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How Is AirCanda´s YYZ-ZRH-DEL Flight Doing?  
User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6311 times:

Hi all,

well AirCanada is now serving since some weeks/days the DEL flight via ZRH with the B767-300 (AC-878 /YYZ-ZRH-DEL and AC-879 / DEL-ZRH-YYZ).

I am asking me how is AC doing on the route, better to say on every sector? Well I think the B767-300 is a little bit small for this route, as AirCanada has full rights on all sectors and ZRH is a reopened destination + Swiss is code-sharing on all flights. Swiss is also selling parts of the cargo capacities of the flights.

regards
Avianca


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User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5566 posts, RR: 36
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6291 times:

Actually I don't know and I think it is a bit early to say. It is interesting that ZRH is becoming a Canada-India hub. AC has its flights Toronto-Zurich-Delhi with Swiss code-sharing. LX has the flights Montreal-ZRH, ZRH-Bombay with AC code-sharing. As all four flights come in and leave at about the same time at ZRH you can change from one to all others in each direction.

[Edited 2005-11-16 00:11:28]

User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6225 times:

the intresting is that they plnd a similar operations two years ago via MUC.

But now it is ZRH and it seems very good desicion as mentioned due crossing of the destinations. AC and LX each are operating too two citys but can sell 4 citys.

cheers.
Avianca



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineGmonney From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2159 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6199 times:

I think its the goal to be a carrier that can get a ticket all the way to india, there are a lot of carriers connecting pax into India, ie: LH, BA, AF, AZ, KLM, and etc from YYZ, if AC can fill the route and keep the aircraft full and not use an A340 then this is a great option!

Grant



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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6188 times:

a question, if you buy your ticket yyz-del on LX

select &
continue
Swiss Airlines
Flight: 4641
(Operated by Air Canada)
Departs
Toronto (YYZ)
November 20
6:40 pm Arrives
Zurich (ZRH)
November 21 (Next day)
8:35 am Notes
Cabin class: J0 C0 D0 I0 Y0 B0 H0 G0 M0 L0 V0 U0 N0 K0 Q0
Meal:
Distance: 4045 mi
Stops: non-stop
Flight Time:
Boeing 767-300/ERBoeing 767-300/ER

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
( connecting to )
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Swiss Airlines
Flight: 4650
(Operated by Air Canada)
Departs
Zurich (ZRH)
November 21 (Next day)
9:45 am Arrives
Delhi (DEL)
November 21 (Next day)
9:50 pm Notes
Cabin class: J0 C0 D0 I0 Y4 B4 H4 G4 M4 L4 V4 U4 N4 K4 Q4
Meal:
Distance: 3827 mi
Stops: non-stop
Flight Time: 16:40
Boeing 767-300/ERBoeing 767-300/ER


thank have you to leave the airplane in ZRH do the transit and reboard, or did you get your seat assigned from YYZ till DEL as if you would travel with AC tickets?

regards
Avianca



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6152 times:

Quoting ZRH" class=quote target=_blank>ZRH (Reply 1):
It is interesting that ZRH is becoming a Canada-India hub

Canada-India Hub.... sarcastic 

From the passenger numbers, London followed by Frankfurt are connecting more people between India and Canada than any other destinations.

KAHALA77


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6141 times:

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 5):
Canada-India Hub....

still a small, but a hub for AirCanadas India operations.



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User currently offlinePomnath From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 6081 times:

Quoting Avianca (Thread starter):
Hi all,

well AirCanada is now serving since some weeks/days the DEL flight via ZRH with the B767-300 (AC-878 /YYZ-ZRH-DEL and AC-879 / DEL-ZRH-YYZ).

I am asking me how is AC doing on the route, better to say on every sector?

Most everything into and out of India, as well as within, is running full if it offers a decent rate and validated onboard service, in economy.

It is up front that counts, and that, I believe, is not doing too well on the DEL route.


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 6065 times:

Quoting Pomnath (Reply 7):
It is up front that counts, and that, I believe, is not doing too well on the DEL route.

well for the 21of November it seems not to bad in business look above...

the big + for AC is that they can sell tickets on 1 market more europe (same as NW and DL) than AA or CO.

cheers
Avianca



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineLFutia From Netherlands, joined Dec 2002, 3339 posts, RR: 27
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 6027 times:

hmm... looking at airfares... we might be flying ORD-ZRH (LH) and ZRH-DEL (AC) in August....

Leo



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User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5566 posts, RR: 36
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 6028 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 6):
still a small, but a hub for AirCanadas India operations.

Yes that is what I meant. I am aware that London and FRA have more passengers to India and Canada but not for AC (together with LX).


User currently offlineLongHauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4923 posts, RR: 43
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5969 times:

Just checked the loads on 878/879 for the next few days.

878 YYZ-ZRH-DEL has less than 5 open seats on most legs, and oversold on some.

879 DEL-ZRH-YYZ has about 4 - 30 open seats on some legs in economy and full in J.



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User currently offlinePomnath From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5951 times:

Quoting LongHauler (Reply 11):
and full in J.

The yields are what I meant. AC has been discounting their Business Class heavily on this route.


User currently offlinePlaneboy From India, joined May 2005, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5939 times:

Slightly OT, why does AC never considered operating into BOM or southern airports of India?

Also, they seem not to be operating to certain destinations of south-east asia as well (BKK, KUL, TPE). I am open to be corrected here.


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5777 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 8):
the big + for AC is that they can sell tickets on 1 market more europe (same as NW and DL) than AA or CO.

to qoute my own, and the big - for AC is that they can not offer DEL as Nonstop service as other are doing (AA, CO)



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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8548 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5770 times:
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Quoting Planeboy (Reply 13):
why does AC never considered operating into BOM

IIRC AC operated briefly into BOM years ago via LHR , I think the a/c continued on to SIN afterwards. At the moment lack of a/c is a problem for AC (though one we know is going to be fixed over the coming years  Smile ) so I think they will be quite happy to continue to codeshare on LX ZRH-BOM at least as an interim measure



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User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5410 times:

When AC gets their new B777s and B787s they will return to Mumbai (Bombay)

User currently offlineLH477 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 584 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5382 times:

Quoting Planeboy (Reply 13):
Slightly OT, why does AC never considered operating into BOM or southern airports of India?

Also, they seem not to be operating to certain destinations of south-east asia as well (BKK, KUL, TPE). I am open to be corrected here.

YYZ has a very very large punjabi population. Correct me if I am wrong but it has the largest sikh population in North America.



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User currently offlineOurboeing From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 475 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5312 times:

I flew the nonstop YYZ-DEL-YYZ because of it being nonstop. I think they will lose the market to so many other airlines. Why did they stop the nonstop flight? It was a full flight both ways.

Continental and AA are going to make a lot of money with their nonstop flights to DEL.

OURBOEING


User currently offlineLH477 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 584 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5184 times:

Quoting Ourboeing (Reply 18):
I flew the nonstop YYZ-DEL-YYZ because of it being nonstop. I think they will lose the market to so many other airlines. Why did they stop the nonstop flight? It was a full flight both ways.

The yields did not materalize. They decided to put the A343 on other routes which would get greater yields. Right now they have a dire shortage of LH fleet.



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User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5150 times:

Quoting LH477 (Reply 19):
The yields did not materalize. They decided to put the A343 on other routes which would get greater yields. Right now they have a dire shortage of LH fleet.

While the yields were not as favorable as some routes. It's been said many times on many threads...wrong aircraft for the route. Pure and simple.



Above and Beyond
User currently offlineCHI787ORD From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 517 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5017 times:

Quoting Planeboy (Reply 13):
Slightly OT, why does AC never considered operating into BOM or southern airports of India?

Not as many BOM expats in Toronto as the DEL expats

Quoting LH477 (Reply 17):
YYZ has a very very large punjabi population. Correct me if I am wrong but it has the largest sikh population in North America.

No. Largest PUNJABI metros in N. America (ranked): Vancouver, Toronto, New York, San Francisco, Chicago, Los Angeles, Houston, Detroit.


User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5088 posts, RR: 55
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4575 times:

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 15):
IIRC AC operated briefly into BOM years ago via LHR , I think the a/c continued on to SIN afterwards.

= Yes. They had a 74M routed YYZ-LHR-BOM-SIN and had full freedom rights on all sectors including BOM-SIN. Later, they dropped the BOM-SIN extension and used 767's before completely abandoning the route.

-A.



Live, and let live.
User currently offlineA319XFW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4474 times:

Never mind YYZ... I'm waiting for AC to open a route from YWG to Europe! (preferably to the UK or Germany  Smile) Perhaps when they get their 787's.....

User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4463 times:

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 22):



Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 22):
= Yes. They had a 74M routed YYZ-LHR-BOM-SIN and had full freedom rights on all sectors including BOM-SIN. Later, they dropped the BOM-SIN extension and used 767's before completely abandoning the route.

-A.

It's a little disingenuous to say that they had full fifth freedom rights since BA and SQ complained that AC was too successful picking up fifth freedom traffic and basically pushed AC off the route. The Brits went as far as to try and abrogate the Canada-UK bilateral... because it was more important to protect BA in those pre-Virgin days.


25 Abrelosojos : = I had no such motives. Why are people so damn defensive here? Anyways, I apologize - I was just stating a fact. -A.
26 9V-SPJ : AC also used L1011s at one point on the YYZ-LHR-BOM-SIN route. I flew on one way back in the 80s and early 90s from SIN to BOM and back. 9V-SPJ
27 LFutia : Any chance YYZ-ZRH-DEL will get upgraded to the A343 or A345 in the summer? Leo
28 9252fly : If I was to hazard a guess,don't be surprised if it gets upgraded to an A330.
29 FLYACYYZ : I would say the chances are nil. Loads to DEL drastically drop off during the summer time, which acoounted for the reduced frequency in recent years,
30 Klyk1980 : As November 12, the load was great, almost full flight from ZRH to YYZ. But right now the problem is, from DEL to ZRH, even for transit passnegers eve
31 Aseem : I'd be nice to see them RTW and I'm sure they already have it in their head, but then where are the planes. rgds VT-ASJ
32 LFutia : hmm well it looks like i'll be flying ORD-ZRH (Swiss) and then ZRH-DEL (Air Canada) in August... first time on both carriers... so i'm very curious to
33 Threepoint : Or, according to Yyz717, perhaps when hell freezes over. I think that eventually, YWG will warrant direct AC service to Europe as in days past, but r
34 Klyk1980 : Lfutia, In Zurich you should arrive at Terminal E, you need to take the terminal train for immigration, or just stay in Terminal E for transit. In ORD
35 Thenoflyzone : Do ALL the passengers on board the flight AC878 from YYZ to ZRH have to get out of the plane once in Zurich, or the ones continuing to DEL stay on boa
36 LFutia : oh im familiar with ORD... been through T5 myself.. im just wondering if we'll have to change terminals in Zurich for the delhi sector... i'll find ou
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