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Where Have The MD-90's Gone?  
User currently offlineNWA1978 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 66 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4417 times:

I have been reading some old threads about the MD-90 and how some operators want to get rid of the "oddball" of the fleet. My question is where are the planes current at? I dont mean one by one as in airline X has one in service. I know that delta has 16 of them, but from what I can find on the net, over 100 of them were built. Although the big carriers have no use for them, with over 100 out there, it could be a large fleet for a LCC. Just curious.

I have also read that MD-90's have no second hand value. Is the value of these really that bad due to the small numbers of them out there? How bad is bad in dollars?

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User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4381 times:

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Where have all the MD-90's gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the MD-90's gone?
Long time ago
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used to fly them every trip
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Gone to deserts every one
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Gone to fuellers every one
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Where has all the Spirit gone?
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Outta the fleet at the end of the month
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User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4368 times:

SAS just sold some to Hello. Three more MD-90s escaping the dustbowl.

Quoting NWA1978 (Thread starter):
I have also read that MD-90's have no second hand value.

Bull.

They have a value, just not that great due to scarcity of numbers and odd engine type. That makes them harder to resell.

It's a shame Mad Dog was murdered by Boeing, if they had managed to survive and work out the MD-90 problems with some more fleet orders then they would have been truly great planes. Quiet and economical, with the V2500 which went on to be a superb engine on the A320 family after early difficulties.


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4336 times:

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 2):

It's a shame Mad Dog was murdered by Boeing, if they had managed to survive and work out the MD-90 problems with some more fleet orders then they would have been truly great planes.

They would have also been truly great compeditors to the 737-700  Wink


User currently offlineA350 From Germany, joined Nov 2004, 1100 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4325 times:

I always wonder why no airline is doing the opposite and tries to buy as many 2nd hand MD-90s as possible. It has often been said that its operation economics are great, just the fleets are too small for being economic. That could be fixed by acquiring more frames; and it would be a nice opportunity to get modern airplanes for a fair price.

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User currently offlineNWA1978 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4243 times:

Quoting A350 (Reply 4):
I always wonder why no airline is doing the opposite and tries to buy as many 2nd hand MD-90s as possible. It has often been said that its operation economics are great, just the fleets are too small for being economic. That could be fixed by acquiring more frames; and it would be a nice opportunity to get modern airplanes for a fair price.

Thats what I meant by low second hand value and a fleet for a LCC. I agree that the low numbers pose a problem if we had ten operators and each had ten frames. Not exactly the ideal situation, but if someone picked up more frames as A350 said, it seems as if it would make a great fleet. Although delta is not exactly trying to give them away, if someone wanted all 16 of them, I am 99% sure they would be sold. With airlines such as Allegiant, it seems they get more MD-80's by the hour! So it would seem like a great fit for someone like them.

I also read the other day on this forum that planes usually lease for 1% of their value per month. Is this true? I dont know what an Md-90 has for value, but I would assume it would be somewhat comparable to the newer MD-83's that allegiant acquires.

[Edited 2005-11-17 03:29:30]

User currently offlineSpacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3606 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4197 times:

Quoting NWA1978 (Thread starter):
I have been reading some old threads about the MD-90 and how some operators want to get rid of the "oddball" of the fleet. My question is where are the planes current at?

http://www.jal.co.jp/en/aircraft/aircraft/jal_13.html

Still flying 16 of 'em... planning on keeping them at least through 2007 too!

Book your Tokyo-Osaka flight today!

Between JAL and Delta, that's 32 out of 100 accounted for. No idea of the others.



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User currently offlineLevent From France, joined Sep 2004, 1718 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4187 times:

A number of MD-90's fly in Taiwan, UNI Air (operating for EVA Air) is one of the airlines using them there.

User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2940 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4184 times:

SV, MU, CJ/CZ have sizeable fleet and they aren't going anywhere for now. Both Chinese carriers can use every aircraft they can get.
JL isn't going to get rid of them until at least the less efficient MD-80s are gone.
Thus there's really no second-hand market because there weren't many built in the first place. Other than the ex-AA and ex-SK ones, there's not much more the be accountable for.


User currently offlineGrantcv From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 430 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4124 times:

I flew on a Delta MD-90 a few weeks back. It looked like it was ready for the scrapyard it was so dilapidated. Also, I found the small overhead bins and general feel of the interior to be somewhat dated compared with the recent products from Boeing and Airbus. I don't know why anyone would seriously consider building a fleet of them.

User currently offlineNWA1978 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4060 times:

Delta is currently in the process of putting new interior in their md80/90 fleet so although you may have been in one with outdated interior, that will soon change.

User currently offlineJHSfan From Denmark, joined Apr 2004, 469 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3812 times:

Using the aircraft database on JetPhotos.net the distribution of active MD-90's is:

China Eastern Airlines: 10
China Southern Airlines: 12
Delta Air Lines: 16
Eva Air: 2
Far Eastern Air Transport: 2
Hello: 1
Hello AG: 2
Japan Airlines: 16
Nordic Airlink: 1
Saudi Arabian Airlines: 28
Scandinavian Airlines: 7
Uni Air: 9

Please notice that the database was last updated January 15, 2005!
Anyone tried Airfleets.net?

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User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3745 times:

Hi NWA1978!  Smile

Well Lion Air and China Northern, BritishJet also have fleets of MD-90's too  cloudnine  . And Iceland Express and Ghana Int'l Airways are acquiring some in the near future  Smile (leased from Hello and ex.SAS models respectively)

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China Northern = (flying with China Southern in CJ colors)


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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8189 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3737 times:

They've gone to SLC, that's where  silly 


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