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Airbus A340-600HGW Makes First Flight  
User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 22902 times:

The latest version of the A340 family the A340-600HGW, has taken to the air. Its maiden flight over Toulouse lasted four hours and a half. The A346HGW will undertake a six month certification campaign.

The first A340-600HGW will be delivered to Qatar Airlines in the summer of 2006.


http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre...leases_items/11_18_05_A340600.html

Congratulation to Airbus. Lets just hope that you live up to your promises.

Regards,
Wings


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User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2173 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 22770 times:
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Airbus is so incredibly positive about its products in its newsletters. They finish off by saying that 680 A330/340/350 are already flying... they should read through what they write before putting it out on the web...

Anyhoo, I hope the A346HGW is unbelievably economic in operation and lead to a rush of orders from airlines we never expected would order it  Smile



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User currently offlineRedDragon From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1135 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 22752 times:

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 1):
They finish off by saying that 680 A330/340/350 are already flying...

Dunno the numbers, but they may not technically be wrong...  Wink


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21478 posts, RR: 60
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 22720 times:

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 1):
680 A330/340/350 are already flying

If it's all new, why list the 350 in the same "family" since it shares far fewer parts than the 330/340 share with each other...  stirthepot 



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User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 22717 times:

All three of the mid-east carriers they describe as prospects have gone for the B777-300ER in recent months.

User currently offlineMagyarorszag From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 22643 times:

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 1):
They finish off by saying that 680 A330/340/350 are already flying...

Look at reply 24 on the following. 680 already flying is certainly right, but it doesn't include the not-yet-in-the-air A350.
RE: Airbus Delivers 4,000th Aircraft. (by Magyarorszag Sep 10 2005 in Civil Aviation)#ID2320431

Cheers,

M.


User currently offlineMagyarorszag From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 22470 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 3):
If it's all new, why list the 350 in the same "family" since it shares far fewer parts than the 330/340 share with each other...

Here is a beginning of answer:
http://www.airbus.com/en/aircraftfamilies/a350/commonality.html

And here are a few tech specs.

-Length: A332 (58,8m) A333/343 (63,6m) A358 (58,8m) A359 (65,2m)

-Span A332/333/343 (60,3m) A358/359 (61,1m)

-MGTOW A332/333 (230/233t) A343 (275t) A358/359 (245t)

-Range A332 (12'500km) A333 (10'500) A343 (13'350) A358 (16'300) A359 (13'890)

-Fuselage diameter A332/333/343/358/359 (5,6m)


User currently offlineDeltaWings From Switzerland, joined Aug 2004, 1294 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 22433 times:

Mostlikely the A340-600HGW will be named the A340-600X, like the A330-300X and the A340-300X ?


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User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 22397 times:

Anyone know how the A340-600HGW stacks up viz a viz the 777-300ER in terms of operating economics?

At least in terms of what Airbus is trumpeting?


User currently offlineBoeing767-300 From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 659 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 22184 times:

A 'New one after only three years. It still has to live up to the sales hype but in any event I suspect the horse has already bolted!!

User currently offlineAirbusA346 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 7437 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 22108 times:

Forgive me for asking, but what is the Airbus A340-600HGW.

I don't want flaming for this.  duck   flamed 

Tom.



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User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 22084 times:

Quoting AirbusA346 (Reply 10):
Forgive me for asking, but what is the Airbus A340-600HGW

A higher gross weight version of the baseline A340-600, with extended range.


User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 22080 times:

Quoting AirbusA346 (Reply 10):
Forgive me for asking, but what is the Airbus A340-600HGW.

Airbus saw the writing on the wall during the 777-300ER flight testing and concluded that they would need to update both the -500 and -600 to compete better with the -200LR and -300ER's performance parameters. Speculation is that they are closer but still have not achieved parity. Widebodyphotog has had some specific charts with data, I believe.



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User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 22071 times:

Quoting AirbusA346 (Reply 10):
Forgive me for asking, but what is the Airbus A340-600HGW.

I don't want flaming for this.

With such a username, you probably deserve a berating for asking such a question...

Anyway it looks the difference is an extra 250 nm of range...as far as I can tell.


User currently offlineGQfluffy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 22009 times:

Quoting N328KF (Reply 12):
Widebodyphotog has had some specific charts with data, I believe.

LoL. It's amazing how much we rely on him...

Quoting N79969 (Reply 13):
With such a username, you probably deserve a berating for asking such a question...

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

Quoting N79969 (Reply 13):
Anyway it looks the difference is an extra 250 nm of range...as far as I can tell.

Is that all? It has to be more then that... Hopefully, for the aircraft's sake...


User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 21963 times:

I may stand corrected...Airbus claims it will fly 250 NM further than the competitor which is obviously the 773ER. My impression is that both the baseline 346 and 773ER had virtually identical range...here I may be wrong though

User currently offlineGQfluffy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 21944 times:

Poor a/c. They really must've put that thing on a diet. Wonder what a anorexic A346 looks like???  bigthumbsup 

250 NM more then the 773ER...not bad. Not bad at all...


User currently offlineBreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1915 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 21676 times:

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 1):
They finish off by saying that 680 A330/340/350 are already flying... they should read through what they write before putting it out on the web...

In operation:
198 A330-200s
173 A330-300s
236 A340-200/300s
21 A340-500s
50 A340-600s

which make a total of 678 A330/A340s.
The figure of 680 is close enough.


User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2815 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 21562 times:

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 14):
I may stand corrected...Airbus claims it will fly 250 NM further than the competitor which is obviously the 773ER. My impression is that both the baseline 346 and 773ER had virtually identical range...here I may be wrong though

The 77W has a definite range advantage over the 346 baseline so the HGW shows a much greater range boost than 250NM (good thing since 250NM wouldn't be that impressive). The question is though, with what payload? The baseline was weight limited. Does that still apply to the HGW?


User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8943 posts, RR: 40
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 21474 times:

Quoting Backfire (Reply 11):

A higher gross weight version of the baseline A340-600, with extended range.

May I ask how this was achieved?

Improved engines, improved wings, weight reduction - or a bit of all of the above?

Cheers



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User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 21454 times:

Quoting Glom (Reply 18):
The 77W has a definite range advantage over the 346 baseline so the HGW shows a much greater range boost than 250NM (good thing since 250NM wouldn't be that impressive). The question is though, with what payload? The baseline was weight limited. Does that still apply to the HGW?

That was actually me and not GQ who you quoted. Thanks for the clarification. That press release is awfully lean on detail. Hard to tell what the improvements mean exactly.

If recent 773ER sales are any indication, they don't mean much.


User currently offlineAirbusA346 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 7437 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 21220 times:

Quoting N79969 (Reply 13):
With such a username, you probably deserve a berating for asking such a question...

 hyper   laughing   hyper   laughing   hyper   laughing 

Tom.



Tom Walker '086' First Officer of a A318/A319 for Air Lambert - Hours Flown: 17 hour 05 minutes (last updated 24/12/05).
User currently offlineAerLingusA330 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 21133 times:

Excuse my lack of knowledge......but what does HGW stand for? Thanks-


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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8943 posts, RR: 40
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 21109 times:

Quoting AerLingusA330 (Reply 22):
Excuse my lack of knowledge......but what does HGW stand for? Thanks-

High(er) Gross Weight

Cheers



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User currently offlineAirbusA346 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 7437 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 21079 times:

Quoting AerLingusA330 (Reply 22):
Excuse my lack of knowledge......but what does HGW stand for? Thanks-

I asked that in reply 10. (look below)

Quoting AirbusA346 (Reply 10):
Forgive me for asking, but what is the Airbus A340-600HGW.

Tom.



Tom Walker '086' First Officer of a A318/A319 for Air Lambert - Hours Flown: 17 hour 05 minutes (last updated 24/12/05).
25 Intothinair : I'm wondering the same thing, will it have any improvements? My GUESS would be that they haven't made much improvement, and have sacrificed some carg
26 OldAeroGuy : Primarily by increased gross weight and increased fuel volume. Max. zero fuel weight was also increased. Now max. payload is limited by volume rather
27 MidnightMike : While you are counting, how many A350 aircraft are flying around?
28 Post contains images RJ111 : Airbus planned the HGW version from the start, actually.
29 Post contains images Glideslope : Yup. Nothing new here.
30 Glideslope : Can you post anything from the first 340 series information? I can't find any mention of the HGW until the 773?
31 Post contains images Ikramerica : Oh, I know all that. I'm just saying you can't have it both ways. It's "all new" with a surprisingly large resemblance to another jet in one breath,
32 Hamlet69 : Actually, this is not correct. Though originally the 773ER and base A346 were to be virtually identical in range, the 773ER out-grew it's specs and b
33 PyroGX41487 : This does much to close the gap with the 773ER, even surpass it in every category Hamlet mentioned save for max payload (2000 pounds. That's a tonne,
34 Luisca : there is still the problem that with higher wieght comes higher fuel compsumption since their has been no improvement in fuel compsumption of the eng
35 GQfluffy : Thanks Hamlet for posting those numbers. But, is this too little too late for Airbus?
36 Post contains images Astuteman : Quote "it is equipped with the latest development of the Trent 500 engine". Of course, assuming that any engine development for an Airbus aircraft im
37 Trex8 : wow, a whopping 20nm further on the A346HGW than the 773ER, I'm sure in real life airline operations that will be a make or break thing! The 350lbs o
38 Post contains images Johnny : @hamlet69 just try to compare it with tons!!! (not lbs) dow,payload and so on are all calculated with tons in the daily airline operations! that is th
39 FRAspotter : Any ideas where Qatar Airways might fly their A346HGW's to? I was thinking maybe JFK, ORD, IAD, or even LAX?
40 Post contains links JBOND : picture just before 1st flight http://www.airliners.net/open.file/962071/L/
41 AlitaliaMD11 : Since the first A340-600HGW has grey engines can I assume that it will be the first A340-600HGW going to Qatar Airways?
42 Post contains images Flying Belgian : When you see what's been achieved in 25 years, I think one can be proud of its product without being arrogant at all. Long live to Airbus Industries.
43 FRAspotter : That would be correct.....
44 Post contains images A360 : The HGW has also more powerfull engines: 4x 60.000lb. That's more powerfull than the 773ER and as powerfull as a 744! No one can call this 340 underpo
45 Ikramerica : Wow, that coloring really makes the length of that jet standout. It's like a DC8-60 on steroids!
46 11Bravo : So the A346HGW has 20nm greater range, but with 1,500 lbs less payload than the B777-300ER. Those numbers seem to suggest that the two aircraft are m
47 KLMCedric : OK, so how how about pax numbers, doesn't the 346 hold 20 more passengers then the 773(in typical 3-class layout)? The payload of the 346 is less, but
48 A360 : From the airbus That's just the number Airbus and Boeing give... The 777-300 is larger than the 340-600. they carry about the same number of passenger
49 A360 : I read in the airbus newsrelease that besides the middle east carriers, also LH and VS have ordered it. This is new to me, as nobody seemed to know he
50 Jascmil : Is it me, or does that press release leave something to be desired? For example, "Currently more than 680 A330/A340/A350 Family aircraft are in operat
51 Francoflier : Is it possible to retrofit the 'standard' 340-600 into a HGW one? If yes, would it be of any interest for the base A340-600 operators (say with some A
52 Dazeflight : that's the point of a press release.
53 Columba : I really want to know that, too.
54 OldAeroGuy : Not a chance. The structural changes are too extensive.
55 A342 : In case you didn´t notice, this is just for the A330/340/350. Airbus has an overall backlog of over 1500 aircraft.
56 Trex8 : the A346 is how shall one put it, a little porky, compared to the competition.
57 Ikramerica : 180,000L of fuel in 773ER 194,000L of fuel in a 346 One can assume that the 346 burns more fuel on the same payload/range run as the 773ER, 7-8%. Both
58 A319XFW : I think that all A356 will be the "HGW" version as it'll become standard. But don't slate me if I remember wrong! The main improvements are on the wi
59 Kahala777 : It looks like a modernized version of the all-American DC-8 and 707! KAHALA777
60 BG777300ER : Ummm, the A340HGW's range is only 20 more nautical miles than the B773ER. I wouldn't call that "beating" the 773, would you?
61 Stitch : I wonder how that extra weight over the 773ER will affect airport operations (if at all). ORY was whining about the weight of AF's 773ERs on their ta
62 BG777300ER : They should name it the A340-700, that'd be kind of cool.
63 N328KF : Not only that, but both are within the margins of rounding. The "7900nm" figure for the A340 HGW could just be "7860" rounded up, for example.
64 Sonic67 : It seems to me that both the 777-3ER and 340-6HGW almost identical in capabilities .The only difference that I see is the 777 does it more efficiently
65 Ikramerica : yikes, you and I agree on something. considering Airbus does round all their range numbers on their website to 100s from what I can tell, that isn't
66 N328KF : The 773B hauls more cargo, though.
67 Ruscoe : Recent direct competitions between the 773ER and 346HGW has resulted in a win for the 777. Air canada and Emirates come to mind. As has been mentioned
68 Stitch : It's ETOPS-180/207 because that is the current maximum, though she has done a 389-minute ETOPS flight in testing and is capable of ETOPS-330 (if such
69 Trex8 : IIRC wasn't the 773ER weight problem on certain runways due to some strange "kick" the main landing gear gives when the plane rotates, it wasn't due
70 N79969 : Eye opening. The A340-600 can be politely called a "big-boned" girl.
71 Post contains images Sonic67 : Unfortunately it seems that the A340-5HGW is too little too late. Other than maybe routes to an island where ETOPS may come in to play, and airlines t
72 Post contains images Ikramerica : Not too much more by weight, and the same by volume (7000 cu ft, IIRC). Something tells me that now that the A350 is being sold, ETOPS 240 will magic
73 Astuteman : 30T ? more like 26, 500 lb (or 12t)
74 OldAeroGuy : He's asking why the A346HGW weights 30T more than the 773ER to yield the same payload/range. It is a good question.
75 Astuteman : Quite right. My apologies, Ruscoe. A
76 Post contains images FlyAUA : If you include the aircraft that Airbus "owns" for testing etc... you reach 680
77 Stitch : Yet NH and JL are 777 operators, and they have fought against an extension (even ETOPS-207) longer then Europe... That being said, with NH's 773ER an
78 Kaneporta1 : By the way, 12t in OEW difference, isn't that the weight of the two extra engines?
79 Mlsrar : I believe you missed the boat; JL is already flying 77Ws.
80 Post contains images Lemurs : It's not a 'kick' per se, though I guess that's as good a description as any. On rotation, the point of rotation changes from the main axel on the bo
81 Post contains links N60659 : Nice description Lemurs. For a little additional description (with a picture to illustrate): http://airtransportbiz.free.fr/Aircraft/777X-6.html -N60
82 Stitch : Yes, the 777-300, which I imagine is used for "domestic" runs. My quote specifically noted the 777-300ER, which JL has not yet placed an order for, w
83 Post contains links N60659 : I'm afraid this is not correct: http://active.boeing.com/commercial/...tSort=Date&ViewReportF=View+Report JL was the first airline to firm an order (
84 N79969 : Some of JAL's -300ER have been in service since last year.
85 RedFlyer : I don't understand why the runway loading would be intense at that point since the wings would be generating a considerable amount of lift, evidenced
86 Post contains images Stitch : Well that's what I get for trusting sources linked from Google and not Boeing's own site. I stand corrected.
87 Lemurs : Think about it from the perspective of total surface area. When the airplane is in that rotated configuration, it has only 4 of 14 wheels on the runw
88 OldAeroGuy : You're correct, the load on the aft tires at this point is about the same as the taxi condition. The wing is bearing a significant fraction of the ai
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