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All DL People Future In The Hands Of This Guy?  
User currently offlineGokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1123 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7306 times:

Well apparently he is Delta Master Executive Council chairman, but with people with attitudes like this, the DL pilots have no chance of getting what they want.Not to mention the terribble PR they are getting from the american public in support(or lack there of) for their "cause". Also I can't not believe this guy has the power to destroy a company and destroy the life of 40000+ employees life, if DL pilots strike and the company goes out of business it will directly and indirectly affect a great deal of people.
Here is the article but check out some of his quotes:
"This is not about revolution. It's about resolution," the chairman of the union's executive committee, Lee Moak, told the crowd. "We will take this company back. It will be returned to its rightful owner — the employees of Delta Air Lines."
Granted DL and every company alike is nothing with out their employees but isn't he being ridicilously communist like is that the attitude he should have.
and this gets the cake;"I would never bluff," Moak said. "I'm very direct. What I say is what I'll do." Great go ahead and destroy peoples lives to satisfy your ego, I don't how people like this gets these positions that have so much at stake.
P.S. In other threads people are talking why G W Bush doesn't interfere, or how the govt did interfere for AA. Is G W really this kind of Texas fanatic? Is this not getting the governments attention.

[Edited 2005-11-16 03:01:29]


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User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4970 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 7224 times:

Dude...relax.

It's politics, not reality. Don't try to be rational about politics. Extreme positions are part of the game. Everybody postures, and then, at the last minute, voila!, an agreement. If this guy actually caused a shutdown of the airline, he'd have to move to Botswana. People have long memories in Atlanta.


User currently offlineGokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1123 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7093 times:

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 1):
Dude...relax.

I wish you used that comment for Mr. Moak!
Who is he to say that "I'm very direct. What I say is what I'll do." Doesn't he know whats at stake?

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 1):
t's politics, not reality. Don't try to be rational about politics.

I know that much about politics believe me my point is his attitude, I find it very negative and destructive, Just what DL needs!



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User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7037 times:

Quoting Gokmengs (Thread starter):
It will be returned to its rightful owner — the employees of Delta Air Lines."

The shareholders be damned. Airlines, like all other companies, are to be run for the benefit of their investors.


User currently offlineOttoPylit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6898 times:

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 1):
If this guy actually caused a shutdown of the airline, he'd have to move to Botswana. People have long memories in Atlanta

 rotfl  That is the funniest thing I've read on here in a long time. But its totally true as well. If Delta were to shut down, he would have a bounty on his head extending from ATL north to CVG and west to SLC, basically country wide. Its either move to Botswana or pay for 24/7 armed security, complete with armored truck.



OttoPylit


User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6846 times:

I hope Capt Moak is right...would be nice to bring the company back to the Old Delta.

My dad was at the rally yesterday...said it was pretty good, fairley crowded...alot of pissed off folks. Simply put, they're tired of putting up with the crap. Rightfully so. So, here's Wednesday!

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineBucky707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1028 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6781 times:

Kinda ironic actually. Delta did everything they could to get rid of Malone and help get Moak in power, thinking he was a wimp. Guess what.....he's not.

User currently offlineGokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1123 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6717 times:

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 5):
My dad was at the rally yesterday...said it was pretty good, fairley crowded...alot of pissed off folks. Simply put, they're tired of putting up with the crap. Rightfully so. So, here's Wednesday!

No disrespect to your father but instead of putting up with what you call"crap" they will strike and be unemployed not to mention make thousands lose their jobs? is that his choice



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User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6706 times:

Unfortunately it's come down to being that choice, and I can speak from what he's told me and say yes. Quite a bitter pill to swallow though. He works outside DL as well, so it wouldn't be total unemployment.

I understood the mood at the rally to be complete frustration, at all the Crap that's been going on. (Yes, I said crap...what else would you call the latest happenings? Blessings? )

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineGokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1123 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6672 times:

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 8):
Unfortunately it's come down to being that choice, and I can speak from what he's told me and say yes.

That is really sad.

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 8):
He works outside DL as well, so it wouldn't be total unemployment.

Good for him. Too bad not all of them are that lucky.

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 8):
(Yes, I said crap...what else would you call the latest happenings? Blessings? )

You misunderstood me, I was referring to paycuts, which I thought what you were referring to by calling crap, sadly the company is going through hard times and DL pilots need to pitch in (don't get me wrong mgmt should too). I believe even with the paycuts they would be around the industry standarts am I wrong?



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User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 3964 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6656 times:

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 8):
Unfortunately it's come down to being that choice, and I can speak from what he's told me and say yes. Quite a bitter pill to swallow though.

That's a choice quite similar to that of a suicide bomber. Can't have it, so nobody can! Booom.


User currently offlineSkibum9 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6569 times:

Quoting Pope (Reply 3):
The shareholders be damned. Airlines, like all other companies, are to be run for the benefit of their investors

Come on Pope...get in board. Don't you know that the pilots don't care about the investors, let alone their fellow DL employees. You should be ashamed of thinking such thoughts! Everyone, either directly or indirectly contributing to an airline, employee or investor, should be looking to solely improve the lifestyle of the pilots! Come on it's a team effort!  banghead 



Tailwinds!!!
User currently offlineTL8490 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6414 times:

I am starting to think that Mr. Moak and the other pilots on here should follow their conscience. My feeling is...and it is only mine based on what I have read, is that about 20% of the pilots want to take down the airline. So when that 20% does not show up to work, Delta and the CUSTOMERS will be the big winner in the long run.

It's that same 20% that walks around with the stickers on their luggage and does not speak to passengers anyway...so let them go...I am sure there are a much greater number of Comair or ASA pilots that would rather work mainline anyway....

In a phase....FLY BE FREE ....LET THE OPPRESSION OF $100000 PAYCHECKS END!!!!


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11117 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6371 times:

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 8):
Unfortunately it's come down to being that choice, and I can speak from what he's told me and say yes.

If that is how Delta pilots feel, then they should go out on strike. It's unfortunate, but it's their feeling.

This whole moral dilemma some propagate -- about either side -- is unfair and unreasonable. If Delta pilots realistically believe that their best interests would be served by striking, and subsequently putting their employer out of business (most likely), then that is their opinion, their feeling, and their prerogative, whether we like it or not, and they have every right to it.

After having considered the ramifications for their families, their communities, their fellow Delta employees, and Delta's customers, and coming to their conclusion -- than they should do what they think is best, and then live with the consequences for themselves and others, whatever those may be.


User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2986 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6329 times:

Quoting Gokmengs (Thread starter):
It will be returned to its rightful owner — the employees of Delta Air Lines."

What a crock! No judge anywhere is going to "return" Delta to the employees.

Look at United, an "employee owned" company. Even their equity stake in the company didn't help them one bit when it came to layoffs, pay and benefit cuts, etc...

[Edited 2005-11-17 00:43:07]


Tired of airline bankruptcies....EA/PA/TW and finally DL.
User currently offlineGokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1123 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6257 times:

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 14):
Look at United, an "employee owned" company. Even their equity stake in the company didn't help them one bit when it came to layoffs, pay and benefit cuts, etc...

[Edited 2005-11-17 00:43:07]

I believe you man, and you can check out the link I thats exactly the words of the guy leading the pilots.
Guys by the way for everyone who is interested in this matter should read this DL F/A's post it is on an other thread.
Here is the thread:
Delta's Pilots Could Go On Strike (by Alberchico Nov 14 2005 in Civil Aviation)
and here is the post from DALIFS I hope he doesn't mind, but its the best post I have read about this issue
Posted by DALIFS on Nov 15, 2005
Okay. I am a fairly new member here and I will be careful not to let emotions spill into my comments too much. However, I am reading through all of the above observations and the bantering and I am amazed how little most know about Delta, our history and our culture. I may expand the “envelope” a little here, as much unpleasantness and several statements based on ignorance regarding pay cuts for all Delta workgroups have been brought up and compared by members in this thread.

I am a Deltoid with tenure of two decades. I was hired during very good times with enormous growth and wealth beyond belief. Our management teams of the old Delta were pro-employees. We were paid tremendous salaries (especially pilots and flight attendants) being at the top of the scales continuously in straight pay, while benefits, credit rigs etc. as “hidden” income were not always acknowledged as income but as entitlements.

A potential pilot strike action would, as we can all imagine, be the end of Delta. I can assure you though, while we do have some very radical pro ALPA not clear thinking pilots, you will see the majority of our cockpit crew members cross picket lines. They know they have had a phenomenal ride for decades. In my conversations with our cockpit crews, they are keenly aware that a strike will “restore the profession” straight to the unemployment office. There are very few pilot jobs to be had and a future without Delta employment means starting over the flying career with a low paying commuter, freighter or Middle East airline. Many of them have already done their homework and they are as scared as the rest of us. Have the pilots taken a huge pay cut? Sure, no question; but remember that the previous pay cut was not only straight pay cuts. A lot of the savings came from needed efficiency improvements, reduction of credit rigs…the hidden income I consider outdated entitlements.

Other workgroups made very similar sacrifices. Take the Delta flight attendants. Since July 1, 2004 and until the last pay cut effective November 1, 2005, Delta flight attendants have seen a straight pay reduction of 28.8%. This is excluding increases in healthcare and other benefits paid for by the individual. Was the cost reduction for In-Flight Service maybe justified? If we stand back and compare with pay and benefits offered by the LCCs, there was no way around it. I am expecting to retire from my employment with Delta and I am therefore expecting my management to make tough decisions to secure my job. If I do not agree… then I have a choice to make. Consider this, with all the reductions/cuts, a Delta flight attendant is still able to earn an annual salary of $65,000 – $70,000 if they are willing to work up to 18-19 days a month. I can guarantee you that many of our colleagues at the LCCs would be ecstatic if they had this earnings potential.

Delta management has for years been in a very interesting situation as salaries for lower, middle and upper-middle management was desperately out of touch with reality. As an example, for years, a supervisor would find him/herself receiving an income of $10,000 - $15,000 less annually than the employees supervised. To rectify this situation, the company conducted an enormous study benchmarking competitive salary targets for each management position (excluding directors and above). All other salaries were adjusted to meet competitive targets.

Okay this was long. However, the reason I went through this ranting was due to all the comments made about the pilot group being saddled with such high savings targets while other work groups have experienced less salary reductions. To me it is truly very simple; Delta is attempting to get each of the employee groups to competitive salary targets. This includes our precious pilots and flight attendants (of which I am one).

How does anybody expect Delta to compete with LCCs and restructured legacy carriers if our salary structure is based on past legacy glory? I must admit, I do find it absurd that salary cuts create such upheaval. Do I like it? Hell no. Do I want Delta to come back as a strong competitor and then reap the benefits again? Definitely. We all need to take these “blows” with discipline and as challenges to be overcome; we need to stop whimpering and get to work, we need to find “realistic” ways to save money and…. we always need to remember that our employment with Delta is our choice.



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User currently offlineSurfdog75 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 326 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6207 times:

Pretty one-sided discussion. It's very easy to want to give away other employees paychecks. What's not mentioned very often is that pilots are being singled out for extreme cuts while others are being treated with relative "kid gloves".

Any cut is painful, but pilots gave massively last fall and are being asked to give the lion's share again. The union has looked at the numbers and concluded these cuts are excessive and unnecessary for the company to be profitable. I'm not just talking about pay. They would like to give us the worst retirement system of any major airline. The company would also like to use this opportunity to outsource much more flying to the lowest bidder. More job losses would occur company-wide as we give away much more of our flying to the lowest bidder. How many are already gone since we started giving all our flying to the Chautauquas, Comairs, and Mesas of the world?

Everyone realizes times are harder than ever but management is using this as an opportunity to beat the employee groups (especially pilots) back to the Stone Age.

One thing not publicized is that the pilot group has pledged to try to protect fellow non-union employee groups when an inevitable merger occurs, and to fight for fellow employees pensions when the company tries to flush them. It's going to happen. Believe me, no one wants to kill the company, but we don't want to be steam-rolled either.


User currently offlineTL8490 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6179 times:

"the pilots have pledged to try to protect fellow non union employee groups...."

Now that is funny...the pilots are only out for themselves and no one else...this is too funny

One other thing...if you look at the cuts from the 1 billion dollar cut....some of them have not happened...my guess because the union is using some of its work rules to prevent some of the savings...SO stop talking about the Billion dollar cut...it was never completely realized....


User currently offlineSurfdog75 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 326 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6109 times:

Quoting TL8490 (Reply 17):
Now that is funny...the pilots are only out for themselves and no one else...this is too funny

One other thing...if you look at the cuts from the 1 billion dollar cut....some of them have not happened...my guess because the union is using some of its work rules to prevent some of the savings...SO stop talking about the Billion dollar cut...it was never completely realized....

Your post says nothing.

Quoting Gokmengs (Reply 15):
I am expecting to retire from my employment with Delta and I am therefore expecting my management to make tough decisions to secure my job. If I do not agree… then I have a choice to make. Consider this, with all the reductions/cuts, a Delta flight attendant is still able to earn an annual salary of $65,000 – $70,000 if they are willing to work up to 18-19 days a month. I can guarantee you that many of our colleagues at the LCCs would be ecstatic if they had this earnings potential.

You have much more confidence than I do in a management team that has such a poor track record. I don't want to downgrade any fellow employees, but the only reason a Delta F/A could make $65,000-$70,000 a year is to fly a huge amount of hours. These are hours other F/A's could have flown. Why do you think 2500 F/A's are being furloughed? These are some of the best, most motivated we have.


User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2986 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6109 times:

Quoting TL8490 (Reply 17):
"the pilots have pledged to try to protect fellow non union employee groups...."

How can the pilot group "protect" anybody? What an arrogant and irresponsible comment.

The bottom line is that the bankruptcy court is going to follow the law and place creditor and stockholder interests above all others.

Delta is a good place to work. We are in a time of shared sacrifice. These guys were for years the highest paid pilots in the world. If the pilots find they can no longer afford to work for Delta wages, they are free to move on.

The rhetoric displayed by this guy is just fluff...something to get the employees whipped up about something over which we have absolutely no control. Today our wonderful company is in financial turmoil and we need the cost of their services to be reduced.

It's unfortunate that these highly compensated, professional men and women are taking this all so personally. They want to protect their lifestyles. We all do. But right now, the survival of our company while is paramount.



Tired of airline bankruptcies....EA/PA/TW and finally DL.
User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6086 times:

The DL pilots would be shooting themselves in the foot if this guy leads them to a strike that kills the airline. After Eastern went under in 1991, Delta (along with just about all of the major airlines) wouldn't touch a Eastern pilot with a 10 foot pole for years (I knew one ex-EAL pilot [who was against the ALPA walkout] who finally got a flying gig 6 months after Eastern folded. Ended up flying for World and spent most of his time away from home. There are former Eastern pilots who never flew again after the airline folded.). You think any airlines would want to hire Delta pilots if they walk out and cause the collapse of Delta? Delta's pilots will pick up the impression of being troublemakers and would be lucky to get on with a fly by night airline. Everyone else at Delta has had to bear the brunt of the cost cutting, as they know that without it, they don't have jobs; so why can't the pilots see that as well.

User currently offlineSurfdog75 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 326 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6034 times:

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 19):
How can the pilot group "protect" anybody? What an arrogant and irresponsible comment.

OK, I choose not to flame you but, do you think the pilots and FA's at Northwest could have helped the mechanics when they were faced with the loss of almost half of their jobs?

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 19):
The bottom line is that the bankruptcy court is going to follow the law and place creditor and stockholder interests above all others.

Delta is a good place to work. We are in a time of shared sacrifice. These guys were for years the highest paid pilots in the world. If the pilots find they can no longer afford to work for Delta wages, they are free to move on.

Yes, there has been and will be many more sacrifices by the pilots. I choose to stay and try to keep this career worth having. Under this proposal by management a Delta 767 Capt will make less than an Airtran 737 Capt. It obvious they are determined to disproportionately target the only union on property.


User currently offlineTu154m From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 673 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6016 times:

Funny how no one mentions that AFTER the 32.5% paycut the pilots took last year they still remained the highest paid in the industry, while every other employee group at DL sank to the bottom of the barrel. Poor DL pilots........time to arrive in reality and sell your 3rd house, sports cars, and dump the mistress. The pilot group is as much to blame for the demise of DL as is management.


CEOs should swim with cement flippers!
User currently offlineDl757md From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1562 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5949 times:

Quoting Surfdog75 (Reply 21):
Under this proposal by management a Delta 767 Capt will make less than an Airtran 737 Capt. It's obvious they are determined to disproportionately target the only union on property.

WAAHH! A DL mech with 30 years working on 8 types of aircraft now makes around 30% less than an Airtran mech with 8 years working on two types. Your not the only ones having to sacrifice greatly to save Delta.

DL757Md

[Edited 2005-11-17 06:17:40]

[Edited 2005-11-17 06:18:41]


757 Most beautiful airliner in the sky!
User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2986 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5931 times:

Quoting Surfdog75 (Reply 21):
Under this proposal by management a Delta 767 Capt will make less than an Airtran 737 Capt. It obvious they are determined to disproportionately target the only union on property.

There's a major difference here. Airtran is profitable, Delta is not. Billion dollar losses every quarter are unsustainable. I've lived through demise of one employer, Eastern, and I don't want to go through it again. I respect your desire to hang onto a very lucrative career, but if this company fails there will be no career to pursue. If we don't get our costs way down, the company will almost certainly fail. Until very recently, you guys were the highest paid pilot group on the planet. When good times return, and they most certainly will, you'll be able to negotiate higher wages. The need for cuts is real and immediate.

We had a couple of years to prepare for these wages cuts. The writing was on the wall throughout the industry. Prudent individuals starting preparing for this years ago. I earned the same pay in 1995 as I do today. That's hard to accept as well.

For the sake of all of our careers, be part of the solution.

P.S. Be careful about revealing your identity in your profile. These boards are monitored by managers at the company. I know from personal experience.

[Edited 2005-11-17 06:23:51]


Tired of airline bankruptcies....EA/PA/TW and finally DL.
25 Peter : I agree that there's been a lot of negative stuff going on for employees recently, but we've got to stay within the realm of possibility. If the mone
26 LTBEWR : There has been a series of management, financial and labor decisions made in the last 20 years at a number of airlines that have led to their crises l
27 Aanyc : Delta pilots have already give $1 billion back to the company. Is that not enough? This is not the same old Delta that we all once knew. What is going
28 Bobnwa : LTBEWR, All good points you make. #4 particularly applies to NWA when it was taken over in a leveraged buyout led by Al Checchi and Gary Wilson. NWA w
29 Dl757md : How exactly does that apply to DL and what are Dl's pilots demanding be changed at the upper levels of management? To my my knowledge and correct me
30 Bucky707 : Would there be some crossing of picket lines? Yes, there is in every strike. But you are way, way off if you think the majority would cross. At Delta
31 Gokmengs : Excuse me so the other DL non-pilot employees didn't take paycut(s)? I don't think thats the case, what treatment are you talking about can you expla
32 WhiteHatter : snipped the rest, but a mature and sensible appraisal. Congratulations on immediately blowing your credibility. As for the union guy, what do you wan
33 Gokmengs : Read my post again before you start your name calling hot head! I said employees DO own the company, my point was Mr. Moaks attitude in handling it b
34 Surfdog75 : I realize we are not the only ones to sacrifice. Having worked at several carriers I know our mechanics are the best in the business. I also know you
35 Gokmengs : Hope you and your colleagues resolve the issue at hand and will have a win win situation, for both DL and its pilots. Having said that, I have a ques
36 Bucky707 : on the issue of outsourcing, I wanted to add that personally, that is the one thing in the company proposal that is an absolute no vote from me. 20% p
37 Fleet service : Why can't we know what you do for a living and have an opinion about it? You have no problem sticking your nose into the business of the Delta pilots
38 DeltaGator : Well I think you just hit on the core belief of a lot of unions. Workers unite against the big bad boss man. That said I think the pilots have somewh
39 Gokmengs : Because If I decide to quit/leave my job(strike) it wont result in thousands of people losing their jobs, thats why. And for crying out loud read the
40 Bucky707 : I think you will find very few pilots against taking a pay cut. Its the amount of the pay cut thats in dispute.
41 OttoPylit : I don't know. My original station was JAX. When I first began working there, we had ASA RJ's flying JAX-LGA routes. So Delta decided to bump up to MD
42 Gokmengs : Hey Otto nice to see you joining the conversation Thats good to know because I didn't know the affects of outsourcing flights to DL employees. I heard
43 Panamair : Obviously not; even the pilots admit that with the $91m they are offering!! Yeah, show me one airline which is the "same old airline we all once knew
44 Milesrich : "This is not about revolution. It's about resolution," the chairman of the union's executive committee, Lee Moak, told the crowd. "We will take this c
45 Post contains images Wjcandee : Maybe they should order 717s instead. Delta, after all, once flew DC9-30s, which were flown by mainline pilots. Sorry, couldn't resist.
46 Db373 : Oh my God. The pilots are terrorists!!!! Of course they have the right to strike and subsequently take down their company, but I have a right as well
47 Srbmod : And at the same time, they probably would not allow any DL Connection airline to fly them either. They raised enough hell about five years back in re
48 OttoPylit : Exactly. From the sources that I have spoken with, the mainline guys apparently seem to want to think that anything smaller than a 737 is below them
49 FlyPNS1 : Actually, the DL pilots really do want the EMB190 (or similar 100 seater). They've made it very clear to DL management that they want this plane. Wha
50 Post contains images DALIFS : Surfdog, I have been a bit busy and have not followed the different threads here on Airliners.Net. Tonight I clicked on this thread and was surprised
51 OttoPylit : Then what are the payrates? Its unlikely they can be less an OH and definately unlikely they would be less than RP. And you can't lock someone into a
52 Post contains images DALIFS : Aanyc... I am curious....what did you gain? Trust me, I am not a Lorenzo fan …believe me…. He was determined to bring down EA and consolidate int
53 FlyPNS1 : I've only see the proposal in paper copy, but for a 12th year EMB190 captain DL proposed a rate of $89. For comparison, here is the 12 year Captain's
54 OttoPylit : Key word-potentially. But MANY FO's, when seniority allows them to take a Captain position, may stay an FO to gain more seniority in order to wait fo
55 FlyPNS1 : It is competitive with JetBlue, but it is NOT competitive with other legacies. For example a 12 yr Captain at Continental would make $144 on the 737-
56 Surfdog75 : You have a good grasp of the issue. JetBlue also pays 1.5 x hourly rate for anything over 70 hours. The idea to lock someone into going 100 seat FO t
57 Post contains images DALIFS : Nothing personal either...but this was the union rhetoric I grew up with. However, I do not see productivity as a negative, even when it creates redu
58 OttoPylit : Its been made clear that our competition is not other legacies, it is the LCC's. With DL having the most LCC competition in comparison with other leg
59 Dl757md : I'd be ecstatic to take JetBlue's AMT wages. They just got a raise to $33/hr. I believe that is base base pay but I'm not sure. My total (base pay pl
60 Bucky707 : I don't know one pilot that does not want the 100 seater at the mainline. Further, most want to negotiate to fly the 79 seater that Delta wants for D
61 Bucky707 : Hmm, ask the people in Reno about that. Delta pulled out all the flights and it became a Skywest station. Now we are back, and it is still a Skywest
62 TL8490 : Bucky707 I have to agree with you ...Look at BUF...They lost mainline, it became a Comair station....after a few months they went back to a couple mai
63 OttoPylit : Haha, nice try Bucky. You are correct about RNO, but you are also missing out the entire northwest like GEG, PSC, BOI, BZN, HLN and BUT. They were al
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