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Point Of IB Honduras Hub With B/C-market Airliners  
User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2296 times:

With C-market airliners becoming cheap as dirt (see 787/A350), it seems to me that Iberia's desire to Honduras is rather pointless in retrospect. IB could not obviously tell that at the time they made the decision, but the hub-busters are here to stay.

[Edited 2005-11-18 23:07:53]


When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' T.Roosevelt
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User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 3008 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2262 times:

Could you provide some background? Sorry if it's been discussed, but I haven't heard anything about Iberia opening a hub in Honduras...


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User currently offlineSflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2205 times:

Well somebody can correct me, but as far as I know, the don't have one. I was under the inpression that SJO is handling some of those route now, On IB's website only SAP is purchaseable and it's with a conneciton in MIA on 1W partner AA. I did find nonstops on IB SJO-GUA and SJO-PTY.
IB used to operate a mini-hub at MIA, but after Sept 11, it became very complicate to connect in US airports internationally because of VIsa requirements. The hub was important before, but now with more economical long haul planes and alliances, it was wise to just let the whole thing go and fly point to point. Hub-busters is right!!!
As far as I know, there is no Honduras hub.

Though, I do miss the DC-9's in IB colors at MIA  Sad
It was a reminder of the Iberian Latin American connection.

sflaflight


User currently offlineFrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3845 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2106 times:

Iberia was planning on opening that Honduran hub as a substitute for the MIA hub.

Even though the 'point to point' airliners are coming to the market at reasonable prices, most of IB's Central-American destinations are still too small to handle jets the size of a 787 or A350.

I don't know if that plan is still on the table, but it would seem viable to me since most of those destinations still have to connect via MIA, except with AA now, which does not solve the initial immigration-visa-transit problem (a big problem for many people there).

SAP has a decent runway, little traffic. The airport has room for expansion, there's cheap labor, and is ideally located in the middle of Central America.

If it ever came through, it would be a major boost for SAP. They'd finally get the ILS and radar working, maybe even some decent ATC controllers at last and terminal expansion.



Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit posting...
User currently offlineFrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3845 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2102 times:

Iberia was planning on opening that Honduran hub as a substitute for the MIA hub.

Even though the 'point to point' airliners are coming to the market at reasonable prices, most of IB's Central-American destinations are still too small to handle jets the size of a 787 or A350.

I don't know if that plan is still on the table, but it would seem viable to me since most of those destinations still have to connect via MIA, except with AA now, which does not solve the initial immigration-visa-transit problem (a big problem for many people there).

SAP has a decent runway, little traffic. The airport has room for expansion, there's cheap labor, and is ideally located in the middle of Central America.

If it ever came through, it would be a major boost for SAP. They'd finally get the ILS and radar working, maybe even some decent ATC controllers at last and terminal expansion.



Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit posting...
User currently offlineA300605R From Germany, joined Nov 2005, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1973 times:

Why don't they move to HAV with their Hub for Middle- and South America flights? HAV offers free Slots and a perfect position in this area, as MIA did. In addition to that, I suppose that Cuba and the City of Havana would offer a big market of passengers itself, especially if there was an interline agreement with Cubana.


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User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1926 times:

Quoting Francoflier (Reply 4):
SAP has a decent runway, little traffic. The airport has room for expansion, there's cheap labor, and is ideally located in the middle of Central America.

I agree with you, but IB codeshare with TA to cover SAP daily.


User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1903 times:

Quoting A300605R (Reply 5):
Why don't they move to HAV with their Hub for Middle- and South America flights? HAV offers free Slots and a perfect position in this area, as MIA did. In addition to that, I suppose that Cuba and the City of Havana would offer a big market of passengers itself, especially if there was an interline agreement with Cubana.

That's a sure way to ensure that Americans don't fly IB.



When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' T.Roosevelt
User currently offlineMGA From Nicaragua, joined Mar 2005, 726 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 weeks ago) and read 1842 times:

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 6):
I agree with you, but IB codeshare with TA to cover SAP daily

This codeshare is almost useless, at least in my expirience. I constantly book frieds flights from MAD to MGA, SAL and SAP (and vice versa) and the TA codeshare sometimes doesnt even appear. And if it does, it is way more expensive that the IB or AA MAD-MIA plus AA to Central America fares. I think they maintianed Miami as a conection point.

MGA



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User currently offlineBullpitt From Spain, joined Mar 2004, 871 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1797 times:

N328KF

I think that would only hold back from flying IB the narrow minded Americans. The important thing is How many narrow minded Americans are there?  biggrin 

I imagine Visa requirements and expenses had more to do with it than whether Americans would still fly IB.



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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1793 times:

Quoting Bullpitt (Reply 9):
I imagine Visa requirements and expenses had more to do with it than whether Americans would still fly IB.

That's what I mean...the U.S. Government would not allow US passengers to book connections via HAV. There are other places in the area besides HAV, anyhow, that don't have as much in the way of politics involved.



When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' T.Roosevelt
User currently offlineBullpitt From Spain, joined Mar 2004, 871 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1777 times:

The fact that Americans can not connect with IB via HAV I don't think had much to do with it, as they are catered for with the MIA flight and then on to AA for other Central American destinations. One of the main reasons the MIA hub was canceled was that the USA required most transit paps to apply for a visa at a cost of US100 NON REFUNDEABLE if it was denied (Talk about arm robbery). HAV again has VISA problems so I think that ruled them out from the start and it was SDQ who had a bigger chance of getting a new HUB although as we all know IB have decided, at least for the moment to get rid of the HUB and instead increase the direct flights to Central America.


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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1764 times:

Quoting Bullpitt (Reply 11):
The fact that Americans can not connect with IB via HAV I don't think had much to do with it, as they are catered for with the MIA flight and then on to AA for other Central American destinations. One of the main reasons the MIA hub was canceled was that the USA required most transit paps to apply for a visa at a cost of US100 NON REFUNDEABLE if it was denied (Talk about arm robbery). HAV again has VISA problems so I think that ruled them out from the start and it was SDQ who had a bigger chance of getting a new HUB although as we all know IB have decided, at least for the moment to get rid of the HUB and instead increase the direct flights to Central America.

None of us were referring to why the MIA hub was cancelled. I was just stating why Americans wouldn't fly through HAV, but my original question seems to have been lost. I am just questioning IB needing a hub in this hemisphere at all, with ULR airliners coming online.



When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' T.Roosevelt
User currently offlineLuisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1746 times:

Quoting Bullpitt (Reply 9):
N328KF

I think that would only hold back from flying IB the narrow minded Americans. The important thing is How many narrow minded Americans are there?

I imagine Visa requirements and expenses had more to do with it than whether Americans would still fly IB.



Quoting Bullpitt (Reply 11):
The fact that Americans can not connect with IB via HAV I don't think had much to do with it, as they are catered for with the MIA flight and then on to AA for other Central American destinations. One of the main reasons the MIA hub was canceled was that the USA required most transit paps to apply for a visa at a cost of US100 NON REFUNDEABLE if it was denied (Talk about arm robbery). HAV again has VISA problems so I think that ruled them out from the start and it was SDQ who had a bigger chance of getting a new HUB although as we all know IB have decided, at least for the moment to get rid of the HUB and instead increase the direct flights to Central America.

No nos andes insultando de esa manera, tu sabes que es mucho mas que "estupidez americana", hazme el favor, Yo vivo en miami y jamas le dare un peso a Cuba mientras siga ese asesino en el poder, y no soy americano de naciento asi que no apliques lo de la ignorancia americana, fidel es un asesino y no merece apoyo de nadie. Ademas de que el apoya a ETA, pero a ustedes en Espana "convenientemente" se les olvida eso por que prefieren ahorrarse unas cuantas pesetas en sus vacaciones cuando pudieran ir a cualquier otro pais del caribe con playas iguales e inclusive mejores. Que me dices de ninos y ninas de 14 y 15 anos que se tienen que prostituir por un par de pantaletas o unos cuantos dolares? tambien los "turistas iluminados" que visitan Cuba se aprovechan de la miseria de la gente por que prefieren putas baratas. Eso es enfermo, y que se de abiertamente me duele como ser humano, especialmente en un pais tan bello como Cuba

TRANSLATION

Dont insult americans in that way, you know perfectly well that it is more than american narrowmindness, I live in Miami and I will never ever give one cent to Cuba as long as this murderer is in power. And I am not even American by birth sodont apply the American narrowmindness on me. FIdel is a murderer and should not be helped by anyone. Besides, He supports ETA (a spanish terrorist group) but spanish seem to conviniently forget this becouse they prefer to save a few pennies on ther vacation when they could perfectly go to any other caribbean country with same or even better beaches. What can you tell me of 14 and 15 year old boys and girls who have to rely on prostitution for a pair of panties or a few dollars?? The "non narrowminded" tourist love to take advantage of their "cheap prostitutes" when they visit Cuba. The fact that this happens sickens me, specially in such a beautifull country as Cuba.

[Edited 2005-12-01 23:11:47]

User currently offlineBullpitt From Spain, joined Mar 2004, 871 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1733 times:

I wont even comment the last remark because is full of Sh*T I have never said anything in favour of Fidel, I don't agree with any dictators but I'm sure if you want to find 14 yrs old prostitutes there's more of them in the US than in Cuba (Larger population)  smile  And by the way The Spaniards go for their summer holidays where they please because we are a free nation.

N328KF Sorry if you didn't understand me I was just stating some of the reasons why the MIA hub was cancelled and why no HUB was put in the area. I agree with you that IB is better off increasing is direct flights and reaching agreements with other companies in the area.



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User currently offlineMGA From Nicaragua, joined Mar 2005, 726 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1653 times:

Relax People. Lets talk about IB and their Central America operations!  Smile

MGA



Que viva el guaro, el dinero y los aviones!!!
User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1634 times:

Quoting MGA (Reply 15):
Relax People. Lets talk about IB and their Central America operations!

No crap. I was just hypothesizing that IB's decision (which may have made sense at the time) seems to have been mooted in the medium term, and was looking for opinions or confirmation on the subject.



When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' T.Roosevelt
User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1589 times:

The IB Centralamerican flights should look like this:
MAD-SJO-PTY-MAD 4 X week, MAD-SJO-MGA-MAD 3 X week,
MAD-GUA-SAL-MAD 4 X week, MAD-GUA-SAP-MAD 3 X week,
maybe BCN-SJO-PTY-BCN 3 x week (same days as SJO-MGA flight), with conditional stopover traffic in Centralamerican legs and all with A340, A330 and/or A310 !!.
Then they would serve every major centralamerican city (except TGU - airport restrictions and BZE - better candidate for VS or BA) and no need for a hub in the Caribbean.



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User currently offlineAer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1564 times:

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 17):

I couln't agree more, but you could also add BCN-GUA-SJO-BCN just for kicks.



nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently offlineBullpitt From Spain, joined Mar 2004, 871 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1521 times:

You can forget about any direct flights from BCN they way things are going BCN will loose some of the point to point flights already operating.


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