Indy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4368 posts, RR: 9 Posted (7 years 7 months 16 hours ago) and read 3072 times:
Frontier in the past couple of days has started selling IND-CUN tickets. Its a 3x weekly service that will for a month or two butt heads with NW on the saturday service. It is nice that NW has this route but I'm not sure this will be worth keeping for them. The Frontier equipment is much nicer on that route. 18" seats with a 33" pitch and ptv's is hard to compete with. Do you suspect NW will dump that route or try and price Frontier out?
Indy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4368 posts, RR: 9 Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 16 hours ago) and read 3035 times:
Supposedly the demand is there. I believe the news here had stated that some 800 people a week fly to Cancun from Indianapolis. My only concern is there being two saturday flights.
Indy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4368 posts, RR: 9 Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 15 hours ago) and read 2988 times:
Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 6): That makes sense. Thanks Indy.
As long as NW doesn't do something crazy like apply to the DOT to make the service 3x or 5x weekly or worse daily. I can't wait to see the loads on the saturday service for these two airlines come March when they both are running it.
Mariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 22861 posts, RR: 87 Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 15 hours ago) and read 2969 times:
Quoting Indy (Reply 7): As long as NW doesn't do something crazy like apply to the DOT to make the service 3x or 5x weekly or worse daily.
You never know. When Frontier started SLC/CUN as Saturday only, Delta - having ignored Cancun from Salt Lake City - immediately went for daily service.
As to the state of Cancun, they expect to have 85% of the hotel rooms open by December 15.
Frontier is presently running a limited schedule, but ten days ago they said that all flights until early December were "packed".
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31154 posts, RR: 76 Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 14 hours ago) and read 2897 times:
Quoting Indy (Reply 7): As long as NW doesn't do something crazy like apply to the DOT to make the service 3x or 5x weekly or worse daily.
Northwest can fly 7x daily IND-CUN if they want to. They don't need to apply for anything, they have the authority to.
Quote: I can't wait to see the loads on the saturday service for these two airlines come March when they both are running it.
The Saturday loads will probably be excellent. Saturday is the busiest travel day to and from Cancun, especially with many tourists going on Saturday-to-Saturday packages.
Indy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4368 posts, RR: 9 Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 14 hours ago) and read 2893 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9): Northwest can fly 7x daily IND-CUN if they want to. They don't need to apply for anything, they have the authority to.
So even though NW applied for saturday only service to CUN they can still run as often as they want? If I remember correctly NW asked specifically for that day unlike the F9 application which asked for the 3x weekly with the option of adding more if the market demanded it.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31154 posts, RR: 76 Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 13 hours ago) and read 2854 times:
Quoting Indy (Reply 10): So even though NW applied for saturday only service to CUN they can still run as often as they want? If I remember correctly NW asked specifically for that day unlike the F9 application which asked for the 3x weekly with the option of adding more if the market demanded it.
Yes. There are no frequency nor aircraft size restrictions on US-Mexico routes. Airlines can adjust capacity and frequency as much as they want.
Indy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4368 posts, RR: 9 Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 13 hours ago) and read 2849 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11): Yes. There are no frequency nor aircraft size restrictions on US-Mexico routes. Airlines can adjust capacity and frequency as much as they want.
Do they specify things like saturday service in order to improve their chances of having the application approved?
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31154 posts, RR: 76 Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 13 hours ago) and read 2841 times:
Quoting Indy (Reply 12):
Do they specify things like saturday service in order to improve their chances of having the application approved?
The only time airlines need to worry about not getting approved is one there are competing applications for more than the number of available frequency positions. Otherwise, all US-Mexico route authorites are approved regardless, assuming the airline is authorized to fly internationally, is a scheduled airline, good safety record, etc, etc.
FlyGuyClt From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 537 posts, RR: 9 Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 8 hours ago) and read 2790 times:
-Remember NWA is still for formidable competitor.
-When Frontier started MSP to LAX service NWA matched and even started DEN to LAX. The verdict. Frontier is out of the MSP to LAX nonstop market and so is NWA on the DEN to LAX market.
-While the Frontier equipment is more customer friendly. The power of the FF programs play a huge role.
-NWA still is a safe reliable way to travel. They are currently running over a 99% completion factor for November.
Stlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8994 posts, RR: 27 Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2586 times:
Quoting Mariner (Reply 16): Are you suggesting that Frontier is not safe?
don't see where you would get that from.
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9): The Saturday loads will probably be excellent. Saturday is the busiest travel day to and from Cancun, especially with many tourists going on Saturday-to-Saturday packages.
second that. I imagine most, if not all of the Saturday flights from February through April will be sold out. Northwest, I would even say, could put a second run on Sundays and that flight would be sold out. I know a lot of the Big Ten Schools and the other colleges in the area, going beyond the spring break activities, have been using the history of the area, i.e. the ruins, etc. as a field study program which typically involves a class meeting 5 or 6 times during the semester and then the week, 10-day, or two week travel study excursion.
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Willbdsp From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 300 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2490 times:
With the flights coming from CUN, do they have to go to the International Arrivals building, which isn't connected to the main terminal?
Stlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8994 posts, RR: 27 Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2472 times:
Quoting Mariner (Reply 18):
The implication being that NWA is "safer".
not at all. this has nothing to do with Frontier, but NWA itself.
the implication being despite all the bad press about cut wages, mechanics strikes, flat tires, etc., that NWA is still a safe way to travel.
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Mariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 22861 posts, RR: 87 Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2437 times:
Ah, the joy of selectivity: His point #1:
Quoting FlyGuyClt (Reply 14): -Remember NWA is still for formidable competitor.
His point #2:
Quoting FlyGuyClt (Reply 14): -When Frontier started MSP to LAX service NWA matched and even started DEN to LAX. The verdict. Frontier is out of the MSP to LAX nonstop market and so is NWA on the DEN to LAX market.
His point #3:
Quoting FlyGuyClt (Reply 14): -While the Frontier equipment is more customer friendly. The power of the FF programs play a huge role.
These are all comparatives. But - apparently - his point #4 is not a comparative.
Okay, I won't argue. Whatever you say. I guess they teach English differently in schools these days.
Kahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2427 times:
Quoting FlyGuyClt (Reply 14): The power of the FF programs play a huge role
Yes, on high yield markets like IND-CUN!
Quoting FlyGuyClt (Reply 14): NWA still is a safe reliable way to travel
Oh, so lets get this right, should all airlines outsource their "safety"?
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25 Stlgph: there's no selectively. Point 1 - states a point that NWA remains a competitor to any airline despite their current problem Point 2 - reminds us that
26 Mariner: If you don't understand comparatives - especially in a thread about competition - then we have a different understanding of English grammar. But - um
27 Indy: I'm going out on a limb here but I think perhaps you guys are reading far too much into this statement. When I look at that statment I think perhaps
28 Mariner: Absolutely. Which is why my original post on it was a question - "Are you...?" as opposed to "You are..." cheers mariner
29 Burnsie28: Do you not read, he said for NOVEMBER! That is like for August statistics. Wrong, Hawaiian Airlines had the best on-time performence according to the
30 Stlgph: the grammar is there. don't know why or how you are missing it but it seems you just keep going on and on here because you don't like to be proven in
31 N1120A: Frontier also has a FF program, and it is a mileage based one, with elite levels, like a legacy carrier, not a point based one like most US LCCs. The
32 USAFHummer: Starting with the new year, that will no longer be true...F9's only two previous mileage partners were YX and VS...YX was dropped about 3 months ago
33 Mariner: November is not over. November stats have not - to my knowledge - been published. I understand and accept that some who work for NWA may have access
34 N1120A: That is too bad. At least you still the 15K rewards.
35 Mariner: And, for elites, the More Store: http://www.frontiermorestore.com/default.cfm Someone got a brand new Merc for just over a million miles. cheers mari
36 Indy: Kind of off topic but I noticed a sign for Northwest Cargo at IND a few weeks back. Have they been there for ages or is that a recent addition since t
37 FlyGuyClt: Dude, I have been away for awhile. But where do you get off saying I said F9 is unsafe? I never ever said that anywhere NOR did I imply it. I was jus
38 Mariner: I did not say that, nor did I "attack" you. All I did was ask you a question which you have now answered. I accept that you did not mean to imply was
39 Bobnwa: The stat of 91% provided by Northwest was for one day , August 19 which was the day before the mechanics went on strike and they were messing thinks
40 FlyGuyClt: I don't mix words. If I have something to say. I say it. In print and generally use spell check. Ok, from your quote and mine. How on Earth do you get
41 Mariner: It is all spelled out in some detail in the posts above. I'm not going to get into this again. I have accepted that you did not intend it, which is a
42 FlyGuyClt: Good I am glad. When I mention something about F9 ever in a negative way. Take it that way. Until then. Don't put words in my mouth or on my posts th
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