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User currently offlinePomnath From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2548 times:

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1549565,0008.htm

There are a few points here:-

a) He wants things to be easier . . . " more deregulation is needed to lure foreign investors in various sectors " . . . fact remains that India has no need to lure foreign investors. Want to come and do business in India, do it on Indian terms. India has paid off all grants and aid and is pre-paying loans as well as other fiscals.

b) Then he says . . . "Though I am not too impressed with the public airlines in India, some of the private players are doing a great job." . . . nobody asked him, but the removal of old Nigerian aircraft on the routes to India speaks for itself.

c) After that he is quoted . . . "the employees should come first, the customer second and your shareholders third" . . . that's where the big difference is. In most of Asia, the employees are there to serve the customers, it is part of their duty. The alignment of employee first customer second is what I have noticed on VS, and now that the Chairman states it, so be it, at least we know. Would be fun to see how an airline with happy employees but no customers functions.

The best quote has him telling the media that on the way in a cabin crew gave him the name of a city to fly to, and he would do so, or something like that. Route selection?

Mr. Branson wore "native" clothes on his trip to India, incidentally.

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User currently offlineSchipholjfk From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2543 times:

SRB is great.. no doubt. But frankly, just like Donald Trump in the U.S.... these guys are getting to be a just a bit too much. Too much time in the media limelight and less innovation. Let's be honest.... from what I understand basically I see no innovation from Virgin Group... all I see is stamping Virgin logo on tired old products like Virgin Cola, mobile services, etc. SRB was courageous enough to take on BA... but now it seems VS is a boring company. Where is the excitement... it only comes from innovation! So it is more blah blah blah from SRB. Makes for good humor.

Just my two cents!



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User currently offlinePomnath From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2540 times:

There is a particular "woo the natives by talking down to them" kind of attitude which is beginning to grate. Being patronising about Air India while running a shabby service into Delhi on old Nigerian planes is hardly the thing sustainability is built out of.

I think Sir Branson is in for a few surprises in India.

And one of them is that he shall have to keep the customer first, at all costs.


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2510 times:

SRB sure made a lot of noise regarding not getting enough LHR-India routes when they were allocated a year back. Since then more routes have opened up, but have not heard any concrete plans from VS on increasing frequency to India. They must be both Aircraft and LHR slot constrained. Can any one shed light on it.
In another thread the possibility of BMI and VS merger was discussed-apparently BMI has about 13% of LHR slots.


User currently offlinePOmnath From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2503 times:

Personally, I think Virgin Atlantic had their chance in India, and blew it. They placed their older aircraft on the India routes, to start with, including the really old B-747s from Air Atlanta. Next, their ad campaigns never really went well.

And now, SRB has gone and blown it totally by stating that their employees come before their customers. Which is amazing, because most of the VS staff in India are really not VS employees but hired on contract through other companies in India.

Fancy talk can only get you so far, but if SRB thinks that his companies have to be "lured" to do business in India then he needs a new set of advisors. (That includes proxy websites run by alleged flyers . . . ) Entities enter countries to do business and make profits, and that's that.

A BMI & VS merger would not impact India much because BMI does no great shakes out of or into India either.


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2491 times:

Quoting POmnath (Reply 4):
A BMI & VS merger would not impact India much because BMI does no great shakes out of or into India either.

The BMI slots could be reallocated from short haul European destinations to long haul US, India, Australia etc. A merged VS/BMI using LHR as a scissor hub can do really well with the India/USA market. Just look at LH-older equipment, and average service but has the best connectivity for India/USA market.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31568 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2410 times:

Quoting POmnath (Reply 4):
SRB has gone and blown it totally by stating that their employees come before their customers

Surprising.I always thought it was Customer First.
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlinePomnath From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2404 times:

It just struck me. What he probably meant is that as far as India routes were concerned, it was employees first. And that is at the root of the attitude issues that cabin crew have vis-a-vis passengers from India.

Of course placing those ancient Air Atlanta and Virgin Nigeria aircraft probably made things worse.

The other thing is this "lure foreign investment" business. When will they understand that we don't have to "lure foreign investment" anymore?

SRB came to give a speech, that's all.


User currently offlineSailor99 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 8 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2363 times:

Quoting Pomnath (Reply 8):
It just struck me. What he probably meant is that as far as India routes were concerned, it was employees first. And that is at the root of the attitude issues that cabin crew have vis-a-vis passengers from India.

Just Pomnath whinging on about how VS treats Indian passengers again, only this time he's aiming at SRB. Heard it before...Boring....Unsubstantiated bull...get a life mate


User currently offlineTheBigOne From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2355 times:

Quoting Pomnath (Reply 8):
Of course placing those ancient Air Atlanta and Virgin Nigeria aircraft probably made things worse.

I have to agree with Sailor99. Pomnath has been going on about these old 'Nigerian' aircraft for a while and in general running a one man crusade against VS operations to India under various thread titles. While I am no fan of VS, I'd like to point out that their 'old' A340 is newer than almost every aircraft in the AI and IC fleets. Lets leave it to load factors to indicate how successful VS is to India?



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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 6953 posts, RR: 57
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2349 times:

It is notable the VS's two most delayed routes in 2005 are to India.

http://www.flightontime.info/scheduled/airlines/vir.html

Virign is just a brand . Branson makes his money from wooing governments into allowing him to enter markets. I have a funny feeling that India won't fall for this.

Quoting Pomnath (Thread starter):
but the removal of old Nigerian aircraft on the routes to India speaks for itself.



Quoting Pomnath (Reply 2):
while running a shabby service into Delhi on old Nigerian planes



Quoting POmnath (Reply 4):
They placed their older aircraft on the India routes, to start with, including the really old B-747s from Air Atlanta



Quoting Pomnath (Reply 8):
Of course placing those ancient Air Atlanta and Virgin Nigeria aircraft probably made things worse

Ponmath - you have a habit of repeating yourself. Your arguement is strong, but over repitition is becoming tedious.

[Edited 2005-11-23 12:44:30]


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User currently offlinePomnath From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2297 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 11):
Ponmath - you have a habit of repeating yourself. Your arguement is strong, but over repitition is becoming tedious.

It is a lonely battle out here, and there are many foes including some who have joined a.net just to argue with me. So I need to answer them all, that their God also has feet of clay.


User currently offlineAirchabum From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 769 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2273 times:

Quoting Pomnath (Reply 12):
It is a lonely battle out here

Have you stopped to consider why that might be the case? If NO ONE agrees with you then there is the outside possibility that you may in fact be wrong!!  idea 



Biggidy biggidy bong
User currently offlineVeereshmalik From India, joined Nov 2005, 2 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2263 times:

Quoting Pomnath (Reply 12):
It is a lonely battle out here, and there are many foes including some who have joined a.net just to argue with me. So I need to answer them all, that their God also has feet of clay.

Here we go again. Joy...

Congratulations, Pomnath/Veeresh. You're fighting a grand battle on behalf of all the factually incorrect, ignorant, trolls that exist on this forum. (Sadly, you're likely to remain in a minority of 1)


User currently offlineSailor99 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 8 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2238 times:

Quoting Pomnath (Reply 12):
It is a lonely battle out here

Its a lonely battle because your the only bigotted idiot on the block.

Quoting Pomnath (Reply 12):
some who have joined a.net just to argue with me

Not quite correct. In fact there are several people who you attacked and accused of racism. You then more recently accused them of taking bribes. This resulted in them joining a.net to expose you for what you are. We are clearing the forum of vermin.


User currently offlinePomnath From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2234 times:

Well, there are about half-a-dozen of you who jump up and down every time I post anything about VS.

So, OK, here goes.

Virgin Atlantic is a lovely excellent bestest pretty airline?


User currently offlineSailor99 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 8 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2209 times:

Quoting Pomnath (Reply 16):
Virgin Atlantic is a lovely excellent bestest pretty airline?

Sorry, still does not cut the mustard. You made a promise to VeereshMalik to stop trolling and accusing people of things they did not do. But you have failed to keep your promise. Until you get back in your box, people will be here to cut you down to size.


User currently offlineAirchabum From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 769 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2151 times:

Quoting Pomnath (Reply 16):
Well, there are about half-a-dozen of you who jump up and down every time I post anything about VS

No. People don't have a problem with you or anyone else posting opinions or points of view about VS/SRB/etc. We didn't 'jump up and down' regarding your first post in this thread...everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But then you go off like a stuck record talking about 'old Nigerian planes' (reply 2).
'Old' - There are far older aeroplanes than A340-300s.
'Nigerian' - It is a VS aircraft in Virgin Nigeria colours, as has been stated ad nauseum.
'Planes' - There is only one plane in VK colours.

The beauty of forums is that people share info with others and learn from it, but you don't appear to be able to grasp that.



Biggidy biggidy bong
User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 6953 posts, RR: 57
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2143 times:

Quoting Sailor99 (Reply 15):
Its a lonely battle because your the only bigotted idiot on the block.

And you really add to the strength of your arguement by name calling. How mature.

Quoting Pomnath (Reply 16):
Well, there are about half-a-dozen of you who jump up and down every time I post anything about VS.

Ponmath - dont rise to their bait.. language like i have quoted above deserves a banning.



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User currently offlineStealthpilot From India, joined May 2004, 510 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2101 times:

Quoting Pomnath (Thread starter):

a) He wants things to be easier . . . " more deregulation is needed to lure foreign investors in various sectors " . . . fact remains that India has no need to lure foreign investors. Want to come and do business in India, do it on Indian terms. India has paid off all grants and aid and is pre-paying loans as well as other fiscals.

The fact remains that India DOES need to lure foreign investors. India received plenty of FII, but hardly any FDI.

Quoting Pomnath (Thread starter):

b) Then he says . . . "Though I am not too impressed with the public airlines in India, some of the private players are doing a great job." . . . nobody asked him, but the removal of old Nigerian aircraft on the routes to India speaks for itself.

A bit too angry don't you think? Frankly he's right, even tho you mentioned 10 times that they use old a/c on their indian routes.



eP007
User currently offlinePixuk From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 322 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2091 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 19):
Ponmath - dont rise to their bait.. language like i have quoted above deserves a banning.

BestWestern; given Ponmath is happy to call others worse (including one other poster a "Nazi", just because he was German), I wouldn't have too much sympathy for him.


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 6953 posts, RR: 57
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2023 times:

Quoting Pixuk (Reply 21):
BestWestern; given Ponmath is happy to call others worse (including one other poster a "Nazi", just because he was German), I wouldn't have too much sympathy for him.

Two wrongs don't make a right... I presume that post was chopped.



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User currently onlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8490 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2018 times:
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Quoting BestWestern (Reply 22):
Two wrongs don't make a right...

no , but two Wrights made an aeroplane

( thought I would try and breath some life into a very very old joke - and this is an aviation forum )



Moderation in all things ... including moderation ;-)
User currently offlineRichard28 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 1595 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1993 times:

According to Pomnath in the other thread : all British hanker for colonialism. He is a racist troll, and best ignored.

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 11):
Virign is just a brand . Branson makes his money from wooing governments into allowing him to enter markets. I have a funny feeling that India won't fall for this.

Quoting Pomnath (Thread starter):
but the removal of old Nigerian aircraft on the routes to India speaks for itself.

Quoting Pomnath (Reply 2):
while running a shabby service into Delhi on old Nigerian planes


Ponmath - you have a habit of repeating yourself. Your arguement is strong, but over repitition is becoming tedious.

He still repeats this after being PROVED he is wrong (Hint Pomnath - left click on the word PROVED)

It's not the repitition that is annoying, it is his blatant disregard for proven facts.


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 6953 posts, RR: 57
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1968 times:

Problem is, Ponmath has a point. Many years ago TAP substituted a DUB FAO charter for an Lineas Areas Mocambique L10-11. The airport ended up in a riot, and the police were called. It didnt matter that the aircraft was owned and operated by TAP. it said Mocambique on the side, and the holiday makers werent getting onboard.

Whilst we may see the logic, the 'normal' passenger didnt see the connection. They didnt want to fly on an aircraft from a third world country.

This is a smiliar story to what Ponmath is saying. A virgin Nigeria aircraft turns up, and we have passengers getting upset about it. They have not paid to fly on an nigerian aircraft (yes we know its just a paint job). Its their perception that matters, not the reality. Virgin, who prides them self on Brand.. didnt deliver the brand that they promised.

However, ponmath winds people up, and then people wind him up. Then the name calling starts.

(BTW - Ive double posted this posting, as the other thread will be cut)



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25 Richard28 : I take your point about perception, that is very valid. However, if you read the other thread (Virgin Dropping LGW-Port Harcourt?), you will see that
26 Jaysit : Dude - we have said this over and over and over again. An eight year old Airbus A340 is NOT an old aircraft. Repeat. An eight year old Airbus A340 is
27 Pomnath : Will you please use only one identity on airliners.net? You are answering sailor99 mails as richard something or the other now. This is nothing, we a
28 HAWK21M : Whose Veereshmalik. True.Mx determines the State of an Aircraft. regds MEL
29 Pomnath : Veereshmalik is somebody from v-flyer.com, which is a support website for Virgin Atlantic. Over there you will find all these Pixuk, sailor, tinkerbel
30 Schipholjfk : He has a point... Indian passengers are indeed sometimes treated differently. With all due to respect, there are some Brits out there who still think
31 Post contains links Pomnath : That's what Richard Branson said. Now this is what TN Ninan says in the Business Standard . . . ""I have a similar problem with some of the assertion
32 Sailor99 : Only use Sailor99 myself. I think what you are picking up is that there are lots of people who disagree with almost your every word. Nope, actually i
33 Post contains links Veereshmalik : I am,my only advice is to read this thread, take a couple of aspirin before you start though: link oh and take a long look at post 123 in that thread,
34 LAXDESI : I hold a US passport and have experienced this at LHR and Vienna and at USA/Mexico border and USA/Canada border. This is probably done by all develop
35 Sailor99 : I think this is a very valid question to ask. It is widely reported that VS cabin crew are paid less than the industry norm. I suppose that is their
36 Pomnath : I am not surprised, sailor99, because I am sure the results of the research I've done on you and your cohorts is beginning to worry you and them. You
37 Pomnath : Why, do you work for them when not making up excite.com eMail identities? Ask your buddy Gregg Phipps in Australia where he's headed right now, befor
38 Post contains images HAWK21M : Why don't you post the link so that we can read it. regds MEL
39 Post contains links Sailor99 : Nope. Um, no that's not the case. See reply 124 in the link below. I think this is the link that was referred to: RE: Virgin Dropping LGW-Port Harcou
40 Pomnath : That thread has been locked by a moderator who has "Virgin" in his/her name, so we have a very good idea of where the loyalties are. But, to swing th
41 VirginFlyer : Actually, I chose this name over 5 years ago. It refers to the Virgin operating in this country. My loyalty lies to this site, and to providing a serv
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