MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31806 posts, RR: 72 Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6017 times:
Quoting Petazulu (Reply 4): no doubt NYC. I can't believe that would not be obvious to most anyone. Largest metro area by a mile, busines capital, tourist capital, international gateway, etc...
One could easily argue it is Los Angeles. Firstly, two of NYC's largest O&D markets, Boston and Washington, get just as much rail travel as they do airplane travel, that right there cuts into the numbers. Considering that NYC is in a much more dense region than LA, and closer to many other large markets, like Philadelphia, Boston, etc., air travel might not be as crucial a need. I'm not saying NYC isn't the largest, it probably is, but it wouldn't shock me if it was LA.
Dartland From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 641 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5740 times:
Exactly. NYC by far, but I wouldn't be surprised if places like MCO and LAS were very high on the O&D list even though they have much smaller populations (compared to places like ORD and ATL, which have such high transfer volume, but may have lower O&D traffic).
Kahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5679 times:
Los Angeles Markets:
New York City Markets:
Washington D.C. Markets:
It can near easily be found that Los Angeles is the largest "market" in the United States. New York is close, yet the number from the Los Angeles area airports are greater than those of the New York area airports. One thing to take into consideration are the throngs of flights from Asia which rely near solely on LAX O/D traffic. Part of the Los Angeles regions huge numbers are due to Southwest Airlines Focus City at LAX, and sizeable operations at Orange County, Burbank, and Ontario. From which all Southwest Airlines LA area airports operate 3-4 hourly flights on a North-South California corridor, and East-West Las Vegas/Phoenix corridor.
Please review the following link if you have any questions as to why New York City isnt even on the map!
Kahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5645 times:
Quoting COfaninBOS (Reply 11): Where is Islip on Long Island?
Where is Atlantic City?
Where is New Haven?
Where is Westchester County?
Read the FAA statistics....
Islip, ask anyone and they will say that Islip is a gateway to Long Island, not New York City. Southwest Airlines has never once advertised Islip as a New York gateway. If you included all the airports within an hour and a half from Los Angeles, Los Angeles would be on top of New York with ease.
Atlantic City, is not even near NYC, it is closer to Philadelphia than New York. In addition Atlantic City has and never will be associated as a gateway to New York City.
New Haven, is it even worth it to add the near zero number of passenger movements?
Westchester, well you could add Westchester, then again it has embarassing numbers when compared with the Los Angeles region!
COfaninBOS From United States of America, joined May 2004, 287 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5620 times:
Dude, you stretch the truth to fit your argument more than any other poster on here.
I don't care if Southwest doesn't market Islip as a "gateway" to Manhattan, it is an airport that serves people who live in Metropolitan New York City! get back to me when you think the people who live in Garden City, Hempstead, Amityville, Babylon, Massapequa, etc... think they live in a metro other than New York.
Funny too how you suggest that normal folks would fly into Orange County as a gateway to Los Angeles but someone from Queens or Brooklyn might not make the trek out to Islip to fly WN down to Florida.
Quoting COfaninBOS (Reply 15): Dude, you stretch the truth to fit your argument more than any other poster on here
Dude.... Read the thread starter... Dude...
Quoting COfaninBOS (Reply 15): Funny too how you suggest that normal folks would fly into Orange County as a gateway to Los Angeles but someone from Queens or Brooklyn might not make the trek out to Islip to fly WN down to Florida.
Orange Coutny has and always will be a gateway to the Los Angeles region. Orange County, if you dont recall, is neighboring to Long Beach, of which Jet Blue has its Los Angeles area base. In addition you forget Orange County is the gateway to some of the Los Angeles regions most affluent areas - Laguna Niguel, Laguna Beach, Newport Beach, and Costa Mesa. You may want to tell the people at Jet Blue that they dont fly to the Los Angeles region. They may want to rethink their marketing...
You may actually want to visit New York City, for once in your life. Your remark shows at how you have a severe lack of knowledge about New York City and the airports in its buroughs. La Guardia, is in Northern Queens. JFK, is on lower Queens, bordering on Kings County (Brooklyn). No I do not know one person that would drive past La Guardia, or JFK on their way to get to Islip...
COfaninBOS From United States of America, joined May 2004, 287 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5526 times:
You are wrong. The numbers simply don't lie. Thanks for playing.
Additionally, you might want to wake up to reality. If you think people who live in Laguna Beach are more connected to downtown Los Angeles than the people in Suburban Long Island are to Manhattan, then you need more help than I could even imagine.
Do you know that Queens and Brooklyn are located ON LONG ISLAND? There's no body of water that seperates the boroughs from the suburbs. They are physically adjacent and the communities are connected via the Long Island Expressway as well as via commuter rail.
That's right, O&D. Not the connection inflated numbers that appear on airport statistics. The tables on the BTS website are good for nothing in this case.
I suspect not only NY is the largest, but when it comes to travel dollars, it beats by a very large amount L.A. because of much greater premium traffic.
25 Timz: The questioner asked about O&D passengers, and nobody has quoted him any O&D numbers yet. As I recall has them somewhere, but I forget where. If anyon
26 MAH4546: The US Census totally redesigned metro definitions. They are now: 1) NYC - 18.6M 2) LA - 12.7M 3) Chicago - 9.2M 4) Philadelphia - 5.7M 5) Dallas - 5
27 COfaninBOS: Kahala- Are you 12? There were nearly EIGHT MILLION more passengers at JFK, EWR, and LGA in 2004 than the 6 largest LA area airports combined. Additio
28 Kahala777: Los Angeles is and has been one of the top O/D in the U.S. for a number of years. Los Angeles is not a "connecting" airport like Newark or JFK for Con
29 Timz: Looks like LAS is the largest O&D airport, if I'm reading this right (1st quarter 2005): http://ostpxweb.dot.gov/aviation/domfares/tab7051.txt (Looks
30 SRT75: With all due respect to Kahala777 and all the Kahala777-bashers, nobody has actually answered the question -- largest O/D market. I am familiar with L
31 727EMflyer: Lets move this away from NY and LA. How about Las Vegas and Orlando? Look at the statistics Kahala quoted. The statistics are for enplanements.... whi
32 N770WD: O&D Passengers, YE 1Q 2005, DOT Report. Figures are per day, origin and destination only, non-directional. New York area: LGA 121,092 daily passengers
33 Kahala777: N770WD, Great information, where did you find it? I would be very interested to see what other figures they have as well! 727EMFLYER, It has been said
34 COfaninBOS: If you do the math, then the 3 major NYC airports handle 4,506,420 more O & D passengers a year than the top five LA area airports.
35 Kahala777: To my error, you have made your point. Very understandable. However, it is amazing that LAX handles the numbers of Newark and La Guardia combined and
36 COfaninBOS: Because Southwest offers really cheap fares. Additionally, on WN's own website, you'll find that the airline does market Islip as a way to NYC. There'
37 Kahala777: What you are saying makes perfect sense. However, Angelinos, fondly refer to Orange County as the most relaxed of Los Angeles areas. Hotel companies
38 MAH4546: Thanks for the info. Do you have a link? If your gonna include MHT and PVD for BOS, though, then adding ISP and HPN for NYC and PBI in for Miami woul
39 N770WD: I use Seabury APGdat, an airline planning tool. APGdat automates access to route and network information, sorting and presenting data for schedules,
40 Dartland: Actually, MHT and PVD are considered part of the Boston-Metropolitan area by the US Census, and definitely draw people from Boston as alternative airp
41 Lemurs: I know there is no scheduled service out of TEB, but the amount of private charter traffic that goes out of there is scary. I know VNY has almost twic
42 Letsgetwet: Thank You for settling this argument N770WD ! Nice job.
43 Blackhawk144: IAD is a solid 1 hr. 30 mins. to 2 hours from Washington DC, I suppose you wouldn't count that? Anthony
44 Kahala777: What mode of transport do you have? A Ford? KAHALA777
45 MAH4546: Correct, it doesn't draw much from MIA. However, it draws a lot from FLL and visa-versa, probably in the same range that PVD draws from BOS.
46 STT757: Not to start another argument but last February I wanted to visit the new Air and Space annex at IAD, I left my home in Central New Jersey at about 9
47 N1120A: If you are going to include IYK in those totals, you have to add in OXR, SBA, BFL and others. The main Los Angeles area airports are LAX, BUR, LGB, O
48 AA777: It took me 35 minutes to get from IAD- to Washington DC today....... its 1.5 hours if you're in a traffic jam. Take it from a washingtonian who drive
49 DarthRandall: Tupac and Biggie are dead, people! Give it a rest already.
50 SkyHigh777: IAD is not 1.5 hrs from Washington, DC. As stated, it takes about 35 minutes...but traffic can really get horrendous on the beltway. I live in Potomac
51 Vegasplanes: Table 7: Top 10 Airports Ranked by August 2005 Domestic Enplanements Excel | CSV Aug 2005 Rank Airport Name Aug 2005 Passengers Aug 2004 Rank Aug 200
52 Rampart: I've been a LA metro resident (North Hollywood) and NY metro resident (Essex and Morris Counties in NJ), so I'm familiar with what might be considered
53 BigB: depends where ya at in CT. Where I'm at, PVD or BDL are my main airports.
54 PlanesNTrains: Very nice. It was amazing how the "tone" changed as soon as you posted the numbers. Thank you! -Dave
55 Travelin man: I am surprised the Bay Area (SFO, OAK, SJC) is not up there.
56 Timz: Those O&D counts in reply 32-- they're international and domestic, total? Total of both ways, arriving plus departing? Daily average for the year ende
57 N770WD: It should have been -- my apologies. No wonder Dulles looked high compared to the rest -- it's after SFO/SJC/OAK. SFO 89,444 OAK 69,974 SJC 51,509 To
58 ModernArt: The numbers from post 32 seem inflated. (NYC) 311,127 x 365 = 113.5 million posted elsewhere that NYC handles approx 94 mil/pax per year. What's the d