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US Airways/America West's Future In Star Alliance?  
User currently offlineB777A340Fan From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 774 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6016 times:

Hello fellow A.netters!    I was wondering....now that America West and US Airways is one big happy family, what is going to be their involvement with the Star Alliance? US Airways just recently joined the Alliance and it was admitted on the grounds that it would complement United's routes on the East coast. Now that America West is in the picture, there are a lot of overlapping routes, especially in the West....is it possible that US Airways will be kicked out of the Alliance? Besides, US Airways/America West is going for a LCC image, not really a good image for the other members of the Star Alliance, no?  

[Edited 2005-11-18 07:06:55]

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User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 43
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6009 times:

Quoting B777A340Fan (Thread starter):
now that America West has proclaimed itself as US Airways' big daddy

I must have missed that proclamation. Do you have a link?



I'm the expert on here on two things, neither of which I care about much anymore.
User currently offlineVega From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5995 times:

Quoting B777A340Fan (Thread starter):
is it possible that US Airways will be kicked out of the Alliance? Besides, US Airways/America West is going for a LCC image, not really a good image for the other members of the Star Alliance, no?

I hope you have a fire extinguisher handy.


User currently offlineOrdflier From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5979 times:

Quite honestly I think that the "new" combined HP/US will stay with Star. I don't think that Star is so much concerned that the new carrier is being transformed into an LCC. Star is concerned about covering geographical areas - and quite honestly there is no airline in the North American market with any level of service orientation that is vastly improved over the new US. Economy service levels in the US all rate pretty much the same.


ORDflier
User currently offlineHZ747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1677 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5978 times:
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Quoting B777A340Fan (Thread starter):
Besides, US Airways/America West is going for a LCC image, not really a good image for the other members of the Star Alliance, no?

Have you flown BMI lately? It's a full price airlines with a low cost service. I think that the alliances are well aware that their American component will have low cost domestic and regional service.



Keep on truckin'...
User currently offlineB777A340Fan From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 774 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5964 times:

Quoting HZ747300 (Reply 4):
Have you flown BMI lately? It's a full price airlines with a low cost service. I

I flew BMI two summers ago and I don't know how it is today, but I can tell you then that they didn't consider themselves an airline with low cost service. BMI always had this attitude of "arrogance" and I don't think they'd consider themselves an airline with low cost service, I think they pride themselves on the "good" service they provide.

[Edited 2005-11-18 07:40:01]

User currently offlineBrokenrecord From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 772 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5791 times:

Yes, US will remain with Star. They may be transforming into an LCC, but they will still be full-service, including premium-class.

User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5770 times:

the new company US Airways will stay with the Star Alliance. They will not leave Star Alliance. Remember when AC bought CP in 1999 they (AC) didn't leave Star Alliance they brought CP over to join the Star Alliance.

User currently offlineStar_world From Ireland, joined Jun 2001, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5635 times:

Quoting B777A340Fan (Reply 5):

I flew BMI two summers ago and I don't know how it is today, but I can tell you then that they didn't consider themselves an airline with low cost service. BMI always had this attitude of "arrogance" and I don't think they'd consider themselves an airline with low cost service, I think they pride themselves on the "good" service they provide.

Slightly OT I know, but BMI has gone rapidly downhill in the last 2 years. They've got one of the most confused strategies among any of the main European airlines at the moment, and seem really torn between positioning themselves as a LCC and trying desparately to hold onto whatever business customers they have left!


User currently offlineSupa7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5627 times:

Quoting Star_world (Reply 8):

Slightly OT I know, but BMI has gone rapidly downhill in the last 2 years. They've got one of the most confused strategies among any of the main European airlines at the moment, and seem really torn between positioning themselves as a LCC and trying desparately to hold onto whatever business customers they have left!

I always thought of them as the TransAtlantic JetBlue. Or at least that is what they should become.


User currently offlineCa2ohHP From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 955 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5458 times:

Quoting B777A340Fan (Thread starter):
....now that America West and US Airways is one big happy family,

I think you're speaking WAY premature...


User currently offlineCa2ohHP From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 955 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 5449 times:

Quoting B777A340Fan (Thread starter):
Besides, US Airways/America West is going for a LCC image, not really a good image for the other members of the Star Alliance, no?

Low Cost and Low Fare are two different things. One could say Aer Lingus is an LCC as well.


User currently offlineJfrworld From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 365 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 5389 times:

I think Star needs to keep two domestic carriers with both UA and US/HP. They still have to compete with Skyteam and its three domestic airlines in NW, DL, and CO.

I still think that they new US offers coverage on the east coast, south, and Caribbean through their CLT and PHL hubs where UA is the weakest.


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 5362 times:

They're forming a new alliance. "LCC Stars in the Sky Team."

US/HP
Allegiant
Hooters.

Coming Fall '06:
Southwest
Airtran
JetBlue
Mesa Hawaii

Codeshares on all flights, and since as an alliance one of their biggest meeting points is ABE currently, they're all going to begin hubbing here. JetBlue will start serving ABE in a few weeks, and Airtran and Southwest are both leaving congested PHL to come here.

Both A380's, and 748's will be painted up in their new team paintscheme, and delivered to Southwest. Southwest will take delivery of a few CRJ's in the scheme as well when they join, operated by AWAC, who'll be running the BAe146's from ABE to ASE under the title of JetBlue. Southwest's 733's will be made ETOPS to go DAL-HNL to connect to Mesa Hawaii.

I think that has covered every single A.net rumor regarding the respective airlines in the past 3 months. Have a nice day.   

[Edited 2005-11-18 21:15:21]

User currently offlineFCYTravis From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 5338 times:

Those ETOPS 733s would need aerial refueling from Canyon Blue WN KC-10 Extenders :p


USAir A321 service now departing for SFO with fuel stops in CAK, COS and RNO. Enjoy your flight.
User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 5321 times:

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 14):
Those ETOPS 733s would need aerial refueling from Canyon Blue WN KC-10 Extenders :p

They're going to refuel at WN's new terminal at BFI.


User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3279 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 5260 times:

Quoting Ordflier (Reply 3):
Quite honestly I think that the "new" combined HP/US will stay with Star. I

So does Doug Parker.



.......
User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 5196 times:

Quote:
Now that America West is in the picture, there are a lot of overlapping routes, especially in the West....

As with all airlines, there exists competition on routes, but only occasionally are these routes non-stops. For example, UA is not a huge player in the SAN-PHX market, where HP (now US) is, and although HP would be delighted to fly you SAN-DEN, UA does it with a non-stop.

What I think it will come down to is that UA and HP/US are different enough that they will compliment each other, not necessarily compete against each other. The only hubs that are close will be PHL and IAD, as SFO, DEN, & ORD do not really overlap those of PHX, LAS, and CLT.

Besides, as pointed out, CO, NW, and DL codeshare - why not UA and US?

Happy flying!



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User currently offlineSwank300 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 4879 times:

Hey Everyone,

I was just interested in what the role the alliance has on individual airlines financially.....For Example: would UA really suffer noticebly if USAirways pulls out of the alliance given their precense in the NorthEast? How does one airline benefit from anothers in their same alliance? Thanks to anybody who can help.....


User currently offlineSupa7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 4745 times:

Quoting Swank300 (Reply 18):
I was just interested in what the role the alliance has on individual airlines financially...

Joining an alliance boosts revenue. A big multi-airline network stimulates customer demand. It also provides a flow of people connecting in from other airlines, say Lufthansa people coming from Germany to obscure American cities. An alliance is necessary to connect 2 small or mid-size cities on different continents.

In UA's case, they do gain something from US codeshare, especially in the Southeast, Northeast and the Caribbean islands. UA can pull in passengers from those regions with US's help. Or it can send its longtime passengers to US hubs to ultimately reach those regions UA does not serve well. By flying its passengers part way, UA makes some money by pure benefit of the alliance. This adds tens or hundreds of millions to UA's revenue.

On the other hand, UA may lose some passengers to the alliance where US is cheaper or faster or both. But that's hardly a loss since customers often would choose the cheaper alternative anyway.


User currently offlineB777a340fan From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 774 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 4599 times:

Quoting Ca2ohHP (Reply 10):
Quoting B777A340Fan (Thread starter):
....now that America West and US Airways is one big happy family,

I think you're speaking WAY premature...

I was being sarcastic, sigh  Yeah sure

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 13):
They're forming a new alliance. "LCC Stars in the Sky Team."

US/HP
Allegiant
Hooters.


 laughing 


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