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Finnair And The Ilyushin-96  
User currently offlineEI747SYDNEY From Ireland, joined Oct 2005, 703 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4794 times:

I have seen photos of a Finnair Ilyushin from back in September 2004. I have checked the database and found nothing here. Does anyone have any information on this? Did Finnair buy this? Where did they operate them to?

Thanks

Rob wave 


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User currently offlineTR From UK - England, joined May 2001, 953 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4774 times:

Finnair has certainly not bought any Russian aircraft. I have never heard or seen anything about this before but perhaps some of our Finnish friends can share more info with us

User currently offlineEI747SYDNEY From Ireland, joined Oct 2005, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4756 times:

I have a link to a photo but it's from another airline site.

Is it ok to post the link here?

Rob  wave 



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User currently offlinePyh From Finland, joined Oct 2001, 146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4750 times:

Finnair has never bought any Russian aircraft. The former USSR tried to sell them in 70's, but Finnair refused to buy.

User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4747 times:

Quoting EI747SYDNEY (Thread starter):
Does anyone have any information on this?

Its called a photo-montage...



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User currently offlineTR From UK - England, joined May 2001, 953 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4743 times:

Yes. Just mention the source

User currently offlineEGNR From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 508 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4724 times:

Quoting EI747SYDNEY (Thread starter):
I have seen photos of a Finnair Ilyushin from back in September 2004.

I'm guessing this is the photo you have seen?
Finnair IL-96

There's a discussion about the photo here: Discussion



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User currently offlineTR From UK - England, joined May 2001, 953 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4715 times:

It is a manipulated photo. Finnair does not operate any Russian aircraft - and never has

User currently offlineEI747SYDNEY From Ireland, joined Oct 2005, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4695 times:

Why do people do that. I hope he aint a photographer on this site because his work is dubious to say the least.

Rob  wave 



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User currently offlineLordHowe From Finland, joined Jan 2003, 728 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4666 times:

Quoting Pyh (Reply 3):
Finnair has never bought any Russian aircraft. The former USSR tried to sell them in 70's, but Finnair refused to buy.

True!

The former Finnair CEO Gunnar Korhonen did his utmost to convince Finnish Government during the 1960s and 1970s, that Finnair does not need Soviet airplanes. He was the one fought his way to bringing the first McDonnell-Douglas'es to Finland and made Finnair a good client to them.

Back then there was a bilateral agreement between Finland and Soviet Union and that meant that Finland imported from Soviet Union as much as we exported to Soviet Union. A lot of Finnish industry (clothing, food etc.) collapsed with the fall of the Iron Curtain.

Regards,
LordHowe



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User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4214 times:

The IL-96 even makes Finnair's UGLY paintscheme look good. It's actually the grey area which is larger, Finnair's planes are mostly white. That photo looks legit too!

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User currently offlineOV735 From Estonia, joined Jan 2004, 909 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3844 times:

Quoting LordHowe (Reply 9):
The former Finnair CEO Gunnar Korhonen did his utmost to convince Finnish Government during the 1960s and 1970s, that Finnair does not need Soviet airplanes. He was the one fought his way to bringing the first McDonnell-Douglas'es to Finland and made Finnair a good client to them.

I did not know that the Finnish Govt was leaning towards the Russian aircraft. Good work on Korhonen's part, then. I know the older locomotives of VR are Soviet-built (or at least were, when delivered; I've heard VR and Valmet basically rebuilt them to be more efficient), so it kind of makes sense.

At any rate, I have to admit, the 96 looks quite nice in AY's clothes. Albeit I doubt the Finns would adopt the numeric registration system and register the plane as OH-96xxx  Wink


User currently offlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3769 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 3759 times:

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 10):
The IL-96 even makes Finnair's UGLY paintscheme look good.

I'd say the livery makes the Il-96 look good. Usually, that is one ugly aircraft.

Quoting EI747SYDNEY (Reply 8):
Why do people do that. I hope he aint a photographer on this site because his work is dubious to say the least.

Well, I don't mind 'modified' photos, as long as it's mentioned in the caption. Lets us see things we normally wouldn't...

Cheers
Mats



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User currently offlineEilennaei From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3497 times:

Quoting OV735 (Reply 11):
I did not know that the Finnish Govt was leaning towards the Russian aircraft. Good work on Korhonen's part, then. I know the older locomotives of VR are Soviet-built (or at least were, when delivered; I've heard VR and Valmet basically rebuilt them to be more efficient), so it kind of makes sense.

I really don't think that anyone was serious with buying Russian planes. What source might LordHowe be reading?
As far as the Russian electric locos go, the Finnish thyristor motor control system was built-in in the first place, in the early 1970s. Valmet was not involved, but the State Railways Hyvinkää works.


User currently offlineLordHowe From Finland, joined Jan 2003, 728 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3228 times:

Quoting Eilennaei (Reply 13):
I really don't think that anyone was serious with buying Russian planes. What source might LordHowe be reading?

I did not say that Finnair was buying Soviet planes - Soviet Union was trying to sell them to Finnair. Korhonen was the one who made it very clear even to Foreign Minister Molotov that these Jakovlevs, Iljushins and Tupolevs were not suitable for Finland and Finnair.

Korhonen was a very clever man and as he had very good personal contact with Finlands president Urho Kekkonen and he had himself been a Foreign Trade Minister, he knew how the political system was to be managed. He understood that it was necessary to have all the leading politicians (even the Prime Minister) connected in Finnairs administration.

Best regards,
LordHowe

[Edited 2005-11-19 15:32:13]


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User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2857 times:

Wow, that would some news if IL-96 would be Finnair's new wide body choice  Smile Atleast a very original and creative move indeed...

User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2817 times:

Quoting EI747SYDNEY (Thread starter):
Did Finnair buy this?

It was a fake pic.


User currently offlineEilennaei From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2641 times:

Quoting LordHowe (Reply 14):
did not say that Finnair was buying Soviet planes - Soviet Union was trying to sell them to Finnair. Korhonen was the one who made it very clear even to Foreign Minister Molotov that these Jakovlevs, Iljushins and Tupolevs were not suitable for Finland and Finnair.

LordHowe, may I ask you when did Mr Molotov and Mr Korhonen have this chat over the acquisition of Jakovlevs (or Yakolevs in the more popular transcription), Iljushins and Tupolevs, according to your sources?

You see, Mr Molotov got somewhat defamed in the Party in the late 1950's and was consequently assigned as the Soviet Ambassador to Mongolia in 1957, whereas Mr Korhonen was appointed CEO of Finnair in 1960, that's a three years later, so you have a timing problem!


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5893 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2583 times:
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I think Finnair would look excellent on a 777.

User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2410 times:

Quoting Doona (Reply 12):
I'd say the livery makes the Il-96 look good. Usually, that is one ugly aircraft.

In my opinion, ugly is the A319 in Finnair colors  yuck 

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 18):
I think Finnair would look excellent on a 777.

yep, like a white whale..


User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2340 times:

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 19):

In my opinion, ugly is the A319 in Finnair colors

Well, with these flag colours like Finland's blue-white, it can be that too much is too much... not to talk about American white-blue-red you simply can't escape  Smile


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