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Need For A Trans Atlantic Charter For ~120 People  
User currently offlineBTCCMan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2668 times:

I work for the US arm of a German company, based in the metro DC area. We have a need to attend a global meeting in Berlin in January and take approximately 120 people over for 5-6 days duration. Can anyone suggest whether the charter of an aircraft (given the probable four crossings that will be required due to the aircraft needing to return to its base of origin between the flights that we require) would be feasable economically? We are currently looking at $2K per ticket on existing carriers...
Thanks!

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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2650 times:

ask:

http://www.chapman-freeborn.com/

regards
Avianca



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32776 posts, RR: 72
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2633 times:

January is one of the absolute slowest travel times. You can easily find tickets in the $400-$500 r/t range between Washington and Germany. Going on Expedia, I just found $485 r/t IAD-FRA in the middle of January. Unless you need to get tickets in the premium cabin? Regardless, chartering an aircraft will probably cost more than $485x120.


a.
User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4682 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2612 times:

Quoting BTCCMan (Thread starter):

Not a charter, but you could request airlines to use bigger aircraft for the flights you need (maybe LH?).



Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlineDetroiter From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2557 times:

From experience the charter flight well be more expensive, I did a little fare research for you and I found that a RT ticket from IAD to BER on LH will be around $480 + tax for individual travels, it will be a little bet more for the group booking but in all cases it will be less than $1000 per PAX including all taxes. You can get this rate from any major consolidator. Let me know if you needed any help in this regards i have two offices in USA that can help.

[Edited 2005-11-15 22:22:20]

User currently offlineBigOrange From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2365 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2545 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
You can easily find tickets in the $400-$500 r/t range between Washington and Germany. Going on Expedia, I just found $485 r/t IAD-FRA in the middle of January. Unless you need to get tickets in the premium cabin?

Maybe you should read the original post again. They need to go to Berlin not FRA. They have 120 people, so they can't be looking at premium seats unless they are all going to travel separately.

BTCCMan, I would check with Miami Air. A B738 would be able to make it with a fuel stop somewhere, which is obviously more preferable than a plane change. Or you could try the LH group desk at 800-982-7681


User currently offlineMidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2536 times:

Quoting BTCCMan (Thread starter):
work for the US arm of a German company, based in the metro DC area. We have a need to attend a global meeting in Berlin in January and take approximately 120 people over for 5-6 days duration. Can anyone suggest whether the charter of an aircraft (given the probable four crossings that will be required due to the aircraft needing to return to its base of origin between the flights that we require) would be feasable economically? We are currently looking at $2K per ticket on existing carriers...
Thanks!

I would try Primaris

http://www.primarisairlines.com/index.aspx

Or MaxJet & just buy up the airplane:

https://www.maxjet.com

I know a Dispatcher at Primaris, & if you run into a brick wall, I may be able to get a contact for you a Maxjet..



Mike



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User currently offlineN801DM From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 103 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2374 times:

Try our B757 view and request a charter at www.n801dm.com.



Fly safe!

ns


User currently offlineFlyer732 From Namibia, joined Nov 1999, 1367 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2336 times:

North American Airlines 757 could do it...
215 seats including a first class cabin.


http://www.oxer.com/clients/naa2/charterusForm.asp

Fill out that form and they'll quote you a price.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32776 posts, RR: 72
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2332 times:

Quoting BigOrange (Reply 5):

Maybe you should read the original post again. They need to go to Berlin not FRA.

IAD-TXL still comes in at $485.

Quoting BigOrange (Reply 5):
They have 120 people, so they can't be looking at premium seats unless they are all going to travel separately.

Of course they can. There are charter carriers that specialize in premium aircraft configurations.



a.
User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2296 times:

Do you really think it's smart to put 120 of your employees on the same plane? A little bit of risk mgt seems warranted.

User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2290 times:

Guys, remember, even if you can find a low fare on the route, there is no way that there will be 120 available seats on any one flight at that price. Take multiple flights? That could create a logistics nightmare.

User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5162 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2289 times:

Many US charter carriers regularly take military charters to places in Germany. This might well give you the opportunity to fly your group on the otherwise-empty return leg of one of their flights or otherwise afford you the opportunity to have a reduced rate from the aircraft not having to ferry empty back across the Pond.

Those airlines would be North American in Jamaica, NY www.northamericanair.com (757s, 767s)

American Trans Air www.ata.com (737-800s, 757s, L1011s)

World Airways www.worldair.com (DC10s, MD11s)

Omni Air International http://www.omniairintl.com/ (757s, DC10s) Omni, in particular, does a lot of flights from BWI across the pond to Germany, so the repositioning cost, if you time it right, could be minimal.

Still, at $485 per round trip, you probably can't beat the majors. Where'd you get the $2K per person? If a travel agent told you that, I'd fire them and quick.

Best,

Bill


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17483 posts, RR: 45
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2280 times:

Email me--I have a lot of contacts precisely for this requirement.


E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineBigOrange From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2365 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2159 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9):
Of course they can. There are charter carriers that specialize in premium aircraft configurations

Yes, but you were talking about booking on Expedia not charters!

Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 11):
Guys, remember, even if you can find a low fare on the route, there is no way that there will be 120 available seats on any one flight at that price.

But anything over 9 seats has to be done with the airline's group desk so they would get 120 seats at one price.


User currently offlinePA101 From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 491 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2093 times:

As some people already mentioned, you'll hardly get 120 tickets on the same flight for the discounted $400-$500 fares.

As said, every groups larger than 9 people (Sabre and other reservation systems only show you and let you grab a max of 9 seats) usually require a group quotation from the carrier itself - my experience from working in a travel agency is that a group rate - that usually also allows further useful adjustements, such as name changes, free cancellations, possible stopovers for those that wish one etc. - comes in at around twice or 2.5 times the amount of the discounted rate. Thus, $ 1000 to $ 1250 per pax roundtrip could be a realistic fare. Since EastCoast to Europe is served my many carriers, it should be possible to get a group fare in that range. However, a transfer would even be required if taking DLs or COs nonstop services to TXL, since they only leave from JFK and EWR.

So a Charter - even though it might be somewhat dearer - could be the more conveniant option by taking you from IAD nonstop or direct ot TXL or SXF.


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