TG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10 Posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3319 times:
Unfortunately Air NZ has terminated services to Taipei for good and NZ metal will no longer be seen there. When the EVA-Air NZ airshare venture ends in March 2006 the NZ code will no longer appear at all to Taipei.
While the fact that Shanghai services will commence in late 2006 gives the impression that some political reasons were behind the withdrawal, it appears that TPE was the least profitable route in the network following a large decline in Taiwanese migration and tourism to New Zealand. I can well believe this as the TPE flights I've crewed this year have been on the whole pretty empty.
It's never nice to see a destination go, and I'll miss TPE. Hopefully conditions will improve in the long-term and we can go back there one day.
TPEcanuck From Taiwan, joined Oct 2005, 89 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3288 times:
It's ironic, this morning as I woke up listening to the radio I heard about a NZ Cheese event sponsored by NZ.
I guess if it's mostly a leisure market (and perhaps only 1 way at that) or people travelling home, it doesn't generate a lot of customers. I think SQ has pretty cheap prices on the route with a stop in Singapore, which for me was attractive the 2 times I've travelled to NZ as I could visit friends in S'pore along the way.
Ahhh, one less international carrier for TPE. Now we have more reason to choose airlines with the advanced ability to use taxiways for take-off. (SQ with great tragedy, and CI and BR without in Anchorage) Great.
Someone may jump on me for that...I suppose it could happen to anyone, and in TPE, SQ said the runway markings, lights and lack of ground radar meant TPE is not quite up to international standards. Ok, perhaps it was true then, perhaps true today. Does anyone know?
Laxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25512 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3188 times:
The Taiwan market has become quite a unique one in recent year. Both from a passenger and cargo point of the view the market is quite strong, however yields are quite terrible in both areas.
The low yield environment for the most part has been created by the very high capacity China Airlines and to a lesser extent EVA Air have in the markets. Both carriers on the passenger side regularly offer as standard business practice rates that would be considered bulk rates including heavy discounts in premium classes. On the cargo side the recent sizable buildup in freighter capacity by both China Air Cargo and EVA Cargo are creating strong downward pressure on rates.
Hence, Taiwan has been a market that has experienced reductions in service by foreign passenger and cargo companies in recent years.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
Trex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4774 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3097 times:
Quoting TPEcanuck (Reply 1): Ahhh, one less international carrier for TPE. Now we have more reason to choose airlines with the advanced ability to use taxiways for take-off. (SQ with great tragedy, and CI and BR without in Anchorage) Great.
what BR incident at ANC are you talking about???
back on topic, wouldn't a flight to NZ with a stop say in Queensland (BNE, CNS etc) make more sense
FlyingHippo From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3033 times:
Sigh... It really makes me sad to see how far TPE has fallen out of the international travel. Before, we had BA, AA, CO, NZ, Swiss, etc, coincided with it's economy hitting on all cylinders in the late 80s and early 90s.
Now, look at TPE... NZ is pulling out completely, AA no longer flies there, NW cut it's flights, and UA no longer flies there direct... Makes me sad...
Gardermoen From Australia, joined Jul 1999, 1522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2861 times:
Sort of expected this. I remember months ago NZ did expect to trim on loss-making routes, and I thought TPE would get the chop.
What a far cry from 1991 when the route was launched - it was a big money maker back then. NZ even went up to 4 a week I think, two non-stops and two via Brisbane.
Interesting how times have changed, for example TPE was added and ADL was dropped- now it is the exact opposite.
I hope that EVA will maintain year-round services now. I have seen their 767s at AKL on a few occasions, nice to know they have upgraded to the 330.
Other notable withdrawals from TPE are Qantas/Australian Airlines, and Lufthansa/Condor.
TG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2798 times:
For those of you wondering about the NZ/BR relationship - until 2002 NZ and BR operated a three times weekly airshare joint venture - NZ metal would operate on Monday, BR on Weds, NZ on Friday, for example. In 2002 this was replaced with a six-monthly operational rotation (NZ operated April-October, BR operated November-March)
Quoting IL96M (Reply 11): Quoting TG992 (Thread starter):
It's never nice to see a destination go, and I'll miss TPE
No you won't. Taipei is an awful place - Shanghai by comparison is like NY of the East!
How arrogant of you to assume that your impression of Taipei is shared by everyone. On my six visits so far this year I've found it a vibrant, bustling place.
Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 6): This has a lot to do with NZ and their new service to Shanghai!
On the contrary - it has nothing to do with it. Several carriers operate to China and Taiwan without any political problems at all.
TG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2385 times:
Quoting ETA Unknown (Reply 18): TG992- what are you smoking? Taipei a nice place?!? Are you kidding?
I've been to over 50 countries and the city of Taipei ranks as one of the worst on my list, after Lusaka.
Yes, but my post didn't say "ETA Unknown will miss Taipei", did it?
I'm sorry you didn't appreciate Taipei, but I did.
Note sure what either of these posts have to do with the thread. Were you both frequent travellers on AKL-TPE? Is that why it's cancelled?
This is an aviation site. If you didn't enjoy Taipei, please find a site where you can post your city reviews!
In my experience, the enjoyment or lack thereof of a foreign city is more a reflection on the TRAVELLER than the destination. It's too bad that both of you missed one of Asia's more vibrant cities with a Chinese food culture second to none. But I guess you are the types of travellers who know everything about your destination within 2 minutes of leaving the jetway.
Planemanofnz From New Zealand, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 1676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2246 times:
Sad to see NZ leave TPE. This means that untill Shanghai comes on the network in November *or around that time* next year, we will only be seeing 3 asian countries being served by NZ. On another note it is great news to see another new airline at AKL and another airline operating the A330!
: BR is not really a new airline as BR have been operating to AKL for a few years now, previously with B763s and now A330s
26 ETA Unknown
: TPE is a smog-polluted city with virtually nothing to see. Sad, but true. Many years ago EVA tried to lure some Royal Brunei 767 first officers (even
: So I guess you don't like LA, NY, Hong Kong, MEX, GRU, DEL, BOM, PEK, PVG, etc., etc. eh? All of these cities have air polution problems and smoggs,
28 ETA Unknown
: Actually Hippo, all those cities have things to see, so that compensates for the black smog. By the way, LAX/NYC/HKG/DEL/PEK/PVG are brilliant- there
: I've been to both MEX and TPE (I'm on vacation here now), you must be smoking, especially comparing Lusaka with TPE, how long have you actually been
: ETA, I'm not arguing! You certainly have a right to your opinion. But I would like to extend an invitation to you to come to Taipei so I can show you