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GOL's Future Destinations  
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2748 times:

After posting yet again 3Q profits of about USD 50 million http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/2414002 , and taking into account that RG today posted a 3Q loss of USD 175 million, GOL's VP stated that "GOL is prepared to take over RG's domestic and regional (i.e. intra Latin American) routes". He also informed that GOL's future destinations will be as follows:

Until Dec/05-Jan/06: COR and ROS in Argentina, MVD, and ASU. VVI was added to the network this month. [COR was served by RG until mid this year].

2006-2007:
Domestic: Santarém, Imperatriz, Presidente Prudente, Altamira, Bauru, Carajás, Marabá, Montes Claros and Juazeiro no Norte; also to reinforce with added flights some domestic routes already served by GOL.

International: SCL, BOG, CCS, LIM, GYE.

In addition, until 2007 GOL will establish a LCC in Mexico, with its hub in CUN.

http://noticias.uol.com.br/economia/...alor/2005/11/17/ult1913u41202.jhtm

Rgs,

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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8974 posts, RR: 39
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2737 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Thread starter):
GOL's VP stated that "GOL is prepared to take over RG's domestic and regional (i.e. intra Latin American) routes". He also informed that GOL's future destinations will be as follows:

Too bad for them it ain't happening.

Nobody is going to deny they can't take over RG's routes because they all want those routes.

Domestic wise, only JJ can (barely). GOL does not have even close the fleet necessary.

As far as international goes, outside South America, nobody can in the medium term. Unless they take over RG's aircraft and crew temporarily (at least 2 years, IMHO).

Cheers



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User currently offlineBoeingBus From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1597 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2737 times:

I noticed MVD is not on their website... anyone know when they will start selling tix online?


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User currently onlinePZ707 From Paraguay, joined Mar 2005, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2706 times:

I have a doubt: We all know that GOL sells tickets on the internet or maybe by phone using credit cards. Now, i´m from Paraguay (next int´l destination is ASU) and here only a very very low percentage of the population have internet connections and credit cards. Basically and traditionally, airline tickets sales are thru travel agents, more than this, the airlines who have offices in Paraguay are channeling their sales trough travel agencies. To be honest, i highly doubt a GOL success in Paraguay . I think the market is not prepared for that kind of sales/purchases. The only way i can see a good result is if they sell tickets thru the travel agencies and that is completely the other way of their operations in Brazil.

User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2676 times:

Quoting PZ707 (Reply 3):
The only way i can see a good result is if they sell tickets thru the travel agencies and that is completely the other way of their operations in Brazil.

I agree with your point! With adding new interantional destination I can imagine that they will also sell tickets via agencies...



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User currently offlinePdpsol From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1120 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2667 times:

Quoting PZ707 (Reply 3):
I think the market is not prepared for that kind of sales/purchases. The only way i can see a good result is if they sell tickets thru the travel agencies and that is completely the other way of their operations in Brazil.

My prediction: local agencies in Paraguay will get [or already have] internet connections and will book flights for locals. The efficiencies are so high relative to PZ that it makes sense.


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2616 times:

Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 5):
local agencies in Paraguay will get [or already have] internet connections and will book flights for locals.

Agree. This is also done in Brazil. Also:

1. when GOL started its operations in Brazil the majority of bookings were made by telephone and not by internet (now about 80% of bookings are done online). Maybe GOL will sell the majority of its tickets in Paraguya thourgh telephone operations;

2. I'm sure GOL is counting on business / corporate pax for ASU (in Brazil 60% of GOL's pax are business / corporate), and I guess the percentage will be higher in Paraguya. Usually this profile of customer has access to the internet and bookings are even done by the company.

3. I assume the majority of pax to ASU will be Brazilian, about 60 to 70%, so no problem with internet connection.

Rgs,


User currently offline123 From Bolivia, joined Nov 2003, 747 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2521 times:

Quoting PZ707 (Reply 3):
To be honest, i highly doubt a GOL success in Paraguay

On the contrary, I think flights to-from Asunción are simply too expensive. I will give you an example: PZ has the monopoly (codeshare) from CBB/VVI/ASU/VVI/CBB. That flight costs over USD 430.-, which is horrendous for such a short flight.

I think GOL will make PZ reconsider their sale prices for at least ASU-VVI-ASU, because if GOL is smart they would offer a schedule constellation that combines good connection flights from VVI to ASU / viceversa.


I am fond that this problem is also for other routes to/from ASU, flights are just too expensive, so GOL entering ASU should be greeted with a red carpet.

PZ is excellent in service and ontime service, and also excellent in emptying your pockets due to their high fees.


User currently offlineBrasuca From Brazil, joined Mar 2004, 717 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2508 times:

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 1):
As far as international goes, outside South America, nobody can in the medium term. Unless they take over RG's aircraft and crew temporarily (at least 2 years, IMHO).

GOL stated that they're in no way interested in VARIG's long-haul flights. Otherwise, they say they can and want to serve today all VARIG's South America routes.

I just wonder if they would deal with pax from GRU to CCS with a 40 Kg of Nutri-Grain cereal bars.



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User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2494 times:

Quoting PZ707 (Reply 3):
Now, i´m from Paraguay (next int´l destination is ASU) and here only a very very low percentage of the population have internet connections and credit cards.

Actually Gol's website and even counters do not accept foreign issued Visa and Mastercard. To me it is puzzling that an airline that has floated shares in New York won't take most foreign credit cards. They are not as advanced and lean as they want to come across - just look at how slowly their check in lines snake through.



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2482 times:

Quoting Incitatus (Reply 9):
Actually Gol's website and even counters do not accept foreign issued Visa and Mastercard. To me it is puzzling that an airline that has floated shares in New York won't take most foreign credit cards.

GOL website takes foreign issued American Express cards.

TAM and RG dont accept ANY foreign issued credit card.

Quoting Incitatus (Reply 9):
They are not as advanced and lean as they want to come across - just look at how slowly their check in lines snake through.

At least you can do your check in online...something you cannot in both RG and TAM!

Rgs,


User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2430 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 10):
TAM and RG dont accept ANY foreign issued credit card.

That is not surprising as they are not known for modernity. But they likely accept most credit cards at the counter.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 10):
GOL website takes foreign issued American Express cards.

Visa cards issued: 1.3 billion
Mastercards issued: 710 million
Amex cards issued: 22 million
Percentage of cards accepted at Gol's website: 1%.
Like I said, they got themselves listed in the stock market in New York. Can't they manage accepting foreign cards? Geeez.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2371 times:
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Quoting Hardiwv (Thread starter):

Hardi,
to begin on Dec 5, 2005

GIG-POA-COR ( 3x week )
GIG-POA-ROS ( 3x week )

Quoting Incitatus (Reply 11):
Like I said, they got themselves listed in the stock market in New York. Can't they manage accepting foreign cards?

Does anyone knows any other country and airlines that finance tickets on the credit cards thru their websites ? Probably because US card holders for example buy and pay at sight. Hardi and other a.net users from Europe can tell us how it is there!

Regards,
Felipe



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User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2348 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 12):
Does anyone knows any other country and airlines that finance tickets on the credit cards thru their websites ? Probably because US card holders for example buy and pay at sight. Hardi and other a.net users from Europe can tell us how it is there!

Gol does not accept foreign Mastercard and Visa even at their counters. The only way to purchase from them in that case is to find a cash machine and produce reals. Pretty much all merchants in Brazil that accept Visa or Mastercard will accept foreign issued ones. In order to purchase in installments with a credit card, the cashier has to input a code. A purchase at a merchant that will do installments with the installment code and a foreign credit card would be declined. Gol wouldn't have a problem following the same procedure, so their policy comes out as a freak case. If they are going to add more international service, they need to fix this. After all, using Mastercard to fly Gol to Xique-Xique is priceless. Big grin



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User currently offlineJrosa From Brazil, joined Jun 2005, 367 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2344 times:

Quoting Incitatus (Reply 9):
They are not as advanced and lean as they want to come across - just look at how slowly their check in lines snake through.

I believe that these huge check in lines can be explained once you consider that most of Gol's customers are not used to travel by plane. Mr. Constantino Jr. stated several times that Gol's objective is to get passengers who would usually travel by bus.


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2301 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 12):
Does anyone knows any other country and airlines that finance tickets on the credit cards thru their websites ?

NO!

NO!!! You cannot buy air tickets in instalments in Europe. I dont know about the US. (I understand that with GOL it is possible to buy in instalments, right?).

Quoting Jrosa (Reply 14):
I believe that these huge check in lines can be explained once you consider that most of Gol's customers are not used to travel by plane.

Correct. But nowadays about 60% of GOL pax are business/corporate. As I said above, with GOL you can also do online check-in (probably the only airline with this tool in the whole of Latin America).

Rgs,


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2270 times:

Quoting Incitatus (Reply 11):
Visa cards issued: 1.3 billion
Mastercards issued: 710 million
Amex cards issued: 22 million
Percentage of cards accepted at Gol's website: 1%.

Corrections: percentage of FOREIGN ISSUED cards accepted on GOL's website 1%.

Probably foreigners are about 0.1% of GOL's pax!

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 12):
Hardi,
to begin on Dec 5, 2005

GIG-POA-COR ( 3x week )
GIG-POA-ROS ( 3x week )

Felipe, tks for the breaking news! GOL will seize the opportunity of the Argentina-Brazil traffic in the Summer (Southern Hemisphere) Holiday period. About 300 charters are expected from Aregntina to FLN from December to February.

Rgs,


User currently offlineJrosa From Brazil, joined Jun 2005, 367 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2246 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 15):
with GOL you can also do online check-in (probably the only airline with this tool in the whole of Latin America).

I would like to add that RG offers on-line check-in only for the shuttle service flights (SDU-CGH-SDU). It really works very fine! I use it every week.


User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2241 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 16):
Corrections: percentage of FOREIGN ISSUED cards accepted on GOL's website 1%.

Probably foreigners are about 0.1% of GOL's pax!

How many credit cards are issued in Brasil? At most a few million. So the percentage of cards issued worldwide that Gol accepts still stands at a very small number.

Gol is a growing carrier with international destinations. If the share of foreign passengers is tiny, they are only to blame as many foreigners and Brazilians living abroad are prevented from doing business with them due to their own dumb policy.

Quoting Jrosa (Reply 14):
I believe that these huge check in lines can be explained once you consider that most of Gol's customers are not used to travel by plane.

The explanation in this case really depends on your perspective. One can blame it on the passengers. But it's poor planning, lack of staff and lack of adequate business technology.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2195 times:
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Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 15):
NO!

NO!!! You cannot buy air tickets in instalments in Europe. I dont know about the US. (I understand that with GOL it is possible to buy in instalments, right?).

US pays in one invoice too.
That's my point Hardi, the applets they run on their website probably only recognize if its a VISA or MASTERCARD. It's impossible to block that a Visa Card issued in the US or Europe buy in 6x a ticket (p r o b a b l y).

Quoting Incitatus (Reply 18):
How many credit cards are issued in Brasil?

As per Central Bank of Brazil info, 53.5 million in 2004 (1 card for each 3.4 brazilians).

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 15):
Correct. But nowadays about 60% of GOL pax are business/corporate. As I said above, with GOL you can also do online check-in (probably the only airline with this tool in the whole of Latin America).

Hardi, nowadays 70% are business/corporate, 30% others , see some comments from Mr. Constantino to O GLOBO on the link:

http://oglobo.globo.com/boaviagemonline/aviacao/189203157.asp

Gol is trying to improve the sales to B and C classes.

Regards,
Felipe



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2141 times:

Quoting Incitatus (Reply 18):
they are only to blame as many foreigners and Brazilians living abroad are prevented from doing business with them due to their own dumb policy.

What dumb policy? What preconception is this? There must be an explanation for this policy; one of them is the high level of fraud with foreign issued cards - this was the explanation TAM gave me not to accept my foreign issued AmEx (TAM doest take foreign cards even in tel transations!). I'm sure there is an explanation for this considering that neither TAM nor Varig accept ANY foreign issued card for their web transactions. This is a big trouble because when I want to buy a domestic ticket in Brazil I have to ask friends to do so with their Brazilian credit cards....

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 19):
US pays in one invoice too.
That's my point Hardi, the applets they run on their website probably only recognize if its a VISA or MASTERCARD. It's impossible to block that a Visa Card issued in the US or Europe buy in 6x a ticket (p r o b a b l y).

You have a valid point here!

Also because TAM and RG's tickets sold abroad are more expensive than in Brazil, so they can incur gains of about 30-40% in tickets issued abroad via travel agents.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 19):
Hardi, nowadays 70% are business/corporate, 30% others

Tks for the info. Interesting enough the vast majority of GOL pax travel on business!

Rgs,
Hardiwv @ NBO


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