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Kingfisher To Order Turbo-props At Dubai Air Show  
User currently offlineSunnyb From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 247 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5854 times:

Kingfisher Airlines will acquire turbo-props and regional jets for regional routings. The airline will place a "very significant order for turbo-prop aircraft," said Vijay Mallya.

More at: The Economic Times

38 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5826 times:

more ATR's coming!! MEL would you like to downgrade?? Big grin
cheers!!
VT-ASJ



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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5825 times:

Wow, Kingfisher is turning out to be the EK of India. I hope they don't buy themselves to bankruptcy. How are they doing BTW?


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User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5806 times:

Quoting Kappel (Reply 2):
How are they doing BTW?

the product is good, and for the future we are cautiously optimistic.
rgds
VT-ASJ



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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7063 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5766 times:

Quoting Aseem (Reply 1):
more ATR's coming!

Any idea which types exactly ?



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User currently offlineETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5750 times:

What ever happened to surprises? It would have been nice to hear of these order announcements at the show, as opposed to leaks prior to it. Oh well...

User currently offlineA360 From Portugal, joined Jun 2005, 434 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5740 times:

Who do you think will win this order?! A or B?

It must be Airbus.... those Boeing props are just hideous!!! They couldn't possibly buy such ugly airplanes! Lol! Big grin


PS: Yes, the post was a joke.

Regards:
A360


User currently offlineFrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3761 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5725 times:

Quoting A360 (Reply 6):
Yes, the post was a joke.

Well, EADS is partly involved in ATR...

I'm sorry, I didn't want to unleash yet another ATR vs. Bombardier war....

 devil 



Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit posting...
User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4162 posts, RR: 89
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5642 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
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What about the 30 A320s?

By Anand Krishnamoorthy and Andrea Rothman
Nov. 18 (Bloomberg) -- Airbus SAS, the world's biggest planemaker, will win an order for 30 planes worth $2 billion from Kingfisher Airlines at the Dubai Air Show where the European company will battle with Boeing Co. for new business.
Mumbai-based Kingfisher, owned by United Breweries, will announce the order at the show, which opens Nov. 20, Kingfisher Chief Executive Nigel Harwood said yesterday in a phone interview. The planes are from the single-aisle A320 series with a list price of about $65 million each.


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User currently offlineBoeingBus From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1596 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5637 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 8):
What about the 30 A320s?

Is this firming an order from that was announced in Paris????



Airbus or Boeing - it's all good to me!
User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4162 posts, RR: 89
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5627 times:
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They've already ordered 3 x A319 and 10 x A320 so I assume a new order

Regards, PanAm_DC10



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User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3231 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5512 times:

Wonderful news - Kingfisher is taking away market share from Jet - must be very worrying for Jet. Kingfisher have recently reduced availability of their lower priced tickets (eg 3700 for BLR-DEL is not available through most of Dec/Jan) - so either their flights are already all full, or their loads might come down due to lack of cheap tickets.


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User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2889 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5491 times:

Quoting Nimish (Reply 11):
Kingfisher is taking away market share from Jet - must be very worrying for Jet

Nimish infact i saw an analysis of these airlines operating in India done on CNBC TV 18 yesterday, where they were talking about fleet plans and future of Indian aviation , they also had an interesting report on the New Enterants describing how they have taken away market share from the leaders.

From what i remember the figures were as under

Airline[Market share%] January 05 September 05

Jet Airways 44 40
Indian Airlines 36 32
Air Sahara 13 10
Air Deccan 7 11
Kingfisher Airlines - 3
SpiceJet - 4

Pretty interesting times ahead, especially if this is the impact in 9 months


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5454 times:

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 12):
From what i remember the figures were as under

Airline[Market share%] January 05 September 05

Jet Airways 44 40
Indian Airlines 36 32
Air Sahara 13 10
Air Deccan 7 11
Kingfisher Airlines - 3
SpiceJet - 4

So Air Deccan is the third largest carrier currently. I wonder if Indian Airlines will remain at number 2 position five years from now.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5432 times:

Quoting Aseem (Reply 1):
more ATR's coming!! MEL would you like to downgrade

No Way.Im only upgrading  biggrin  B777s,B787s......

Quoting Kappel (Reply 2):
How are they doing BTW?

Loads seem to be picking up.The Service on board is said to be very good.

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 13):
I wonder if Indian Airlines will remain at number 2 position five years from now.

With IC getting their fresh wings soon.They can still retain that Spot.

BTW.Where Indigo going to Fit in.

regds
MEL



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User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3231 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5397 times:

From today's Economic times:
http://epaperdaily.timesofindia.com/...ntityId=Ar00503&ViewMode=HTML&GZ=T

Quote:

Kingfisher eats into Jet’s market share
Girish Rao BANGALORE 17 NOVEMBER

THE market appears to be going a full circle in the domestic aviation space. A similar trend was witnessed when an established auto giant like Maruti lost market share to competitors like Hyundai and Tatas soon after they entered the business. Now, India’s largest domestic carrier Jet Airways has experienced a decline in its market share from 42% in September to 35-36% in October. The more visible gainers have been lifestyle carrier Kingfisher, which has risen from 4.6% to 6.1%, and budget airline Air Deccan from 10% to 11.6%. Low-cost carriers Spice and Deccan collectively accounted for 16.3% market share in October.
Jet Airways’ COO Peter Leuthi said loss of some market share was not unusual when fresh capacity was being added by new players in the market. However, the market dynamics could change once Jet inducted 12 more Boeing 737-800 over the next 18 months. The airline offered 10.4 lakh seats in September and October.
Meanwhile, Kingfisher Airlines chairman Vijay Mallya described the growth in market share as a strong beginning made by the carrier within months of commencing operations. Mr Mallya has said that in the past Kingfisher’s target audience was the same as Jet Airways. The airline will make its presence felt even more strongly as it ramps up its fleet further in the coming months, he added. Kingfisher operates seven/eight A320 planes, which will be ramped up to 17/18 by 2006-end, compared to over 50 flown by Jet Airways.
In October, Spicejet increased its capacity from 1.32 lakh to 1.37 lakh seats, and its market share from 4.5% to 4.7%. Its load factor jumped up from 74.5% to 88% during this period.
Air Sahara also increased its capacity offering from 3.35 lakh to 3.85 lakh seats. Its market share crept up from 11.5% to 12.5% from this September to October.
Air Deccan also pumped in additional capacity of about 50,000 seats, moving up from 2.75 lakh to 3.25 lakh seats during these months with a load factor of 62% and 74.5% respectively, which helped it increase its market share.
The airline has started receiving its new generation ATR-72 planes from this September. Indian Airlines, which also marginally increased its capacity from 8.55 lakh seats to 9 lakh seats in October grew its market share from 28.5% to around 30%.


Hence:

9W - 35%
IC - 30%
S2 - 13%
DN - 11.5%
IT - 6%
0S - 4.5%

I'm kind of surprised that S2 still carries more pax than DN does - does anyone remember their fleet sizes offhand? However, with DN acquiring a/c on a regular basis, they should soon definitely be the #3 in the Indian space. All S2 seems busy doing is being acquired  sarcastic 



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User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2968 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5370 times:

The problem with all these numbers is that they are unaudited. To be fair to Jet, SpiceJet and IC the first two are listed and therefore have to highlight their numbers in Annual Reports et al and IC anyway puts all their numbers out properly. The DGCA will give firm numbers for the current period only after a year (as is their wont). In addition, Kingfishers plans are looking hairier by the day and until we get a clearer picture of their business plan we shouldn't really judge them...


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User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5361 times:

Embraer´s I presume?

User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5300 times:

Turbo prop : ATR or DHC ?
Regional jets ; Embraer or Canadair ?
Narrow body : A319/320

Has Goair already make their first revenue service ?I know the first A320 is in India.
Is Indigo a reliable new entrant ?

India becomes really a fantastic market !!!!!!!!!!!!!


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5286 times:

Quoting Nimish (Reply 15):
All S2 seems busy doing is being acquired

Spoke with an S2 Pilot yesterday.They have plans for B744s on lease until they acquire their B777s.Also sais that the Acquisation would take place before 2006 as per their schedule.

Quoting FCKC (Reply 18):
Has Goair already make their first revenue service ?I know the first A320 is in India.

GO air 1st A320 with CFM56Bs is Flying currently & based at BOM.

Quoting FCKC (Reply 18):
Is Indigo a reliable new entrant

With a 100 A320 plan.They should be.

I heard Kingfisher is opting for ATRs....Not sure what type though.I would presume ATR72-500s.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineEI747SYDNEY From Ireland, joined Oct 2005, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5252 times:

Is it true that Kingfisher were eyeing up the A380 also? Whatever happened to that idea?

Rob  wave 



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User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2968 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days ago) and read 5194 times:

Quoting EI747SYDNEY (Reply 20):
Is it true that Kingfisher were eyeing up the A380 also? Whatever happened to that idea?

They have already ordered five of them at the Paris Air Show. They will be adding to their A32X family order and order a few ATR's at Dubai. Their regional Jet order has still been finalised (but you never know!).



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User currently offlineTKMCE From India, joined May 2002, 841 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5072 times:

Are you sure it is AZTRS and not DHCs.

I think there is a chance the latter will get the order for its Q400s. Tey do not have a presence yet in India.


User currently offlineEGNR From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 508 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5050 times:

Quoting EI747SYDNEY (Reply 20):
Is it true that Kingfisher were eyeing up the A380 also? Whatever happened to that idea?

More than eyeing them up... Airbus press release
http://v4.airbus.com/store/photolibrary/AIRCRAFT/CUSTOMER/A380/att00004670/media_object_image_lowres_A380-800-Kingfisher-03_MB_large.jpg



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4982 times:

Quoting TKMCE (Reply 22):



Are you sure it is AZTRS and not DHCs.

I think there is a chance the latter will get the order for its Q400s. Tey do not have a presence yet in India.

Yes its ATRs.The Aircraft is Already introduced in the country.so makes things easier.Regulatory & manpower wise.
regds
MEL



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25 Eha : 65M$ sounds pricey for a A320. I would assume it's more in the 40M$ neighborhood. the last reuteurs I read mentioned a 2B$ order for 30 jets + 20 tur
26 Post contains links and images Aseem : here is some news. Kingfisher plans $2.1bln plane deal New Delhi: India's privately owned Kingfisher Airlines Ltd. is likely to order 30 jets and 20 t
27 Kappel : A320's and a319's.
28 HAWK21M : I think they are talking about the A319/A320s.Thogh not sure if it includes the previous order on A319/20/80/50. regds MEL
29 PanAm_DC10 : Agree but if you read the article the reporter was quoting the list price, not I sir. Regards, PanAm_DC10
30 Beaucaire : Following Flightinternational the Turboprop's would be ATR 72....
31 Francoflier : With all those airbus orders, EADS should throw in those ATRs for free! Funny fleet though: Turboprops, A320 and ...A380? Now that's steep...
32 Aseem : might be a record of some sort. Other to be A380 operators such as SQ and EK don't have turboprops. rgds VT-ASJ
33 Francoflier : Might be. What amazes me though is the capacity gap between the A320 and the aircraft directly above it, the A380. Or do they (will they) operate som
34 Sunnyb : Yes, they have some A330s on order as well.
35 Gigneil : Embraer does not have a modern turboprop on order. 5 on order Their fleet will comprise the 319, 320, 330, 350, and 380. Makes more sense. N
36 Aseem : will be joining in the following order A320/319/330/380/350. no surprises. rgds VT-ASJ
37 Karan69 : You forgot the A330s and A350 as a result of which, I think its a perfect fleet Turboprops: lesser domestic markets A320/319s: Domestic and regional
38 HAWK21M : Was Talking to a Kingfisher AME.They will be getting their A319s next month. regds MEL
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