times:

It looks cramped to me. No wonder EK is screaming for the A380-900 to be buildt, will take 750 pax.

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User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 43
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3862 times:

Yes the seats are very cramped compared to SQ for example. So is EK busines class on the 777-300 HD at least.


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User currently offlineA360 From Portugal, joined Jun 2005, 434 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3834 times:

Quoting SNATH (Reply 4):
Also there are a few charter companies that have 2-4-2 on their B767s and if I'm not mistaken 2-5-2 on their A330s (someone could correct me on the latter).

Some charters operate 3-3-3 on 330s. Not sure if any operates 2-5-5, but seat width wise, it's the same.


User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3238 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3772 times:

Quoting A360 (Reply 8):
Some charters operate 3-3-3 on 330s.

Thanks for the clarification, A360. Glad I was not that far off the truth!

Tony



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User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3704 times:
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Does EK have 2 different seat configurations on their B773ER's? I had a look at fares from SYD-AKL and see that First Class is not offered on this route.


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User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5088 posts, RR: 55
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3554 times:

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 7):
Yes the seats are very cramped compared to SQ for example. So is EK busines class on the 777-300 HD at least.

= Yup. EK Y class product and J class products are both very shabby IMO with cabin crew extremely inconsistent. I just came back on from their DXB-DAC flight and it was pretty bad on J. Y is very cramped for a mainline carrier.

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 10):
Does EK have 2 different seat configurations on their B773ER's?

= It has 3 I believe.

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User currently offlineHanginOut From Austria, joined May 2005, 550 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3473 times:

Quoting A360 (Reply 8):
Some charters operate 3-3-3 on 330s.

Air Transat's economy seats in their 330s are 3-3-3.



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User currently offlineBrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4208 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3453 times:

Quoting HanginOut (Reply 12):
Air Transat's economy seats in their 330s are 3-3-3.

I wouldn't hold Air Tansat as a model of comfort.



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User currently offlineSE210Caravelle From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 258 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3399 times:

Quoting Brilondon (Reply 13):
I wouldn't hold Air Tansat as a model of comfort.

Lol. Neither would I!

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 6):
No wonder EK is screaming for the A380-900 to be buildt, will take 750 pax.

That'll be unbearable! I don't know why anyone would want to fly in a jet with 749 other people. It's beyond me!

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 10):
Does EK have 2 different seat configurations on their B773ER's?

According to their website, that is correct, they have only two. One with a business, economy config. and the other with a first, business, economy config. Not saying anyone is wrong, just reporting what EK says on their site.

Thanks,

S E 2 1 0


User currently offlineA360 From Portugal, joined Jun 2005, 434 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3384 times:

Quoting SE210Caravelle (Reply 14):
According to their website, that is correct, they have only two. One with a business, economy config. and the other with a first, business, economy config. Not saying anyone is wrong, just reporting what EK says on their site.

I'm not sure if the 77W's don't have a slightly diferent 3 class layout than that of the 773A's, but I think so... that would make 3 seat configs (1 with 2 class, and 2 with 3 classes).

Quoting Brilondon (Reply 13):
I wouldn't hold Air Tansat as a model of comfort.

3-3-3 in a 330-340 is cramped. More than 3-4-3 in a 777... But still less than a 2-4-2 in a 767... that must be unbearable.

Quoting SE210Caravelle (Reply 14):
That'll be unbearable! I don't know why anyone would want to fly in a jet with 749 other people. It's beyond me!

Would it really be that diferent travel in a 748 with 400 pax or in a 389 with 700?
You just see your section (between galleys) of the aircrafs.... you're not exactly in the same cabin with the 700... so, I think the feel would be just like in a 747 cabin.
PS: 3 jetbridges would be appreciated though.  Wink

Regards:
A360


User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3238 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3345 times:

Quoting A360 (Reply 15):
3-3-3 in a 330-340 is cramped. More than 3-4-3 in a 777... But still less than a 2-4-2 in a 767... that must be unbearable.

I haven't had the "pleasure" to experience the above configs. However, I have got stuck in LH's Avros with a 3-3 (as opposed to the usual 2-3) config and it was a nightmare. Thankfully, the flights were only 2 hours long (FRA-EDI return). I really can't imagine doing a long-haul trip in equally cramped conditions though.

Tony



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User currently offlineIRelayer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1073 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3320 times:

Quoting SNATH (Reply 16):
However, I have got stuck in LH's Avros with a 3-3

Ouch...3-3 on an Avro...that is probably the worst config ever!

-IR


User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4511 posts, RR: 53
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3279 times:

Quoting RootsAir (Thread starter):
however if you look at this EK 777 interior pic you can see the layout is 3-4-3 the same as a 744....

You just realised this now? It's almost as popular as the NW DC9 threads on a.net these days...

Quoting A360 (Reply 3):
Are those seats thinner than other business class seats?

Having traveled in their C multiple times my opinion is that 1. the seats are a bit narrower than the Cradle seats they replaced and 2. they're not quite as nicely padded.

There isn't much luxurious about 2-4-2 business class across the main deck of a 744 - which is why I always opt for the upper deck!

Quoting GLAGAZ (Reply 5):
Surely that makes up for the poor legroom...

Actually they've got quite nice pitch if I'm not mistaken - its the seat width which is uncomfortable.

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 11):
Quoting SA7700 (Reply 10):
Does EK have 2 different seat configurations on their B773ER's?

= It has 3 I believe.

3 different seating configurations on the 773ER??? How many damn planes do they even have - 8 or something? Do the GECAS ones have a different configuration as compared to the Emirates-owned ones that are being delivered?

Quoting IRelayer (Reply 17):
Ouch...3-3 on an Avro...that is probably the worst config ever!

Agreed - experienced the pain of 3-3 on an RJ100 on Eurowings.



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User currently offlineSE210Caravelle From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 258 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3267 times:

Quoting A360 (Reply 15):
Would it really be that diferent travel in a 748 with 400 pax or in a 389 with 700?

Yes! Just knowing there would be 749 other people on the a/c scares me.  silly 

Quoting A360 (Reply 15):
I'm not sure if the 77W's don't have a slightly diferent 3 class layout than that of the 773A's, but I think so... that would make 3 seat configs (1 with 2 class, and 2 with 3 classes).

Oh okay. Yeah, I dunno either.

S E 2 1 0


User currently offlineQantas744ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1288 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3264 times:

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 18):
3 different seating configurations on the 773ER??? How many damn planes do they even have - 8 or something? Do the GECAS ones have a different configuration as compared to the Emirates-owned ones that are being delivered?

Hey, EK ONLY has a 3 class config. on all theire 777-300ER`S.
On the EK website the plane shown is a 777-300, but no ER! EK hasnt put the 300ER seat plan into the website yet.

Hope i helped you.  Smile

Cheers Leo



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User currently offlineAC330 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 335 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3194 times:

I went to Dubai in March of this year. Outbound was on a BA 747-400 in Y class in the center 4 section and I found it VERY uncomfortable. On the return I was on an EK 777-200 in the 2-4-2 configuration in the center 4 section and found it much more comfortable and spacious. GO Figure

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User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3131 times:
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Quoting Qantas744ER (Reply 20):
Hey, EK ONLY has a 3 class config. on all theire 777-300ER`S.
On the EK website the plane shown is a 777-300, but no ER! EK hasnt put the 300ER seat plan into the website yet.

Well according to the EK website, EK418/419 (SYD-AKL-SYD) is operated with B773ER's. No first class is offered. When did they receive their first 773ER's and why would they configure some of them in a 2 class config? Especially when they use them down to SYD - I am aware that the A345 also goes down to SYD daily, but still...


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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12102 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3087 times:
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Quoting Solnabo (Reply 6):
It looks cramped to me.

Well EK419 wasn't cramped to me last month, even on a near full B773ER

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 10):
Does EK have 2 different seat configurations on their B773ER's? I had a look at fares from SYD-AKL and see that First Class is not offered on this route

I was on EK419 last month and it was operated by a 3 class B773ER. It appears the same aircraft operates most of the AKL-SYD flights


User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3007 times:
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Quoting Qantas744ER (Reply 20):
Hey, EK ONLY has a 3 class config. on all theire 777-300ER`S.
On the EK website the plane shown is a 777-300, but no ER! EK hasnt put the 300ER seat plan into the website yet.

Hope i helped you.

Cheers Leo

Sorry Leo, but you are wrong there. If you look in the paperback Emirates timetable from March to October 2005 and you go to the back of the book you will see 2 different configurations for the 777-300ER. One with both business and economy and one with first business and economy.


25 Cricket : TG's regional 777-300's also have a very cramped 3-4-3 seating, and unlike EK which gives decent legroom, TG is truly cramped. I flew on such a aircra
26 Post contains images HS748 : Wow, 400 people on an HS748 would indeed be very different
27 Post contains images EI747SYDNEY : I'm 6ft and am travelling with EK in january. I hope I'm not going to be too cramped. I'm going to try my best for an upgrade. Does anyone know what t
28 Sparky747 : The EK 777's are much more comfortable on long haul than their A330's. I think the seats are the same as any other airline but the aisles are narrower
29 Speedbird128 : I flew these exact flights just under a weeks ago and they both had a 3-class cabin.
30 AADC10 : China Southern (CZ) also uses 777s with 3-4-3 seating in coach. Those southern Chinese tend to be short and skinny.
31 Lufthansa747 : TG's 777-300s have a very comfortable 3-3-3 seating and good seat pitch. TG's 777-200 (code 777) has a horrible 3-4-3 config.
32 Vasu : The config that always makes me cringe is the 3-3 in an Avro RJ100!
33 777boi : EK has both 2 and 3 class 773ER's. Of the first seven, three are high density and 4 are low density. I think it is the saturday morning BKK/SYD flight
34 Fly707 : EK B777 inner seats are not comfortable at all with 3-4-3 conig.
35 Anandt : 3-4-3 in EKs 777s is the stuff you want to avoid. It is very cramped however their A330 is a lot better with 2-4-2!
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