Kaneporta1 From Greece, joined May 2005, 719 posts, RR: 12 Posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2476 times:
By this title I don't mean that the 777 and 787 are in the same category but, since the C-market 777s are arguably better than the 345/6s, they get most of the orders, airlines might try balancing the orders between A and B by ordering mixed fleets of 777s and A350s, instead of 777s/787s like AC. In my opinion the 350 will be as good (maybe better) as the 787 so it will be an attractive option for airlines that want to keep both manufacturers happy.
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DesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7673 posts, RR: 18 Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2424 times:
I think the logic train derailed somewhere along the line.
What you are arguing is that the A350 will steal 787 sales, not the 777. Simply based upon the marketing that Airbus does, an airline would not realize any cost savings by operating a mixed fleet of A350s and 777s (or 787s and A340s). Nothing is gained by balancing the orders for the airlines.
Now some will argue that the higher capacity, longer range versions of the 787 may cannibalize future sales of 777-200ERs.
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AirFrnt From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2775 posts, RR: 43 Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2310 times:
Quoting Kaneporta1 (Thread starter): By this title I don't mean that the 777 and 787 are in the same category but, since the C-market 777s are arguably better than the 345/6s, they get most of the orders, airlines might try balancing the orders between A and B by ordering mixed fleets of 777s and A350s, instead of 777s/787s like AC. In my opinion the 350 will be as good (maybe better) as the 787 so it will be an attractive option for airlines that want to keep both manufacturers happy.
Strange premise. Will the 777 "steal orders" from the 787, then you mix in completly political premises for getting the A350 combined with some beleif that magically the A350 is going to be "better" then the 787 when the A350 is really aimed at the 777 in the first place more then the 787 certainly.
Given the success of the 777 at Dubai so far, I think the safe answer to your questions is no. Aircraft carriers exist to make money, not to keep the governments of Europe happy.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26700 posts, RR: 83 Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2225 times:
Airlines choose what is the best option for them, based on a wide variety of factors. If they need to carry 300+ people, then yes, they may order the 772ER over the 787-8, but only if they have no intention of buying the A359.
With Boeing likely to launch the 787-9 in an HGW version, and an even larger 787-10 stretch proposed, the 772ER is the plane that is "in trouble" from the 787 and the A350.
Bomber996 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 361 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2202 times:
Quoting Stitch (Reply 3): With Boeing likely to launch the 787-9 in an HGW version, and an even larger 787-10 stretch proposed, the 772ER is the plane that is "in trouble" from the 787 and the A350.
But, Boeing has not racked up many orders for the 772ER lately. Many of the orders are for the 777NG (772LR & 773ER). I'd think many airlines, unless they absolutely need the aircraft right away, would wait and see weather or not Boeing will launch the 787-10. In my opinion, I don't see why Boeing doesn't launch the 787-10. This might lead to a significant order from many airlines that might want to replace both their older 777, 767, and 757. Think about it. The cost savings could be potentially enormous. Replacing 3 families of aircraft (even though the 767 and 757 can share pilots) with one family of aircraft, that are 20% more efficient. If Boeing launches the 787-10 I would assume that the A350 would loose its niche replacing the 777.
N328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6222 posts, RR: 3 Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2167 times:
Quoting Bomber996 (Reply 4): But, Boeing has not racked up many orders for the 772ER lately. Many of the orders are for the 777NG (772LR & 773ER). I'd think many airlines, unless they absolutely need the aircraft right away, would wait and see weather or not Boeing will launch the 787-10. In my opinion, I don't see why Boeing doesn't launch the 787-10. This might lead to a significant order from many airlines that might want to replace both their older 777, 767, and 757. Think about it. The cost savings could be potentially enormous. Replacing 3 families of aircraft (even though the 767 and 757 can share pilots) with one family of aircraft, that are 20% more efficient. If Boeing launches the 787-10 I would assume that the A350 would loose its niche replacing the 777.
I dunno. I am convinced that many of the 777-200LR orders are at the expense of the 777-200ER. Not that Boeing minds it, but given what Widebodyphotog has said, beyond a certain distance you're better off with the LR anyhow. If the airlines see it this way, too, then they may pay the better capital expense to obtain commonality and lower fuel costs.
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