JetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2785 posts, RR: 15 Posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4432 times:
JetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2785 posts, RR: 15 Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4419 times:
Usairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3100 posts, RR: 8 Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4323 times:
Not a surprise here. We all knew it would eventually happen and with FL's announcement i figured B6 wouldn't wait long to counter.
Wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5534 posts, RR: 5 Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4264 times:
I think there's enough traffic between BOS and IAD to sustain business for both airlines. Does UA Express or UA mainline fly between IAD and BOS? I haven't looked online or in the OAG.
UA744Flagship From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4134 times:
This is not so much a slap in the face of FL as it is for UA...
Currently there are 9 flights a day, 5 with mainline, increasing to 10.5 flights per day in January... hopefully Independence exits sooner rather than later.
Quickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2464 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4125 times:
Not great for FL, but terrible for FLYI. I would think that any potential white knight investor in FLYI, based on an IAD hub, might have second thoughts.
I know DCA and LGA are preferred airports, but one has to wonder what the shuttle routes are truly worth in light of the new B6 and FL service.
UN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4286 posts, RR: 5 Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4047 times:
Why doesn't B6 get into JFK-IAD? Their competition is only UAX, which on that route is terrible.
-Mr. X
Quickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2464 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4030 times:
JetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 4 Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3947 times:
Quoting MiCorazonAzul (Reply 9): We will very soon. Expect to see more Florida destinations from IAD (non-stop service).......
Yea probably MCO and TPA first and then maybe others.
I will post more when I have more time. (Im in RDU)
PVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3375 posts, RR: 18 Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3922 times:
Wow, more capacity in the BOS-WASH market. Something GOT to give here soon. I-Air is the obvious choice, but I'm hoping this will open up UA's eye's to bump some PVD flights up to spread thier grip on the entire NE region versus just BOS and BDL...
Lightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 10696 posts, RR: 100 Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3857 times:
Quoting Quickmover (Reply 6): Not great for FL, but terrible for FLYI. I would think that any potential white knight investor in FLYI, based on an IAD hub, might have second thoughts.
Concur. DH has had trouble getting a frequent flier base. (Not to mention a profit...) B6 will tap into a growing BOS base.
I see FL and B6 competing for the pieces at IAD. However, this isn't great... both airlines are similar in size (~100 aircraft FL, IIRC 86 for B6 at end of 2005). I agree this will be hard on UA.
Usairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3100 posts, RR: 8 Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3765 times:
Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 4): I think there's enough traffic between BOS and IAD to sustain business for both airlines. Does UA Express or UA mainline fly between IAD and BOS? I haven't looked online or in the OAG.
You have to also remember that two airlines are flying hourly shuttles into DCA as well. Add 10 or so UA flts, 4(?) FL flts, and 6 B6 flts and you are certainly getting to the over saturation point. And i highly doubt the numbers will stop there, FL and B6 will most likely add more flts.
I am not familiar with the market but how viable is IAD as a shuttle airport to BOS and potentially JFK down the road. B6 has been big on its in-flight service but for such short flts it probably won't mean much. With respect to FL and B6 on BOS-IAD won't it come down to loyal customers and a who has the lowest fare?
Also a key for these business shuttle routes between key NE markets is frequency. FL was on the verge of cancelling PHL-BOS because they only had 3 flts a day which was nothing against US' 15 or so and 6-8 each from AE and Delta Connection. The two regional carriers have since exited the market but WN has stepped in at PVD and MHT, however FL now has 7-8 flts BOS-PHL and i would speculate that they are doing much better than they were with only 3.
Petazulu From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 701 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3708 times:
I love B6, but seriously, who wants to fly IAD-JFK??? Think about how unpractical that is. IAD is a one hour drive from DC and JFK is a one hours drive from NYC. FActor in checkin, flights, etc.... not many people would do this. At least not frequently!
SHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3661 posts, RR: 18 Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3691 times:
Riding a bicycle, JFK may be an hour from New York City Hall. Driving, you have to be kidding me, even if you are referring to downtown. Besides, last I checked, wasn't Kennedy Airport IN New York City?!?!?
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Carfield From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1727 posts, RR: 9 Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3662 times:
Well I live in NYC Downtown, and getting to JFK will add another 15 and 20 minutes journey on a good day than getting to LGA. Getting to Queens is equallly bad, and JFK actually sort of gets a direct subway link and LGA requires some kind of transit from subway to bus. Of course, LGA has its own advantage especially 15-20 minutes means much for some high end corporation folks... but JFK-IAD actually will somewhat work for people, who work for companies that have bases near Dulles (lots of them), and folks who live out in Queens, and Brooklyn in NYC.
I already noticed that there were lots of business folks who flew JFK-BOS because it was really much cheaper than the shuttle by DL or US. Traffic into NYC is bad anyway on any weekday mornings... I actually see potentials on JFK-IAD, as well... of course it will not really completely threaten US or DL Shuttle's LGA-DCA, which is really downtown to downtown service... But it is good to have that option...
JFK-IAD can also tap into some of the connecting traffic too.
Flyi definitely will not like these new additional flights...
BTW, is Jetblue getting more EMB-190s? They only has three now... Or some of the Boston to JFK flights will get the larger A320s?
GroundStop From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 611 posts, RR: 6 Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3629 times:
Give me a break. Do they pump you guys full of that blue juice? From the second FL announced this route, the common thought was that B6 would soon match it. It certainly is no surprise. As has been stated above, its a shot at DH, and UA is going to be caught in the crossfire. Keep dreaming, FL will be just fine.
JetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2785 posts, RR: 15 Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3531 times:
It's a slap in the face for FL because they just announced it last week.. B6 is sort of saying, "No way are we gonna let you take that route without a fight." Notice how their launch date is before AirTran's. The announcement of this route was basically so that they could get into the market before FL.
Now that's a slap in the face IMO. I think this is more geared toward jumping onto the route before FL rather than competing against DH. If they wanted to compete against DH, they would have already launched JFK-IAD and some more IAD flights (which we'll be seeing very very soon to Florida, California, etc.).
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Iowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4105 posts, RR: 7 Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3440 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW FORUM MODERATOR
Offical Announcement:
Boston to the Capital -- JetBlue Continues Logan Expansion With New Service to Washington, D.C. Dulles
Friday November 18, 8:00 am ET
Low-Fare Airline to Offer Up to Six Daily Roundtrips Starting
January 17, 2006
Introductory Fares Begin at $25(a) Each Way
NEW YORK, Nov. 18, 2005 (PRIMEZONE) -- JetBlue Airways Corp. (NasdaqNM:JBLU - News) today announces new service between Boston Logan International Airport and Washington, D.C. Dulles International Airport starting January 17, 2006, with six roundtrips during the week, and five roundtrips on the weekends. Introductory fares begin at $25.(a) Regular JetBlue fares will range from $55 to $140 each way.(a)
``Customers in Boston and Washington fly to each other's city more than any other destination,'' said David Neeleman, JetBlue's CEO. ``We thought it was time to introduce low fares and great service to these frequent flyers, and make travel even more affordable and fun for customers in this busy market.''
By April, JetBlue will have 50 daily departures from Boston. JetBlue recently introduced new nonstop service from Boston to New York (JFK), and to Seattle. The low-fare airline also tripled the number of destinations available to Bostonians via new connecting service through New York. In addition, JetBlue will begin nonstop service from Boston to: Austin, TX (Jan. 19, 2006), to Nassau, The Bahamas (Feb. 2, 2006) and to Richmond, VA (March 31, 2006).
JetBlue's service from Washington D.C. increases to 16 daily departures with the start of new nonstop flights to Boston, the most popular destination for Washingtonians. JetBlue also serves the No. 2 (South Florida) and No. 3 (Southern California) most popular destinations for Washington residents, with nonstop service to Fort Lauderdale, FL, Long Beach, CA and San Diego, CA.
JetBlue will offer an introductory sale fare between Boston and Washington, D.C. (Dulles Airport) of $25(a) each way. This sale fare must be purchased by Nov. 30, 2005 and is valid for travel between Jan. 17 and Feb. 15, 2006. The carrier's regular fares will range from $55(a) to $140(a) each way, and the regular fares do not require any advance purchase.
Boston, MA (BOS) to Washington, DC (IAD) to
Washington, DC (IAD) Boston, MA (BOS)
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Service begins Jan. 17, 2006 and is daily, unless otherwise noted.
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GroundStop From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 611 posts, RR: 6 Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3398 times:
JetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2785 posts, RR: 15 Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3302 times:
I don't think this route is being launched for connecting routes. That's just one of the many reasons BOS-JFK was launched...
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Lightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 10696 posts, RR: 100 Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3203 times:
Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 23): I don't think this route is being launched for connecting routes. That's just one of the many reasons BOS-JFK was launched...
As per the press release, BOS-Washington is a big market (see following quote from the release). While I'll agree DCA is a more attractive airport for most of the customer base, I have no doubt this route will be popular. Partially due to the press of two LCC's launching the route!
Quoting Iowaman (Reply 19): ``Customers in Boston and Washington fly to each other's city more than any other destination,''
Thanks for posting this Iowaman.
Quoting Carfield (Reply 16):
BTW, is Jetblue getting more EMB-190s? They only has three now... Or some of the Boston to JFK flights will get the larger A320s?
We need a regular "B6 E190 delivery thread!"
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25 JetBluefan1: Just thought this was interesting...FL's highest walk-up fare is $234 and B6's is $140. JetBluefan1
26 A330323X: Two? Only US Airways Shuttle offers hourly DCA-BOS service, with 15x daily A319 flights. Delta Connection and American Eagle offer about 8x daily RJ
27 Drewfly: This is excellent news. I have been hoping for IAD-BOS for quite a while; I've always wanted to take a daytrip down to Dulles and check out the museum
28 Zippyjet: Best of luck Jet Blue. You should have no problem packing those IAD-BOS flights. We stack em and pack em out of BWI FL. To my fellow colleagues at J.B
29 Malaysia: Probably spoiled B6 IAD employees who no longer can exploit DH to get to JFK for the real B6 destinations, since DH moved to LGA.
30 JetBluefan1: Exploit? B6 and DH had a contract in which both airlines could use each other's companies to get Crew home via non-revving. I don't know for DH but I
31 S5FA170: As a Flight Attendant who's own airline doesn't allow us to jumpseat, I am EXTREMELY grateful for B6's policy on allowing any crewmember from any airl
32 DCA-ROCguy: It's a slap in the face for FL because they just announced it last week.. B6 is sort of saying, "No way are we gonna let you take that route without a
33 InTheSky74: I'm waiting for JFK-IAD to be announced as well - which would connect the final dot between the three cities. Rob
34 MiCorazonAzul: I do believe I said POSSIBILITIES. I never said the route was being launched for connecting traffic.
35 JetBluefan1: Nevertheless, I don't see any connection possiblities. First off, no one from IAD would fly all the way up to BOS to make a connection on another Jet
36 Kahala777: While you are at it ask United Airlines! Spoiled, No... Appreciated, Yes! Indy Air is on borrowed time, dont look for them much longer... buh-bye! KA
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