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Virgin Atlantic Charter At GIG: A Test?  
User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3996 times:
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Rio de Janeiro is one of the "wish" destinations included on Virgin Atlantic plans. Also, there are rumors that Virgin is behind the request for a review on the bilateral UK-Brazil.
Virgin will run 2 or 3 charter flights to Rio de Janeiro/GIG during the high season:

The flights will be operated by A340-600.

VS9941 - LHR-GIG - 26JAN06 - ETA 07h42 (+1)
VS9942 - GIG-LHR - 27JAN06 - ETD 17h45

Possible flight on 23FEB06

VS9941 - LHR-GIG - 02APR06 - ETA 05h40 (+1)
VS9942 - GIG-LHR - 03APR06 - ETD 15h45

Does anyone with info on these flights ? Really just a charter ?

Regards,
Felipe


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User currently offlineEMB195ER From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 254 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3905 times:

Hello Felipe!

Coincidently I was talking to someone from Virgin today during dinner and just asked him this quention, that is, if it is true that Virgin is planning to fly to GIG soon.

He answered me that not by now. GIG is not in the priority list. Sad

Hugs,
Claudio


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3774 times:
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Quoting EMB195ER (Reply 1):
He answered me that not by now. GIG is not in the priority list.

Claudio, thanks for your info.
So probably not in 2006 and may be not in 2007. At least we can take some pics of the A346 on GIG next year. London-Rio keeps underserved and i wish to see VS flying to Rio on a regular basis one day!

Regards
Felipe



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User currently offlineSteady Eddie From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3738 times:

these are charters for a cruise ship company, and not associated with any plans for scheduled services

User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4042 posts, RR: 53
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3548 times:

VS tend to do a few charters for one of the cruise ship companies during the winter season when the fleet is not pushed so hard as in the summer. There is a little more flexibility in the schedule to allow these flights to be operated.

 Smile



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3471 times:
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Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 4):
VS tend to do a few charters for one of the cruise ship companies during the winter season when the fleet is not pushed so hard as in the summer. There is a little more flexibility in the schedule to allow these flights to be operated.



Quoting Steady Eddie (Reply 3):
these are charters for a cruise ship company, and not associated with any plans for scheduled services

Thanks Guys. Now is clear to me the reason of the flights. Hope to see regular VS flights to Brazil in the future.

Regards
Felipe



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User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3359 times:

I would love to see VS in GIGBig grin

I hope they can codeshare with TAM, last I heard TAM were planning to start GRU-LON flights!

Rob!  wave 


User currently offlineBrasuca From Brazil, joined Mar 2004, 717 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3296 times:

I believe it's more than simply coincidence, as Virgin added Rio de Janeiro to their wish-list and last month they requested revision to Brazil-UK bilateral.

It does really look like a "test" of performance from GIG to the UK.

But TAM to LHR?
Wow! It would be a sight to see. I really hope they could succeed in LHR as well, but they wouldn't fly to LGW and it's nearly IMPOSSIBLE for TAM to get a slot at Heathrow. No way really!

BA don't want a fourth competitor in this route, as Virgin is already interested - it'd be a sudden destructive increase. Losses should then intially be expected for all them: RG, BA, VS and JJ.
Moreover, VARIG can respond with fiercer competition. It's easy for VS, but extremely difficult for TAM in all aspects.



Varig, Varig, Varig
User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3762 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3286 times:

We need some healthy competition on UK-Brazil flights, VS or TAM, it doesn't matter just something to keep BA/Varig on thir toes.

User currently offlineBrasuca From Brazil, joined Mar 2004, 717 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3187 times:

Quoting Richardw (Reply 8):

Three airlines it's ok, but 4 will hence be non-lucrative for all of them and GRU is already very well served by two dailies from both RG and BA. I suppose that within three years there will be enough demand to 4 airlines in this route.

I prefer Virgin, as they would fly to/from GIG (currently not served from London) and TAM would only add competition in the ugly GRU airport.



Varig, Varig, Varig
User currently offlineStarGoldLHR From Heard and McDonald Islands, joined Feb 2004, 1529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3055 times:

The airfares for Brasil are so high... what do you mean there's not enough demand.

£600-£1000 a ticket for a 5000 mile flight...

by comparison £600-1000 will get you from london to Australia, 10000 miles...

and £400-600 will get you 5000 miles to san francisco.


its protectionism and profiteering more than demand.



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User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3762 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3032 times:

Interestingly if you pick a BA flight starting in BRU via LHR, compared to the flight starting at LHR, the price is different.

User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2991 times:

Quoting Brasuca (Reply 7):
BA don't want a fourth competitor in this route

As history has shown, BA don't like/want competition in any shape or form, much less on ANY route, and never have!


User currently offlineJJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2953 times:

I have some friends in VS but not specific on Cargo Department. Do any one have contact of VS Cargo Management as I would like to propose an agreement for these flights?

Tks


User currently offlineBrasuca From Brazil, joined Mar 2004, 717 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2850 times:

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 10):
The airfares for Brasil are so high... what do you mean there's not enough demand.

£600-£1000 a ticket for a 5000 mile flight...

by comparison £600-1000 will get you from london to Australia, 10000 miles...

and £400-600 will get you 5000 miles to san francisco.

Those are overall fares between Europe and Brazil, not only Brazil and the UK.

Quoting Richardw (Reply 11):
Interestingly if you pick a BA flight starting in BRU via LHR, compared to the flight starting at LHR, the price is different.

Not only BRU, but other European destinations as well. Direct flights are always more expensive. GRU-FRA-LHR, for example, with LH is cheaper than GRU-FRA.

Quoting AirNZ (Reply 12):
As history has shown, BA don't like/want competition in any shape or form, much less on ANY route, and never have!

That's why I think TAM won't be able to count on anyone's help. BA won't ever help TAM, nor will VS. So, how would TAM get Slots at Heathrow? They don't look like being about to pay millions for slots.



Varig, Varig, Varig
User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2790 times:
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Quoting Brasuca (Reply 14):
Those are overall fares between Europe and Brazil, not only Brazil and the UK.

And even with high fares, loads on Europe-Brazil flights remain very high. Star Airlines has announced yesterday a new weekly service Paris-Marrkech-Recife-Rio de Janeiro.

How about the request for a revision on UK-Brazil bilateral. Does any one has the info who requested such procedure ? (i imagine was Virgin just because for BA the situation nowadays is perfect) I expect to see next year each country flying 10 times per week (3 more than in 2005).

Rgds,
Felipe



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