Sunnyb From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 247 posts, RR: 0 Posted (4 years 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2651 times:
Kingfisher Airlines will acquire turbo-props and regional jets for regional routings. The airline will place a "very significant order for turbo-prop aircraft," said Vijay Mallya.
PanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 3088 posts, RR: 90 Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2439 times:
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What about the 30 A320s?
By Anand Krishnamoorthy and Andrea Rothman
Nov. 18 (Bloomberg) -- Airbus SAS, the world's biggest planemaker, will win an order for 30 planes worth $2 billion from Kingfisher Airlines at the Dubai Air Show where the European company will battle with Boeing Co. for new business.
Mumbai-based Kingfisher, owned by United Breweries, will announce the order at the show, which opens Nov. 20, Kingfisher Chief Executive Nigel Harwood said yesterday in a phone interview. The planes are from the single-aisle A320 series with a list price of about $65 million each.
Nimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 2713 posts, RR: 9 Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2309 times:
Wonderful news - Kingfisher is taking away market share from Jet - must be very worrying for Jet. Kingfisher have recently reduced availability of their lower priced tickets (eg 3700 for BLR-DEL is not available through most of Dec/Jan) - so either their flights are already all full, or their loads might come down due to lack of cheap tickets.
Karan69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2633 posts, RR: 16 Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2288 times:
Quoting Nimish (Reply 11): Kingfisher is taking away market share from Jet - must be very worrying for Jet
Nimish infact i saw an analysis of these airlines operating in India done on CNBC TV 18 yesterday, where they were talking about fleet plans and future of Indian aviation , they also had an interesting report on the New Enterants describing how they have taken away market share from the leaders.
From what i remember the figures were as under
Airline[Market share%] January 05 September 05
Jet Airways 44 40
Indian Airlines 36 32
Air Sahara 13 10
Air Deccan 7 11
Kingfisher Airlines - 3
SpiceJet - 4
Pretty interesting times ahead, especially if this is the impact in 9 months
Quote:
Kingfisher eats into Jet’s market share
Girish Rao BANGALORE 17 NOVEMBER
THE market appears to be going a full circle in the domestic aviation space. A similar trend was witnessed when an established auto giant like Maruti lost market share to competitors like Hyundai and Tatas soon after they entered the business. Now, India’s largest domestic carrier Jet Airways has experienced a decline in its market share from 42% in September to 35-36% in October. The more visible gainers have been lifestyle carrier Kingfisher, which has risen from 4.6% to 6.1%, and budget airline Air Deccan from 10% to 11.6%. Low-cost carriers Spice and Deccan collectively accounted for 16.3% market share in October.
Jet Airways’ COO Peter Leuthi said loss of some market share was not unusual when fresh capacity was being added by new players in the market. However, the market dynamics could change once Jet inducted 12 more Boeing 737-800 over the next 18 months. The airline offered 10.4 lakh seats in September and October.
Meanwhile, Kingfisher Airlines chairman Vijay Mallya described the growth in market share as a strong beginning made by the carrier within months of commencing operations. Mr Mallya has said that in the past Kingfisher’s target audience was the same as Jet Airways. The airline will make its presence felt even more strongly as it ramps up its fleet further in the coming months, he added. Kingfisher operates seven/eight A320 planes, which will be ramped up to 17/18 by 2006-end, compared to over 50 flown by Jet Airways.
In October, Spicejet increased its capacity from 1.32 lakh to 1.37 lakh seats, and its market share from 4.5% to 4.7%. Its load factor jumped up from 74.5% to 88% during this period.
Air Sahara also increased its capacity offering from 3.35 lakh to 3.85 lakh seats. Its market share crept up from 11.5% to 12.5% from this September to October.
Air Deccan also pumped in additional capacity of about 50,000 seats, moving up from 2.75 lakh to 3.25 lakh seats during these months with a load factor of 62% and 74.5% respectively, which helped it increase its market share.
The airline has started receiving its new generation ATR-72 planes from this September. Indian Airlines, which also marginally increased its capacity from 8.55 lakh seats to 9 lakh seats in October grew its market share from 28.5% to around 30%.
Hence:
9W - 35%
IC - 30%
S2 - 13%
DN - 11.5%
IT - 6%
0S - 4.5%
I'm kind of surprised that S2 still carries more pax than DN does - does anyone remember their fleet sizes offhand? However, with DN acquiring a/c on a regular basis, they should soon definitely be the #3 in the Indian space. All S2 seems busy doing is being acquired
Cricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2368 posts, RR: 4 Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2167 times:
The problem with all these numbers is that they are unaudited. To be fair to Jet, SpiceJet and IC the first two are listed and therefore have to highlight their numbers in Annual Reports et al and IC anyway puts all their numbers out properly. The DGCA will give firm numbers for the current period only after a year (as is their wont). In addition, Kingfishers plans are looking hairier by the day and until we get a clearer picture of their business plan we shouldn't really judge them...
HAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 27819 posts, RR: 61 Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2083 times:
Quoting Nimish (Reply 15): All S2 seems busy doing is being acquired
Spoke with an S2 Pilot yesterday.They have plans for B744s on lease until they acquire their B777s.Also sais that the Acquisation would take place before 2006 as per their schedule.
Quoting FCKC (Reply 18): Has Goair already make their first revenue service ?I know the first A320 is in India.
GO air 1st A320 with CFM56Bs is Flying currently & based at BOM.
Quoting FCKC (Reply 18): Is Indigo a reliable new entrant
With a 100 A320 plan.They should be.
I heard Kingfisher is opting for ATRs....Not sure what type though.I would presume ATR72-500s.
regds
MEL
Cricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2368 posts, RR: 4 Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1991 times:
Quoting EI747SYDNEY (Reply 20): Is it true that Kingfisher were eyeing up the A380 also? Whatever happened to that idea?
They have already ordered five of them at the Paris Air Show. They will be adding to their A32X family order and order a few ATR's at Dubai. Their regional Jet order has still been finalised (but you never know!).
Eha From France, joined May 2005, 211 posts, RR: 0 Reply 25, posted (4 years 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1655 times:
Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 8): Mumbai-based Kingfisher, owned by United Breweries, will announce the order at the show, which opens Nov. 20, Kingfisher Chief Executive Nigel Harwood said yesterday in a phone interview. The planes are from the single-aisle A320 series with a list price of about $65 million each.
Regards, PanAm_DC10
65M$ sounds pricey for a A320. I would assume it's more in the 40M$ neighborhood. the last reuteurs I read mentioned a 2B$ order for 30 jets + 20 turbo props (ATR assumed). 30 A320 + 20 ATR could do it...We'll see.
E.
26 Aseem: here is some news. Kingfisher plans $2.1bln plane deal New Delhi: India's privately owned Kingfisher Airlines Ltd. is likely to order 30 jets and 20 t
28 HAWK21M: I think they are talking about the A319/A320s.Thogh not sure if it includes the previous order on A319/20/80/50. regds MEL
29 PanAm_DC10: Agree but if you read the article the reporter was quoting the list price, not I sir. Regards, PanAm_DC10
30 Beaucaire: Following Flightinternational the Turboprop's would be ATR 72....
31 Francoflier: With all those airbus orders, EADS should throw in those ATRs for free! Funny fleet though: Turboprops, A320 and ...A380? Now that's steep...
32 Aseem: might be a record of some sort. Other to be A380 operators such as SQ and EK don't have turboprops. rgds VT-ASJ
33 Francoflier: Might be. What amazes me though is the capacity gap between the A320 and the aircraft directly above it, the A380. Or do they (will they) operate som
34 Sunnyb: Yes, they have some A330s on order as well.
35 Gigneil: Embraer does not have a modern turboprop on order. 5 on order Their fleet will comprise the 319, 320, 330, 350, and 380. Makes more sense. N
36 Aseem: will be joining in the following order A320/319/330/380/350. no surprises. rgds VT-ASJ
37 Karan69: You forgot the A330s and A350 as a result of which, I think its a perfect fleet Turboprops: lesser domestic markets A320/319s: Domestic and regional
38 HAWK21M: Was Talking to a Kingfisher AME.They will be getting their A319s next month. regds MEL
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