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Is The Mesaba ARJ 85 Going To Stay?  
User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Posted (9 years 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4688 times:

I read in a few publications that NW/Mesaba was parking the 35 ARJ-85's after the first of the year.
I was looking to buzz down to Fla in late Jan and return Feb 1st and low and behold, I see the ARJ on the DTW-FNT route 2-1-06. Anyone with some info that the ARJ will stick around a little longer or is FEB 1st the cut-off date?
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User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2229 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4658 times:
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An excellent question and one that a whole airline would like the answer on. Some assume the ARJs are waiting for a more favorable lease through the BK process. Some think they may never come back but be replaced by NewGen RJs (of course not by Feb). A bigger question at this point is will Mesaba come back as a NW Express provider. When a whole fleet is being turned in by NW who knows what the answer will be.


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User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4431 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4638 times:
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Quoting Isitsafenow (Thread starter):
see the ARJ on the DTW-FNT route 2-1-06.

Aircraft type and frequency are changed sometimes less than 2 months in advance, so the schedules for Feb. are not even close to finalized.


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4611 times:

Quoting Isitsafenow (Thread starter):
I see the ARJ on the DTW-FNT

And people wonder why NW is so far in the hole.

Q-400's! Q-400's! Q-400's!!!!! And there are only about 50 more routes like this probably where a Q-400 would be far more efficient. I'd venture to say the fuel savings would pay for the additional lease expenses vs the older ARJ's.


User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8956 posts, RR: 60
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4579 times:
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Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 3):
I'd venture to say the fuel savings would pay for the additional lease expenses vs the older ARJ's.



Not only that, but the Q400s would probably be far less expensive to operate from a maintenance perspective...both in terms of parts cost/availability, and overall reliability




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User currently offlineSkySurfer From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 1136 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4550 times:

I would like to venture a guess that when Mesaba 'dispose' of the ARJ's, Lufthansa regional will pounce on them if they can get them at a nice rate. I saw them roll off the production line at Woodford, saw most of them again in MSP and FAR, and to see them go back to Europe would be ironic!

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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21796 posts, RR: 55
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4525 times:

What's happening with the XJ Saabs?

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User currently offlineAirways45 From United Kingdom, joined May 2000, 300 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4513 times:

Am I correct in thinking that Mesaba was profitable before the NWA deal? And that it was only the NWA deal that caused utter turmoil?

Point is, that the Avros were operated at below optimum capacity due to scope clauses (didn't they have less than 70 seats)? But, even with this, Mesaba still made money. Until NWA put the boot in!

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User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2229 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4364 times:
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What makes a regional profitable is when the contract with the mother company pays to fly no matter how many pax are on board. Fuel increases can skew those figures up beyond a profit margin. Older planes eclipsed by more efficient ones can skew the figures.


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