Irishpower From United States, joined Aug 2003, 262 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1597 times:
I was just wondering if the new 747-8 will end up shutting down production for the basic 744. Back in 1989 when the 744 came out Boeing shut down production of the 747-200,747sp and 747-300. I'm wondering if they will now only offer the 747-8 and say the 747-400ER.
Do you think the standard 744 design will be going away after Boeing delivers the last of its backlog?
BoeingBus From United States, joined May 2004, 1565 posts, RR: 16 Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1585 times:
Most likely... but I think if a customer still wanted to buy a 744, I don't see why they couldn't... its a hard question to answer as its all about timing... if a customer waits too long than is probably a big fat NO. like any plane on the market, it will end eventually and be replaced.
MidnightMike From United States, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 36 Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1573 times:
By the time the 747Advanced comes out, which I read somewhere around 2009, the orders for the 747-400 should be just about done, so in theory, yes.....
Ikramerica From United States, joined May 2005, 18393 posts, RR: 59 Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1541 times:
Quoting Irishpower (Thread starter): Do you think the standard 744 design will be going away after Boeing delivers the last of its backlog?
Boeing has no backlog for the 744 pax version. Phillipine doesn't count, as the order is very old and will never be filled, at least with 744s.
I doubt any carrier will order another 744 pax version, though possibly China Airlines would order 1 or 2 for 2007 delivery if they need to increase lift before the 748 becomes available, as they are the newest 744 customer and took delivery of the last pax model ever built. It's unlikely, but never say never.
That only leaves cargo.
Cargo carriers are going to take the best plane available when available. So they would not order new 744s if they needed a plane after 2009, nor would they order all 748s if they needed a plane before 2009. This shows how both Cargolux and NCA are behaving.
But by 2009, any new builds should be 748s. Should a carrier want a 744F, they will instead buy a 744SF conversion.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
Carpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2301 posts, RR: 3 Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1391 times:
In 2010, there will probably be some 744F being built alongside the 748. Just like the 742F were built alongside the 744s in 1989-91.
Until 2010, the 747 line will continue to crawl along with production rate of about one per month. Fortunately Boeing has booked enough 744F orders the past year until 2010 arrives.
DfwRevolution From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1320 times:
Quoting Stitch (Reply 5): Boeing should be able to build a 744 - P or F - if a customer wants one. They still build 767-200ERs if you ask
The 767 uses the exact same supplier base as the other 767 variants.
The 747-8 will have minor, but important, modifications across the structure and systems. This means a different supplier base than the 747-400. Once the 744 backlog is complete, I'd expect Boeing to standardize production on the 748.
Besides, does anyone expect there will really be customers begging to place orders for new-build 744 in 2007-2010?
NA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 6766 posts, RR: 8 Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1145 times:
I´d say Carpethead hit the nail. The first 747-8F will be built earlier than the last 744s anyway, and I wouldn´t be too surprised if a few, though very few, orders for the 744F/ERF would still come in next year before the "last order" bell rings, from operators hesitating wether to built up a 747-8I fleet in the future or not.
Irishpower From United States, joined Aug 2003, 262 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 901 times:
What about passenger versions of the 744ER? It is a new derivative (granted a small one at that) of the existing design. If airlines don't need the extra capacity of the 747-8 and don't want to go to the 773ER I'd think Boeing may still offer the 744ER for the next say 5-7 years. At least until the 747-8 gets up and running.
Ikramerica From United States, joined May 2005, 18393 posts, RR: 59 Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 847 times:
Quoting Irishpower (Reply 8): What about passenger versions of the 744ER?
To be an ER, the 744 loses cargo space.
The 748 has better trip costs than the 744ER even with the same number of people, and holds nearly 30% more cargo, and has better range.
Why would anyone order the 744ER over the 748 unless they already fly them, have no plans on buying 748s in the future, and just need 1 more or something. Like the China 744 possibly order, not very likely, but you never know. But I think the odds are pretty slim that Qantas, for example, will ask for another 744ER.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
Ken777 From United States, joined Mar 2004, 2779 posts, RR: 11 Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 732 times:
I believe that when Boeing gets the first -8 into the air they will be very close to converting the line over to the -8. I wouldn't be surprised to see Boeing moving ahead of schedule with the -8 and, if there are 744s yet to go into production then they might be converted to -8s.
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