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US Airways Emergency Landing At Amsterdam Schiphol  
User currently offlineSingel09 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 151 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 32730 times:
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US43 to PHL returned immediately to AMS after big problems with engine #1 during the rwy 24 departure today.

Shortly after retracting the landing gear, explosions were heard and several times big flames out of engine #1. The 767-200, ship N656US, in the new colourscheme , lost altitude straight away but managed to recover, only to return directly to AMS towards Schiphol-Rijk , Amstelveen to land approximately 10 minutes later on rwy 27. Seems that no fuel was dumped, but no info on this. Aircraft is now parked at gate G07.

It was the first time I witnessed something like this ... scarey sight ...

Mause

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User currently offlineMD80fanatic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2661 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 32693 times:

Sounds like bird ingestion leading to flame out, considering the huge flocks that have appeared in recent photos of AMS.

User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 32663 times:

From usairways.com........

US Airways Flight 43

Status: Cancelled

Comments: The flight is cancelled due to aircraft maintenance. Customers will be re-accommodated. For information about your party please contact US Airways Reservations at (800) 428-4322.


Im glad everything turned out ok  Smile



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11573 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 32599 times:

Wow.

Once again, this shows that pilots are worth every penny they're paid, and the "glorified bus driver" title is misplaced.

Can a bird strike really explode an engine like this? I worry that this is something more similar to the incident in a PHL hangar where an engine test on a 767 led to an explosion that damaged the wing and led to its write off.



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11573 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 32532 times:

BTW, since you were there, did you happen to snag any pictures?


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User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 32476 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 3):
Can a bird strike really explode an engine like this?

Yes it can.

Actually, a bird strike caused this  Sad


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Photo © Michel Debury




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User currently offlineSingel09 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 151 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 32475 times:
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Nope did not snag any picutres, I was eating ... but multiple did, I checked and they assured me an upload on a.net

Mause


User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4277 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 32463 times:

I think pictures may come online somewhere soon, as it took of in front of the famous spotting place at runway 24 (from where it took off).

Something similar happened a few years ago also with a Air Anatolia B757-200 during takeoff.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 32371 times:

Any Official Statement yet.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineDeltaGuy767 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 667 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 31963 times:

Wow another one. I live near BDL and a DL jet ingested a few birds last week and had to return back to BDL. That must have been scary for the passengers near the engine.

From BDL,  wave 
DeltaGuy767



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User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4277 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 31819 times:

109 pax on board
9 crew
takeoff rwy 24 at 1245L, arrived back at AMS rwy 27 at 1312L

Rgds
Eric



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User currently offlinePUnmuth@VIE From Austria, joined Aug 2000, 4163 posts, RR: 54
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 31601 times:

here we go:

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User currently offlineStuckinMAF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 31474 times:

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 7):
Something similar happened a few years ago also with a Air Anatolia B757-200 during takeoff.

I'd sure rather be on a 757 than a 767 with an engine-out situation shortly after takeoff!


User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 31301 times:

Damn, it's one of the birds with the new colors.

Harry



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User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4277 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 31219 times:

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 13):
Damn, it's one of the birds with the new colors.

That's the only 762 in new colours flying at this time (or not anymore now...)
It was at AMS now for the second time.

Eric



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User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5300 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 31181 times:

WOW, That's an absolute great picture. I can't believe a camera was there at that exact moment taking a high quality shot like this one..

KL911


User currently offlineSfilipowicz From Netherlands, joined Jul 2002, 327 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 31144 times:

While working in the office, I also heard the BIG bangs, I had no idea it was an aircraft. I did take a short look outside but didn't see anything so I continued working. Must have been very shocking to see this! Especially for the passengers.

User currently offlineStuckinMAF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 30847 times:

Outstanding picture, great job! Note the position of the ailerons!

Time for the pilot to put out the Benson & Hedges, throw back the silk scarf and do some of that pilot @#$%!!!


User currently offlineUS AIRWAYS From United States of America, joined May 1999, 432 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 30829 times:

I had to run some bags to this plane last night in Philly and was standing right next to that engine for about 20 minutes talking to some friends who were about to load the flight. Definitely glad to hear they were able to get it back on the ground safely.


Go Eagles!
User currently offlineAeroPeru From United States of America, joined May 2005, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 30814 times:

I'd like to second KL911. Beautiful shot!!  bigthumbsup 
And thankfully all came out OK.



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User currently offlineSuseJ772 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 826 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 30463 times:

Quoting StuckinMAF (Reply 17):
Outstanding picture, great job! Note the position of the ailerons!

I was just about to say that. Other than the ailerons, it looks like just a normal take off (except the fire of course). Pilots really worth every penny!



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User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 30397 times:

Damn thats one hell of a pic, im guessing it will soon be pic of the day  Smile


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User currently offlineA340600 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 4106 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 30211 times:

Wow, what a pic, glad everything turned out okay!

Sam Smile



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User currently offlineN612ua From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 29913 times:

I also wanted to say that is one hell of a photo. I work in CLT and saw that A/C right after the new paintjob. I am happy to hear everyone is alright. Again I will add this pilots are worth every damn penny.

User currently offlineBrokenrecord From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 772 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 29879 times:

Sorry to see my new favorite bird go down like that...

25 Post contains images Uadc8contrail : notice how the flame looks like a smiling right hand waving happy flame
26 Post contains images Boeing4ever : Looks like AMS needs to invest in an army of hungry bird-eating cats... Sheesh...nice picture though. B4e-Forever New Frontiers
27 StuckinMAF : The pic just made the top of the last 24 hrs. (as it deserves, IMHO!)
28 Post contains images Indio66 : Or that guy with the pellet gun who took out the domino toppling sparrow
29 Drerx7 : Some airports use hawks.
30 PHLBOS : That bird was making regular appearances at PHL for nearly a week-and-a-half now. I was fortunate enough to see it make what is believed to be its fi
31 VS747SPUR : I am glad everything turned out OK, would of This seems very low, is the route underperforming, or is this just the time of year orjust a freak occura
32 Greggerm : In addition to the alierons, note the nose wheel-well - the doors are either still closing from it's takeoff, or just starting to open up! GREAT photo
33 D L X : So, what now? Is this an engine write-off? If so, where do they get a replacement engine to bring the plane back to the US? What will be the near-term
34 Warszawa : The ailerons or the flaperons? The flaperons are near the engine (one on each side), the ailerons are near the tip of the wings. I dont think it neces
35 G-CIVP : It's more a compressor stall than a bird strike but I could be wrong! Watch this space for the debate!
36 Singel09 : This news about the US Air Boeing 767-200 N656US from the airport. The US42 reported shut-down of engine #1 right after take-off due to its faillure.
37 PHLBOS : Unsure of the exact logistics, but my guess would be that a replacement engine could be delivered to AMS and installed on the plane so it at least ca
38 Spacecadet : They replace the engine and fly on. I don't know where they'll get it; maybe they need to ferry one in. As far as it being a writeoff, depends on wha
39 SK601 : Thanks for the clear explanation. I saw it happen this afternoon around 12.50pm as I disembarked the employee shuttle bus at the P30 parking lot. Qui
40 JZ : Good job for the crew to safely handle the situation. Lucky for the photographer to be at the right place at the right time. Job well done for both!
41 JBirdAV8r : Depends if it really was a bird strike with resulting engine damage or a relatively benign series of compressor stalls, really. MX at AMS is perfectl
42 Tu154m : Actually, most large commercial aircraft, including the 767 series, have both outboard and inboard ailerons. The outboard ailerons are closer to the
43 Speedracer1407 : And those "inboard ailerons" are called flaperons.
44 US AIRWAYS : Just heard from some people at work that maintenance personnel from PHL will be heading out to AMS tonight to replace the engine. I'm guessing the eng
45 IL96M : No, they're not. They are indeed properly called "inboard ailerons". The term "flaperon" is jargon slang since they are located between the main flap
46 OPNLguy : Within the biz, an aircraft "going down" has an entirely different meaning, and is not what happened here.
47 IL96M : No, they're not. They are indeed properly called "inboard ailerons". The term "flaperon" is jargon slang since they are located between the main flap
48 Post contains images Qantas744ER : Well im not an expert in engine changes, but can US just get a engine from KLM? i mean they use the GE CF6 aswell right? I kno that airlines in the s
49 TristarSteve : I have only met flaperons on the B777. On the B777 they do droop with the flaps. But on the B767 they are just ailerons. Also on the B767 ( and the Tr
50 Richard28 : As the plane did not dump fuel, does this mean that the plane was over weight for landing? If so, I guess some structural checks will be needed in add
51 UPSMD11 : UPS has a large operation in PHL with 747 service to Europe so this may be a way to get the 767 engine over to AMS. Cheers, John
52 Vega : Normal lower Winter Load. CO drops a flight for winter (EWR-AMS) and I think US used to only fly this route in Summer.
53 AirPacific747 : A couple of years ago when I was flying from Port Vila to Noumea, I had to fly with a small airline with only two planes in its fleet. 25 minutes befo
54 Positiverate : I agree, sounds (and looks) like a compressor stall.
55 Post contains images Gigneil : Not very conclusive, as 99% of 767s don't have a fuel dump subsystem. N
56 Positiverate : I'm pretty sure all of Delta's 767 ER's have a fuel dump system...
57 Xiphias : To bad telegraaf.nl used Rubens picture (ripped from here) on their website without permission. At least nu.nl and AT5 emailed for permission. They st
58 CALMSP : do pics from someone ever be shipped to the carrier for examination?? such as this photo and others being shipped to US headquarters for them to look
59 Sultan : Could this have been a maintenance issue wt the airline?
60 TrnsWrld : Superb shot!!! Congrats to the crew for bringing her back safely. I could have sworn before I clicked that thumbnail pic that it was a 777. I am very
61 Post contains images Tornado82 : Well, we made it to reply 60 before someone made a comment like that. If you want to know the truth, US had the NW scab mechanics work on this plane
62 D5DBY : i dont know....but i would guess that the engine ingested a bird and the fan was damaged. therefore the fan couldn't supply the compressor with enoug
63 Post contains images Electech6299 : One explanation for this "sensationalized" account is likely the passenger's experience. When the rate of climb (i.e. acceleration opposite gravity)
64 Riddlepilot215 : Depends on the size of the bird....... With something like that US 767.... It could be one of two things.. A) The mix on that engine was out of whack
65 Wjcandee : How does an incident like this affect US's ETOPS authority? One incident presumably does not generate a revocation, but I'm curious what the procedure
66 Tu154m : Non ER 767 models do not have fuel jettison capabilities. One of the main differences in ER designation apart from the satndard 767 models(-200 or -3
67 BeechNut : The position of the inboard ailerons suggest that he was banking into the good engine. As the aircraft would be tending to yaw into the bad engine, t
68 Post contains images A388 : Wow, that photo is indeed a very clear picture. Glad to see all went well. Kudos to the pilots! A388
69 AvFan4ever : Are you sure? Do you even know what you are talking about? Let's say there is a problem with the "fuel dist./controller" (assuming you understand the
70 Post contains images RiddlePilot215 : "Let's say there is a problem with the "fuel dist./controller" (assuming you understand the CF6 fuel control and distribution system). What do you th
71 Capt.fantastic : I can remember flying on a NW 727 and hearing compressor stalls during roll-out while the engines were in reverse ... the pilots told me this was norm
72 Molykote : I have no experience with the JT8 but underpowerback conditions it might have been a "not uncommon" condition depending on prevailing winds and power
73 Malaysia : I just like calling the inboard ones, "Highspeed Ailerons"
74 Mr.BA : Just to clarify on this, the ailerons here concerned are indeed called the inboard ailerons. "Flaperon" is not a jargon slang - Like mentioned in rep
75 Speedracer1407 : Cool, then I stand corrected.
76 Scotron11 : Kudos not just to the pilots, but to the engine manufacturer as well!
77 Molykote : Kudos to the engine manufacturer? The engine was the culprit in this case.
78 Scotron11 : Kudos to the engine manufacturer? The engine was the culprit in this case. Maybe so, but it didn't explode and take the wing off!
79 Drinkstrolley : Everytime there is any sort of incident where nobody dies we always get this "Kudos" rubbish (the dodgy front wheel on the Airbus at LAX springs to m
80 AJ : This aircraft is not fitted with Fuel Jettison as there are no dump nozzles between the outboard flap segments and the outboard ailerons. The inboard
81 Post contains links PW100 : Photo has now appeared in Dutch newspaper: http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/2...tuig_keert_terug_na_steekvlam.html
82 AirxLiban : Avec sauce d'essence?
83 AvFan4ever : Please explain why you take the position that the engine was the culprit. Are you sure the cause of the stall was not related to FOD or maintenance?
84 TristarSteve : If US borrowed an engine, they would have to remove it on return to the states, then ship it back to AMS, and pay loan charges for every day it is no
85 Jascmil : I don't think it's inappropriate to show appreciation for a flight crew that performed as intended during an emergency situation. Remember, unlike mo
86 AvFan4ever : Common, but maybe not "normal". Generally speaking, the aerodynamic efficiency of the JT8D compressor is somewhat less than current technology design
87 AvFan4ever : True. Keep in mind that for the CF6-80C2 is that when more fuel is added (more energy added to the engine), the engine reacts by increasing core spee
88 Drinkstrolley : And you think they wouldn't have known that when they took the job? It's their choice, like it is yours to be a Political Consultant, whatever the he
89 Jascmil : Whoa there, buddy. First, there's absolutely no reason to get personal. Remember...this is an aviation bulletin board. If you'd like to learn more ab
90 Positiverate : Another compressor stall culprit in the 727 was a crosswind takeoff. The #2 engine was especially prone to this. In fact, I recall being on a number
91 Airbuseric : For your info everybody; N656US left AMS tonight heading for MAN as flight US9197 Probably repair will be done in the UK? Rgds Eric
92 David_itl : MAN has seen US9197 from AMS land at 2020 tonight - perhaps it's being looked at here?
93 MGB80 : verification flight to MAN after engine change. Required per ETOPS policy before ETOPS flight is conducted.
94 US AIRWAYS : Just a little update. Aircraft 656 is fully back in service. There is also another 762 in the new colors, N650US. A 757 should be rolling out with the
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