Zippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 4743 posts, RR: 13 Posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3350 times:
If this has been covered sorry, please don't flame me out!
RoseFlyer excellent thread on the L-1011 at 35 got me to thinking...
What if Lockheed was still in the commercial airliner business? Some of my thoughts though they may be way off course:
Of course, there would be like a 4th. Or 5th. Generation L-1011 probably with engines from another vendor. And, the latest version would expand on the originals lower level concept (galley) and have of course food and beverage facilities, seating, crew rest, showers, and whatever else you can imagine for a jumbo uber bird. Of course to go head on with the 380 and the
747-8.
HSCT would be closer to reality than with no Lockheed (commercial aviation)
Of course Lockheed would come out with the obligatory twin engine 120
seater to go mano omato with the A-320 and venerable 727.
An intermediate sized plane to compete with the 757.
Depending on market needs, Lockheed may have developed a wide body
ETOPS twin.
Would have pursued the UDF/propfan. Originally, back in the 70's
I first read about the UDF concept being developed by Lockheed. I can't cite the source but I explicit remember: "This airliner could efficiently fly the busy New York-Miami route in the same 2 to 2.5 hour time frame as a conventional jet with a miniscule amount of added noise.
Columba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 6838 posts, RR: 5 Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3301 times:
If Lockheed would have survived McDonnel Douglas would have left the scene much earlier.
I could also imagine a twin engined L1011 as a 767/777 counterpart and a smaller A320/737 sized aircraft. Maybe they would have turned the C 5 Galaxy into a civillian plane as they planned.
How are the chances that they will produce a civialian aircraft again, maybe a regional aircraft ?
It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9 Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3044 times:
I would still have a job!
Quoting Columba (Reply 2): If Lockheed would have survived McDonnel Douglas would have left the scene much earlier.
I could also imagine a twin engined L1011 as a 767/777 counterpart and a smaller A320/737 sized aircraft. Maybe they would have turned the C 5 Galaxy into a civillian plane as they planned.
How are the chances that they will produce a civialian aircraft again, maybe a regional aircraft ?
Lockheed had a family of airplanes with the L-1011-1 as the base. There was a longer fuselage version L-1011-300, a two engine design L-1011-600 a shortened fuselage L-1011-400 with de-rated RB-22-524 engines and a pure freighter. But when Rolls Royce went bankrupt, the Cheyenne was cancelled and there were cost over runs on the C-5 program, they just did not have the money to produce them. After there was a little cash flow they were able to build the L-1011-500 but it was too little too late.
Lockheed will has no plans to re-enter the commercial market. It takes billions of dollars design and build an airliner and billions more to establish the support functions required to market a commercial aircraft, and Lockheed no longer has these in place. They are satisfied to sell as many F-22's and F-35's as they can and let A and B fight it out for the civilian market.
But if and when they do decide to re-enter the commercial market it will be with the most technologically advanced airliner you will have ever seen.
Zippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 4743 posts, RR: 13 Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3003 times:
Quoting 474218 (Reply 5): There was a longer fuselage version L-1011-300, a two engine design L-1011-600 a shortened fuselage L-1011-400 with de-rated RB-22-524 engines and a pure freighter.
Any pictures of prototypes/artist's renderings on the Internet?
EGNR From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 503 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2974 times:
Quoting Zippyjet (Reply 6): Any pictures of prototypes/artist's renderings on the Internet?
This ARTICLE (in German) has a couple of pics in it showing the L-1011-400 and L-1011-600. I also found a pic of an L-1011-600 display model opn the web as well:
Zippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 4743 posts, RR: 13 Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2922 times:
Quoting EGNR (Reply 7): This ARTICLE (in German) has a couple of pics in it showing the L-1011-400 and L-1011-600. I also found a pic of an L-1011-600 display model opn the web as well:
Thank You!
The black and white bird looks tubby and strange with the tail farther away from the tail cone then on other aircraft. The model in color looks like a cool design.
Malaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3191 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days ago) and read 2823 times:
Quoting 474218 (Reply 5): Lockheed will has no plans to re-enter the commercial market.
They would do it again if some idiot airline tycoon comes up to the office with loads of cash and requests a new commercial aircraft design or even better an L-1011 NG with Trent engines and winglets. I once played around making a super L-1011 with a 3-3-3-3 config 777 fuselage and 3 GE90 engines.
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