EI747SYDNEY From Ireland, joined Oct 2005, 687 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 years 7 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4127 times:
I have seen photos of a Finnair Ilyushin from back in September 2004. I have checked the database and found nothing here. Does anyone have any information on this? Did Finnair buy this? Where did they operate them to?
Thanks
Rob
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TR From UK - England, joined May 2001, 952 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4107 times:
Finnair has certainly not bought any Russian aircraft. I have never heard or seen anything about this before but perhaps some of our Finnish friends can share more info with us
LordHowe From Finland, joined Jan 2003, 728 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3999 times:
Quoting Pyh (Reply 3): Finnair has never bought any Russian aircraft. The former USSR tried to sell them in 70's, but Finnair refused to buy.
True!
The former Finnair CEO Gunnar Korhonen did his utmost to convince Finnish Government during the 1960s and 1970s, that Finnair does not need Soviet airplanes. He was the one fought his way to bringing the first McDonnell-Douglas'es to Finland and made Finnair a good client to them.
Back then there was a bilateral agreement between Finland and Soviet Union and that meant that Finland imported from Soviet Union as much as we exported to Soviet Union. A lot of Finnish industry (clothing, food etc.) collapsed with the fall of the Iron Curtain.
MIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3547 times:
The IL-96 even makes Finnair's UGLY paintscheme look good. It's actually the grey area which is larger, Finnair's planes are mostly white. That photo looks legit too!
OV735 From Estonia, joined Jan 2004, 860 posts, RR: 2 Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3177 times:
Quoting LordHowe (Reply 9): The former Finnair CEO Gunnar Korhonen did his utmost to convince Finnish Government during the 1960s and 1970s, that Finnair does not need Soviet airplanes. He was the one fought his way to bringing the first McDonnell-Douglas'es to Finland and made Finnair a good client to them.
I did not know that the Finnish Govt was leaning towards the Russian aircraft. Good work on Korhonen's part, then. I know the older locomotives of VR are Soviet-built (or at least were, when delivered; I've heard VR and Valmet basically rebuilt them to be more efficient), so it kind of makes sense.
At any rate, I have to admit, the 96 looks quite nice in AY's clothes. Albeit I doubt the Finns would adopt the numeric registration system and register the plane as OH-96xxx
Eilennaei From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2830 times:
Quoting OV735 (Reply 11): I did not know that the Finnish Govt was leaning towards the Russian aircraft. Good work on Korhonen's part, then. I know the older locomotives of VR are Soviet-built (or at least were, when delivered; I've heard VR and Valmet basically rebuilt them to be more efficient), so it kind of makes sense.
I really don't think that anyone was serious with buying Russian planes. What source might LordHowe be reading?
As far as the Russian electric locos go, the Finnish thyristor motor control system was built-in in the first place, in the early 1970s. Valmet was not involved, but the State Railways Hyvinkää works.
LordHowe From Finland, joined Jan 2003, 728 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2561 times:
Quoting Eilennaei (Reply 13): I really don't think that anyone was serious with buying Russian planes. What source might LordHowe be reading?
I did not say that Finnair was buying Soviet planes - Soviet Union was trying to sell them to Finnair. Korhonen was the one who made it very clear even to Foreign Minister Molotov that these Jakovlevs, Iljushins and Tupolevs were not suitable for Finland and Finnair.
Korhonen was a very clever man and as he had very good personal contact with Finlands president Urho Kekkonen and he had himself been a Foreign Trade Minister, he knew how the political system was to be managed. He understood that it was necessary to have all the leading politicians (even the Prime Minister) connected in Finnairs administration.
Eilennaei From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1974 times:
Quoting LordHowe (Reply 14): did not say that Finnair was buying Soviet planes - Soviet Union was trying to sell them to Finnair. Korhonen was the one who made it very clear even to Foreign Minister Molotov that these Jakovlevs, Iljushins and Tupolevs were not suitable for Finland and Finnair.
LordHowe, may I ask you when did Mr Molotov and Mr Korhonen have this chat over the acquisition of Jakovlevs (or Yakolevs in the more popular transcription), Iljushins and Tupolevs, according to your sources?
You see, Mr Molotov got somewhat defamed in the Party in the late 1950's and was consequently assigned as the Soviet Ambassador to Mongolia in 1957, whereas Mr Korhonen was appointed CEO of Finnair in 1960, that's a three years later, so you have a timing problem!
Wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5567 posts, RR: 5 Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1916 times:
Andaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1673 times:
Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 19):
In my opinion, ugly is the A319 in Finnair colors
Well, with these flag colours like Finland's blue-white, it can be that too much is too much... not to talk about American white-blue-red you simply can't escape
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