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10 Abreast In Economy For Emirates' New 777s?  
User currently offlineBrightCedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1288 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 11260 times:

Emirates Airlines of Dubai (UAE) has announced a large order for Boeing 777s at the Dubai Air Show last weekend.

However, they are one of few airlines with Thai Airways to cramp people at the back of the tube in a 10-abreast economy seating layout.

Do you expect that to change with the extension of the Boeing 777-300ER fleet or not? I hopefully guess and assume the 777-200LRs may come to provide a more relaxing back-of-the-tube seating option than 10-abreast.

I guess passengers will hope more B777s will not mean more sardine cans!


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User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 11230 times:
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That is were I am definitely price insensitive. If 9-abreast on a B744 is uncomfortable, what the heck must 10-abreast feel like?


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User currently offlineEI747SYDNEY From Ireland, joined Oct 2005, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 11207 times:

According to people that have actually flown the 300ER with Emirates, they say that there is plenty of legroom and you would hardly notice any difference except for the seat width.

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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7122 posts, RR: 57
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 11189 times:

This topic has been done to death over the last few weeks and months and is becoming boring beyond belief. Why not perform a search.


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User currently offlineA360 From Portugal, joined Jun 2005, 434 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 11173 times:

If they use the 772LR's to ultra long haul, and they will, then I expect them to put 9 abreast in eco.

As fot the 77W's... I don't have too much hope... it'il probably be 10 abreast.

Regards:
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User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 11163 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 3):
s topic has been done to death over the last few weeks and months and is becoming boring beyond belief. Why not perform a search.

Are we feeling a little bit snappy today BWBig grin

Valid point though...

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User currently offlineBrightCedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1288 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 11138 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 3):
This topic has been done to death over the last few weeks and months and is becoming boring beyond belief. Why not perform a search.

Because this is an opportunity for EK to introduce either a sub fleet of 777-300ERs or make up the entire fleet to a new standard. A factor that was not really discussed before.



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User currently offlineEgghead From United States of America, joined May 2005, 48 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 10984 times:

I have flown both EK777s and UA777. I'll take EK777's 10 seats any day over UA's 9. I don't know what UA was thinking when they put 5 seats in the center isle.

User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7411 posts, RR: 57
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10851 times:

Nothing beats a good 2x4x2 in an A340 or 2x3x2 in a B767 !!!  Wink

User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10839 times:

Quoting EI747SYDNEY (Reply 2):
According to people that have actually flown the 300ER with Emirates, they say that there is plenty of legroom and you would hardly notice any difference except for the seat width.

It would depend on whether it's a high or low density configured aircraft as well. The HD configured ones pack them in like sardines and that does impact on overall comfort.


User currently offlinePavlin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 10587 times:

It actually isn't so tight 10 abreast. It is more than on regular buses. Why don't they have 1st class? It is because some people must have comfort and increase the CO2 emission sky high, only because their asses need more room to fart

User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5173 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 10437 times:

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 1):
If 9-abreast on a B744 is uncomfortable, what the heck must 10-abreast feel like?

Uh...what are you talking about? You must be living in the 70s--has anybody ever configured a 744 with 9 abreast in econ?



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21511 posts, RR: 60
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 10412 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 8):
Nothing beats a good 2x4x2 in an A340 or 2x3x2 in a B767 !!!  

Actually 1-2-2 in the 767 F cabin beats it.  Wink



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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 10325 times:

Quoting Egghead (Reply 7):
I have flown both EK777s and UA777. I'll take EK777's 10 seats any day over UA's 9. I don't know what UA was thinking when they put 5 seats in the center isle.

You have got to be kidding me!!.....10 abreast on a T7 is ridiculous. i am by no means big but having flown Thai DEL-BKK that was beyond a joke. UA chose that configeration as the considered thay on reflection more people travel in Two's or a family of four or maybe five.


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 10215 times:

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 1):
If 9-abreast on a B744 is uncomfortable, what the heck must 10-abreast feel like?

The last airline that had a 9 abreast (or a 3-4-2) configuration in a 747 was Swissair, who finally went for the traditional 3-4-3 configuration in 1980.

Incidentally, the 3-4-2 configuration on a 747 was never uncomfortable. The seats were wide, and back in the '70s seat pitch on even the lousiest of airlines was a comfortable 34 inches.


User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4511 posts, RR: 53
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 10187 times:

I think I made the calculation a while ago about this...it translates into a 1cm narrower seat, not THAT big a deal.


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User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3888 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8966 times:

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 14):
The last airline that had a 9 abreast (or a 3-4-2) configuration in a 747 was Swissair, who finally went for the traditional 3-4-3 configuration in 1980.

Any photos of a 747 in a 9-abreast layout??


User currently offlineCodeshare From Poland, joined Sep 2002, 1854 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8891 times:

I had an occasion to travel aboard a 772ER with 10 abreast layout:


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But for a 3-4-3 in the tube? Must feel like a can of sardines.



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User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8650 times:

Quoting Vasu (Reply 16):
Quoting Jaysit (Reply 14):
The last airline that had a 9 abreast (or a 3-4-2) configuration in a 747 was Swissair, who finally went for the traditional 3-4-3 configuration in 1980.


Any photos of a 747 in a 9-abreast layout??

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/139808/M/


User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 43
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8480 times:

Quoting BrightCedars (Thread starter):
However, they are one of few airlines with Thai Airways to cramp people at the back of the tube in a 10-abreast economy seating layout.

TG has 3-4-3 on REGIONAL B777-200, code 777. They are being refurbished to 3-3-3 with AVOD, code 772. Upcoming 777-200ER and current 777-3D7s have a spacious 3-3-3 layout.

TG 777 3-4-3 is really bad, much worse than EK.



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User currently offlineNcfc99 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 740 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8439 times:

I flew an EK T7 DXB-BNE and return in 10 abreast economy. I am over 6ft (180cm) tall and about 15st(210lb). It was not uncomfortable. I can accept the seat width, I would rather have more pitch.

User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2887 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8409 times:

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 13):
You have got to be kidding me!!.....10 abreast on a T7 is ridiculous. i am by no means big but having flown Thai DEL-BKK that was beyond a joke.

I have flown on their 773 As and 772ERs and they are pretty comfortable and comparable to the SQ and MH 773 and 772s i have been on respectively.
Infact the 773s of EK have a 34 inch pitch.


User currently offlineIL76 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2004, 2237 posts, RR: 48
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 8393 times:

The 747 has a 26cm wider cabin than a 777. With 10-abreast, that is one inch per seat wider.
As an example, one trip I flew AMS-SIN on a 777 and SIN-AMS on a 747 (both SQ). The 747's seats were way smaller and more uncomfortable than the 777's 3-3-3 seats. Also leg space in the 777 was more generous. Knowing an airline flies their 777's in a 10-abreast layout will make me buy a ticket on another airline. (similar like I would never fly Air Transat with 9 abreast Airbuses for example)

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User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 43
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 8366 times:

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 21):
they are pretty comfortable and comparable to the SQ

There is no comparison whatsoever between SQ and EK 777 seating for me.

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 21):
Infact the 773s of EK have a 34 inch pitch

Why does this come up every time here? Even EK.com says it's 33". It's ok but doesn't help much if the seat is too narrow.



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User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7389 times:
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Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 11):
Uh...what are you talking about? You must be living in the 70s--has anybody ever configured a 744 with 9 abreast in econ?



Quoting Jaysit (Reply 14):
The last airline that had a 9 abreast (or a 3-4-2) configuration in a 747 was Swissair, who finally went for the traditional 3-4-3 configuration in 1980.

My mistake, I am sorry! It must be the jetlag combined with space deprivation and complete stupidity that has kicked in.  embarrassed 


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25 Post contains images Drerx7 : HAhahahah---try 380 29" pitch and 10 abreast seats in a DC10. Sun Country flt 9 and 10 IAH-LAS-IAH 1996 for me
26 N1120A : They were thinking that the people on the sides would be more comfortable and that families would be more easily sat together in the center, and you
27 Drerx7 : Besides--their DC10 fleet was in a 2-5-2 config--why wouldn't they have gone that route--especially since they were the launch customer.
28 Post contains images A360 : Families of 5 people? I think you'il probably find more families of 3 people and much more families of 4 people. If almost all the others went for 3-
29 PanAm747LHR : What EK has done is quite reasonable. They have added a seat per row, slightly decreasing seat width, but allowing them to substantially increase pitc
30 Carpethead : Yes it is a big deal. Every millimeter and extra cubic millimeter counts in Y-class. This is coming from a rather skinny person. Have you ever tried
31 SA7700 : I totally agree with you. I flew JNB-SYD on a QF B744 on Sunday night. I got one of the dreaded middle seats on the left side, seated between 2 other
32 777ER : For me that is so true.
33 Post contains images Lazybones : Try 3 x 8 hours flights back to back on an Emirates 777 with a 2 year old flying MEL-> DBX -> LHR. Its not the width of the seat its that 3-4-3 crap
34 Rdwelch : My take is that people are getting bigger (I'm 6'2" 250 -beefy) and even with the focus for CASM, it seems prudent to keep your PAX comfy on the Intl
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