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Dubai To Become Busiest Airport In The World  
User currently offlineGlareskin From Netherlands, joined Jun 2005, 1308 posts, RR: 1
Posted (9 years 1 month 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 24320 times:

Did a search and found nothing.

WAM, the press agency of the UAE announced that Dubai is going to invest 8.3 Billion dollar in the Jebel Ali international airport. This will be the largest airport in the world with a capacity of 120 million pax per year.

Seems that EK gets good support from their govt.....

[Edited 2005-11-23 08:08:08]


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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6200 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 24303 times:

Largest in what regards: Maybe sq miles, sq feet of terminal.

Its will almost never be the largest in a/c movement or pax.

ASLAX



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11582 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 24270 times:

I agree. It's just not close enough to the center of where people want to travel.


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User currently offlineScotron11 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1178 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 24263 times:

Quoting AS739X (Reply 1):

Largest in what regards: Maybe sq miles, sq feet of terminal.


Larger that LHR & ORD combined, according to ATW.


User currently offlineSiromega From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 24242 times:

120M pax? Thats what, 6 parallel runways?

User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4639 posts, RR: 36
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 24219 times:

Just because they build it that big, doesn't mean it'll be the busiest.

I think the UAE is going a little crazy with projects. Ah well usually several Canadian contracters get some sweet contracts with big projects in Dubai. So that's cool  Smile

Kris



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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6200 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 24210 times:

Ok, could Dubai ever attract that much traffic?

ASLAX



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User currently offlineScotron11 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1178 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 24183 times:

Quoting AS739X (Reply 6):

Ok, could Dubai ever attract that much traffic?

I guess they're going to try. And when you look at the explosive growth in air traffic over the last 10 years, think of what it'll be like 10-15 years from now.

Besides, they'll need all that space for their fleet!


User currently offlineBrasuca From Brazil, joined Mar 2004, 717 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 24176 times:

Just for comparison, what airport currently has the largest capacity in the world?


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User currently offlineSq212 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 272 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 24151 times:

Quoting Glareskin (Thread starter):
Did a search and found nothing.

http://www.atwonline.com/news/story.html?storyID=3179

Quoting AS739X (Reply 1):
Largest in what regards: Maybe sq miles, sq feet of terminal.

The airport will measure 140 sq. km., 10 times the area of Dubai International and as big as London Heathrow and Chicago O'Hare combined.

140 sq. km is more than twice the land area of entire Singapore!

Quoting Glareskin (Thread starter):
Seems that EK gets good support from their govt.....

Appears both wants X-LARGE stuff. Too ambitious IMO. Hope it bears fruits.

Cheers


User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 24107 times:

Quoting Glareskin (Thread starter):
Seems that EK gets good support from their govt.....

Not surprising, the al-Maktoum brothers (clan) control the Emirate of Dubai, as well as EK.


User currently offlineEg777er From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 1837 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 24087 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 2):
I agree. It's just not close enough to the center of where people want to travel.

3.5 billion people live within 8 hours flying time of DXB. It's right in the centre of the world...


User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 24004 times:

IMHO the reason why DXB will never have a as great a traffic as LHR or ORD are:

1) As compraed to ORD, the DXB will NEVER have as much domestic traffic as ORD

2)As compared to LHR or CDG, DXB will NEVER have as many tourists coming there as in London or Paris

3) DXB does offer great connexions to asia...however this is great for Africa....but for Europe all major routes are operated directly from the major cities in Europe to the major cities in Asia...

DXB is certainly becoming an important hub but I don't think it will ever become as busy as ORD or LHR



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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9210 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 23955 times:

And you never know whether or not this airport will be built...... And I doubt it.

It is almost impossible/0 chance that Dubai will EVER become the busiest airport in the world unless people fly from Los Angeles to San Francisco, London to Paris or Hong Kong to Singapore via Dubai. There traffic is just not there. Besides if I wanna fly from an Asian city to Australia or Europe or even Africa, I can go direct without having to stop in Dubai.

So NO WAY will they ever surpass London, Chicago, Denver, Hong Kong, Singapore etc. NEVER. These places offer great connections. For example, Hong Kong is a gateway to China, Asia (including Japan), USA, Europe as well as Australia. But where is Dubai?


User currently offlineDazeflight From Germany, joined Jun 1999, 580 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 23895 times:

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 12):
3) DXB does offer great connexions to asia...however this is great for Africa....but for Europe all major routes are operated directly from the major cities in Europe to the major cities in Asia...

I guess that's why EK's flights from Europe are fully packed with ppl that do not have Dubai as their final destination.

Quoting United Airline (Reply 13):
So NO WAY will they ever surpass London, Chicago, Denver, Hong Kong, Singapore etc. NEVER. These places offer great connections. For example, Hong Kong is a gateway to China, Asia (including Japan), USA, Europe as well as Australia. But where is Dubai?

Never say never. maybe they won't surpass London as a whole, but why not LHR? Your examples are polemic and not worth the 0.02$. Like eg777er said, half of the world's population lives within an 8 hour flying distance from DXB; additionally, this is the one half where most of the future growth in Air Travel will happen. If EK manages to get a good amount of the growth and fill it's A380s and B777's, there's a pretty good chance for DXB to become one of the largest airports worldwide - yes, paxwise.

ciao
Daniel


User currently offlineEKGOLD From Australia, joined May 2005, 207 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 23859 times:

Quoting Eg777er (Reply 11):
Quoting D L X (Reply 2):
I agree. It's just not close enough to the center of where people want to travel.

3.5 billion people live within 8 hours flying time of DXB. It's right in the centre of the world...

Exactly!

Quoting United Airline (Reply 13):
And you never know whether or not this airport will be built...... And I doubt it.

it is being built... i drive past the site everyday...

http://www.7days.ae/other-business/jaac-already-underway-3.html
Dubai Airport and Jebel Ali Airport need to be understood. The above article will give you an indication that the airport is not being built in isolation but as part of a series of developments that will centre around the airport and sea port being an intergrated logistics centre for the whole region as well as being able to handle 120m pax movements per year. It does not mean they are all going to stopover in Dubai..

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 10):
Quoting Glareskin (Thread starter):
Seems that EK gets good support from their govt.....


Not surprising, the al-Maktoum brothers (clan) control the Emirate of Dubai, as well as EK.

and the point of these posts are???


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9210 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 23857 times:

I seriously doubt that EK will ever surpass BA, SQ etc and I strongly doubt that DXB will ever surpass HKG, SIN, LHR, JFK, ORD etc. The traffic isn't there. The world is not flat but round in shape. Just because DXB is 8 hours away from other cities and the fact that it is in the middle doesn't mean that everyone will have to go to/go through DXB. Nor will everyone wants to go in and out of the middle east. Besides, the population and the countries near gateways like HKG and SIN are much larger.

I could be wrong. Let's wait and see....


User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 23857 times:

Quoting United Airline (Reply 13):
So NO WAY will they ever surpass London, Chicago, Denver, Hong Kong, Singapore etc. NEVER. These places offer great connections. For example, Hong Kong is a gateway to China, Asia (including Japan), USA, Europe as well as Australia. But where is Dubai?

More to the point, where exactly is Denver a gateway to...?

How many international destinations does Denver have direct service to...?

In terms of world importance, Dubai is WAY above Denver  Wink



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User currently offlineEnviroTO From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 829 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 23857 times:

Quoting United Airline (Reply 13):

It is almost impossible/0 chance that Dubai will EVER become the busiest airport in the world unless people fly from Los Angeles to San Francisco, London to Paris or Hong Kong to Singapore via Dubai.

They are mid-way between China, India, Europe, and Africa. As China, India, and hopefully Africa and the Middle East develop there may be increasing demand for air transport. The population of Europe + USA are small peanuts compared to China + India + Africa. It will definitely never be the largest in terms of aircraft movements since the potential for Dubai is large aircraft lower frequency long haul, not small aircraft high frequency short haul.


User currently offlineHiJazzey From Saudi Arabia, joined Sep 2005, 872 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 23824 times:

The project masterplan is huge, but what they're building for now is just a cargo airport with 1 runway and a logistics area connected to Jebel Ali Free Zone.

User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9210 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 23816 times:

Quoting Cornish (Reply 17):

In terms of world importance, Dubai is WAY above Denver

Doubt it. Denver is a domestic hub. Heard that they plan to go International one day

Quoting EnviroTO (Reply 18):
They are mid-way between China, India, Europe, and Africa. As China, India, and hopefully Africa and the Middle East develop there may be increasing demand for air transport. The population of Europe + USA are small peanuts compared to China + India + Africa. It will definitely never be the largest in terms of aircraft movements since the potential for Dubai is large aircraft lower frequency long haul, not small aircraft high frequency short haul.

But not everyone in China, India, Africa can afford to fly.

Well being well located you must also have a purpose to go there/go through there. Europe and USA are two of the world's most important places with lots of business activities. Not the middle east though. Besides nowadays you can easily fly from most parts of the world nonstop to/From Europe and USA. I doubt there is a need for such a super large airport.

Quoting EKGOLD (Reply 15):
Dubai Airport and Jebel Ali Airport need to be understood. The above article will give you an indication that the airport is not being built in isolation but as part of a series of developments that will centre around the airport and sea port being an intergrated logistics centre for the whole region as well as being able to handle 120m pax movements per year. It does not mean they are all going to stopover in Dubai..

Oh ok. I am not sure if it will really be that big. let's see....


User currently offlineAviasian From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1489 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 month 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 23795 times:

Quoting EnviroTO (Reply 18):
They are mid-way between China, India, Europe, and Africa. As China, India, and hopefully Africa and the Middle East develop there may be increasing demand for air transport.

Yes, Dubai is mid-way between China/India and Europe . . . but airlines are developing direct services between them. That which trickles through Dubai are those that are less time-sensitive and more fare-sensitive.

Dubai meteoric growth to date is impressive and nothing said will diminish that. It should however be remembered that as this reaches critical mass, the high percentage growth may no longer be sustained . . . it will diminish from high double-digit to eventually single-digit percentage growth. Emirates is also facing challenges from other Middle Eastern airlines such as Qatar Airways, Etihad Airways and others. African airlines are also becoming more efficient and extending their reach.

There is a certain tendency in some parts of the world toward "buying" superlatives . . . the situation with the "world's tallest buildings" is one parallel situation. This title makes its rounds like musical chairs . . . and biggest airport is one thing, busiest airport is quite another. Ranking of Asia's airports by physical size need not necessarily reflect ranking by aircraft movements and passenger throughput. For the latter, I would put my bet on Shanghai Pudong Airport.

KC Sim


User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 month 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 23795 times:

Quoting United Airline (Reply 20):
Quoting Cornish (Reply 17):

In terms of world importance, Dubai is WAY above Denver

Doubt it. Denver is a domestic hub. Heard that they plan to go International one day

Its not a question of whether THEY plan - its a question of if the airlines plan.

yes Denver is a domestic hub - but even in America its not that important. Way behind the likes of ORD, EWR, LAX, ATL, SFO, DFW, MIA, PHL, DTW, MSP, etc, etc, etc.

Although perhaps your user name should have alerted me to why you think Denver is bizarrely more important than Dubai in the global civil aviation market.  Wink



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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9210 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 month 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 23774 times:

Well Denver is a lot busier than DXB, LAX, SFO, EWR etc in terms of total number flights as well as passengers. It is a huge domestic hub. It's just that it lacks international flights and passengers.

Quoting Aviasian (Reply 21):
For the latter, I would put my bet on Shanghai Pudong Airport

I doubt PVG will ever surpass HKG as a passenger/cargo hub. Afterall Hong Kong is the world's largest logistics centre (followed by Rotterdam and Singapore) and it is Asia's super hub. Better location and more international flights. But PVG is becoming important too.

Actually CAN is busier than PVG and China Southern is the biggest airline in China.

Again only time can tell.


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9210 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 month 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 23762 times:

BTW any plans for Qatar and Doha?

25 Cornish : True enough, but in the changing aviation world, Denver is not brilliantly placed. Without a massive pure O&D market like certain other US cities wit
26 Post contains images United Airline : I believe so too. I agree.
27 Post contains images Cornish : Phew. That's ok then
28 Glareskin : The point of my post was obviously to inform the a.net about this plans. And my remark about the government support has no negative bias. Just a simp
29 Post contains images Manni : If only 10% of the people can afford to fly in these regions, you have already a potential that's much bigger than the people in the US or Europe who
30 United Airline : Thanks. Cool! Definitely less than that. US/European airlines make heaps of money on transatlantic routes too. And some within Europe. USA is the wor
31 EurostarVA : Work has already started on the New Doha International Airport (NDIA), which is just a huge redevelopment of the current airport, with a new runway b
32 United Airline : Not bad. Looking forward to the Asian Games 2006 in Doha.
33 Caribb : True but how many of them are financially able to use air travel. There are large populations in Africa and South America too but it doesn't mean the
34 Post contains images IL76 : Eh? Singapore is 14x10km?
35 IL76 : I don't see why Dubai should be such a major hub, that might 'steal away' traffic from other airports. Europe-Asia can be done non-stop. Europe-Africa
36 Vimanav : The total land area of Singapore is 682.7 sq.km. They are still about 20% the size of Singapore. rgds//Vimanav
37 Jet-lagged : I think Dubai is making good use of their oil money to build infrastructure and invest in a variety of developments for the future.
38 RedChili : Well, all airlines that fly from a government owned airport get "support" from their governments when the government decides to expand the airport. I
39 Sebolino : More and more. I guess that's the point of this airport: anticipation
40 Post contains images Manni : True, and it's also the largest money loser with the worst inflight product and has arguably the worlds oldest average fleet. I said IF 10%, you say
41 Flymia : Well Chicago is located in Chicago. It is a huge hub for two of the largest airlines in the wold AA and UA. Its a major gateway to the US from Europe
42 Post contains links and images JetMaster : I don't think DXB will ever focus on domestic travel... NEVER say never. You mean such as HAM-KHI, GLA-CMB, DUS-KUL or BHX-HKG and all those others?
43 United Airline : Alright my apologies for the wrong information. Yes LAX is busier. Exactly. Heard that they plan to turn Denver into an International hub. Not sure i
44 Manni : I guess that was a typo, but just in case it isn't, BA is a British airline, not an American.
45 EurostarVA : Exactly. Emirates has a goal to connect major and secondary cities in the world with other major and secondary cities, via its hub in Dubai. Other ai
46 United Airline : Well I was talking about European and American aviation. Still they can open up new long haul routes. I doubt EK will surpass CX, SQ etc not to menti
47 N270FT : What is happening with the current Dubai Intl. It has very new and modern facilities. AW
48 MCIrunway : I applaud DXB for having the foresight to create infrastructure before it's needed. However, I believe the doubters are only trying to say that DXB ma
49 JetMaster : Do you really expect to see many new secondary international airports to be connected to SIN or HKG soon? They simply won't match EK's European prese
50 United Airline : True. But HKG is a much larger gateway to Asia, China, USA, Canada etc. And being in the middle doesn't mean that everyone has to go through DXB. Als
51 D L X : Wow! The Europeans really come out when the Americans are asleep... So? Who cares how many people there are in an area? How many of them fly? India an
52 United Airline : And SQ and CX have much better reputation, fame and network in North America. Also they fly to a lot more US destinations than EK. Also they fly to Ca
53 Anandt : Keeping aside the location based arguements, we also need to factor that with QR, GF and other carriers in the bag they can't take for granted that al
54 Post contains images EA CO AS : The vast majority of which have never, nor WILL ever board an airplane - primarily due to their socioeconomic background. By contrast, the U.S. conta
55 Jaysit : If within the next 20 years even 10% of both China and India can afford to fly (and those numbers are absolutely within the realm of possibility), th
56 United Airline : Besides a lot of EK's competitors like CX, SQ etc offer good deals nonstop to Europe from time to time and passengers can transit through a European h
57 D L X : I think you misunderstood me. This isn't about politics. I'm saying that the only people that would fly via DXB from the Americas are the people who
58 Caribb : Yep, Vancouver, Toronto and Montreal have all been singled out as future destinations. Well, YUL has no flights beyond North America, the Caribbean,
59 United Airline : Not sure about YYZ and EK. Why doesn't SQ fly to YYZ? Alright. I agree.
60 N60659 : Okay let us take a hypothetical situation - let us say I want to travel from the West Coast of the US to either HYD or MAA. How would you suggest I r
61 RootsAir : True, but they have the alternative of direct routes from Europe which takes away many pax from DXB(in the case of Africa alternatives are much lower
62 JetMaster : I don't question HKG's and SIN's status as leading cargo hubs, but I simply pointed out EK usually can fly with full payload (and lots of cargo) on t
63 707lvr : Taking advantage of its own "center of the world" position, is it true that Ulan Bator (or Ulaanbaatar) has plans to build an even larger airport, 900
64 United Airline : Maybe when they get more aircraft they will expand more into Europe. It's easier for SQ and CX especially CX to expand into North America though. Yea
65 RedChili : As JetMaster wrote above, connecting in those cities will very often mean a double connection. From HKG or SIN you can only catch nonstop flights to
66 JetMaster : Not if I simply want to go from A to C via B. If someone from HAM wants to fly to MEL he is most likely not interested in the status of his transfer
67 EA CO AS : I have, yes. Have you? Re-read what I wrote, in reply to the commentary about 3.5 Billion people living within a few hours of DXB. The vast majority
68 United Airline : If they do and if they manage to fill them up and make money then yeah. But CX has major plans to expand into USA with the billateral agreement betwe
69 Post contains images United Airline : True but no where as big as SIN and HKG. True in some extent. But again HKG and SIN are ranked two of the world's best airports. HKG is the winner of
70 JetMaster : Which still leaves most of Europe and large parts of Asia (yes, even the relatively wealthy countries). Really? I'm wondering if you have ever checke
71 Post contains links Sunnyb : Okay. World's Largest Airport (JXB) (by Sunnyb Nov 22 2005 in Civil Aviation)
72 United Airline : I have been to all 3. But I can assure that HKG/SIN/BKK are much bigger tourist destinations than DXB especially Hong Kong being one of the world's l
73 JetMaster : I doubt Hong Kong has more attractions to offer. But there are many mainlanders who visit friends and family in Hong Kong - and that explains a big p
74 Post contains links N60659 : Are you basing this on past history or future projections? According to Boeing's CMO, GDP for China and Southwest Asia (which includes India) is supp
75 Post contains links United Airline : Sorry typo. I mean reclamations. You may be right but there are certainly a lot of people in China and India who can't even afford to travel on buses
76 Emirates773ER : Any news on routes which emirates may be opening up next year especially in North America if they want 120 million people to visit there airport?
77 Post contains images IberiaA319 : The new airport at Jebel Ali will have 370 parking positions , that will be a huge airport. By the way, from what I remember (I went to the Emirates i
78 D L X : Okay, let's see what we got here... You and your 3 or 4 fellow West Coast - HYD/MAA travelers would probably be fine stopping in DXB, although I'd bet
79 CHI787ORD : I really disagree with this comment. ORD is the major hub that it is today for 2 reasons: 1) Business/Financial industries in Chicago and 2) the geog
80 JetMaster : Yes, and two of my examples did not contain Oceania but Asian destinations (KUL & MNL). So no, not off-context. You forgot Europe to Asia - again. In
81 JetMaster : A "majority" of regular fliers - that means more than 50% of the world's regular flyers? Source please. Regards, JM
82 N60659 : Excuse me, have you even been out here to the West Coast. Apparently you haven't heard of companies like Microsoft, Amazon, Google, Sun, Oracle and a
83 D L X : Actually, I used to work for one of the companies you mention. I am well aware of the proportion of Indians and Pakistanis in the Software Engineerin
84 RedChili : Personally, HKG is my favourite airport in the world, and CX is my favourite airline. I would love to see CX and HKG grow a lot. But honestly, I beli
85 Post contains links and images IberiaA319 : Ah, just found it: "The airport at Jebel Ali will be built 40 kms from the existing Dubai International Airport adjacent to Jebel Ali Port and Jebel
86 Post contains images IberiaA319 : And with those 850 towers surrounding the airport + the residential city + the Dubai Logistic's city + the Aviation city + the Science and Technology
87 N60659 : I wouldn't base any major market prediction on the route network of a current US carrier. Only recently (within the last few months) have carriers li
88 ER757 : This is one of the silliest and most flawed statements I've ever read on this forum. Chicago's in the middle of nowhere? Tell that to the 54 million
89 Brilondon : I don't think that Dubai is on my list of must-go-to places. The worlds busiest airports all have airlines that are of the largest in the world and h
90 Sorayafaradiba : this is a very long thread...I havent read it completely...so this might have been discussed before... 1. I think EK will be one of the BIG players, p
91 IRelayer : I know, it is crazy! I was watching Megastructres on Nat Geo channel and they were detailing the bevy of man-made islands that they are building. Tho
92 Neo : You are understimating the potential for growth and development in those areas.. I wonder what makes you so sure these people in Africa and Eurasia w
93 Post contains images A332 : Wow... it seems most of our friends in America have a serious problem with both Dubai and Emirates in general... I guess if it's not an American based
94 United Airline : I seriously doubt it especially with the close relationship with different countries worldwide including China. I believe DXB and EK will grow but I
95 D L X : Oh wait. Just because I'm criticizing it, it's because I'm an American, and I hate all things non-American? My BS meter just maxed out. I don't think
96 FCYTravis : DXB will never become the world's largest hub because it will never have the volume and number of connections and flights possible in high-frequency d
97 Post contains links BA : Out of the 42,393,766 passengers that passed through Denver in 2004 (10th busiest airport in the world), 56% of those passengers were O&D (Origin & D
98 Schipholjfk : The sun will rise in the West before Dubai becomes the busiest airport in the world. Not happening! It's all part of exxageration that you have to sco
99 Gigneil : I just wanted to make sure that I pointed out that DEN is the 10th busiest airport in the entire world in terms of passengers. Pretty damn important
100 EnviroTO : Just most of China, India, and Africa can't afford to fly now doesn't mean they won't be able to afford to fly later. Dubai is already 11th in terms o
101 Post contains images Glareskin : This picture was published in the Dutch newspaper De Volkskrant this morning. The article describes that future competition for AMS is not coming from
102 Cloudy : That is true. Most of the future growth of demand for air travel is in Asia. In time, there will be more demand for air travel in Asia than in either
103 United Airline : There are chances for USA and Europe to grow still...... I doubt the middle east or Dubai will ever become a leading large international business/fina
104 Cornish : That is a big O&D figure indeed - certainly bigger than I expected, so I stand corrected from a US domestic perspective. However, from an internation
105 United AIrline : Heard that they plan to turn DEN into an international hub. Not sure if they will succeed
106 BA : 1x daily British Airways B777-200ER from London Heathrow. 1x daily Lufthansa A340-600 (B747-400 in the summer) from Frankfurt. 1x daily Mexicana A320
107 Carpethead : Who would hand thought of hourly 747/777 flights between HND-ITM/CTS/FUK thirty years ago by two carriers in Japan? Tokyo Haneda is now fourth on pax
108 Post contains links Emirates773ER : Throughout the thread what I didn't see people talking about are all the A380, B773ER and A346HGW which Emirates is going to acquire during the next 1
109 FokkerVII : I think the main point here is more choice to the flying public. If you are going from the US east coast to Asia you now can choose to fly direct, to
110 Post contains images JetMaster : That was an ironic remark. Hint: smiley... You are not interested in numbers or hard facts, are you? At current growth rates EK will soon surpass CX
111 United Airline : Well it hasn't surpassed CX and SQ yet. Wait until the day it happens and we shall discuss this again. I doubt it will ever happen but we will see. S
112 Post contains images JetMaster : What about the growth rates of the past years? There's no indication EK's growth stops anytime soon and there's no indication CX's and SQ's growth ra
113 Post contains images United Airline : Actually HKG is ahead of Tokyo in terms of turnover. Thanks for the explanation. Though I still doubt DXB will ever surpass HKG, SIN, LHR, JFK, ATL, N
114 D L X : KUL is definitely Oceana. MNL is so close that it can be grouped with them. MNL is a LONG way from China, Korea, and Japan, and much closer to Oz. In
115 AirbusA6 : My concerns about Dubai's growth are 1) Is it attractive enough as a destination to make it a good stopover location? In the winter perhaps, for sun w
116 FCYTravis : You won't be wrong. EK will never have high-volume domestic service, which pretty much permanently eliminates its home airport from contention in the
117 N60659 : No sir. If you are talking about flights from DXB to Indian destinations and check the EK Schedules to India, all flights are between 3.5 and 4.5 hou
118 Post contains images JetMaster : First of all - what's "Oceana"? I only know Oceania. And are you talking about Kuala Lumpur or do you mean another destination with "KUL"? Kuala Kump
119 Post contains links and images BA : Actually, it isn't. It's part of Southeast Asia. Oceania refers to Australia, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea and the many Pacific islands such as the
120 FCYTravis : Because it serves as the megahub for an airline's high-frequency domestic service to hundreds of destinations in the largest air travel market in the
121 JetMaster : I'm well aware of that fact. I simply tried to point out that a city doesn't need to be a mega-finance/business center in order to have a mega-hub -
122 D L X : Same difference. From dictionary.reference.com: Oceania - The islands of the southern, western, and central Pacific Ocean, including Melanesia, Micro
123 BA : Oceania refers to the Pacific islands east of Papua New Guinea, Australia, and New Zealand which also encompass Oceania. Only Papua New Guinea on the
124 Post contains images JetMaster : No. Oceania exists, Oceana doesn't. Yes, my globe disagrees because it's the right one. And btw - even if KUL were located on the Malay Archipelago i
125 United Airline : The Malaysian Government should further promote KUL as a hub. There are huge potentials there and I think they should get their acts together and attr
126 Post contains links D L X : Also from dictionary.reference.com: Malay Archipelago - An island group of southeast Asia between Australia and the Asian mainland and separating the
127 Post contains images BA : Kuala Lumpur is in Malaysia, but it isn't on the Malay Archipelago, it's on the Malay Peninsula. KUL is not in Oceania. It's in Southeast Asia. Ocean
128 FRAspotter : I have been to that airport and they are going to have to put some serious money to expand it. There are NO jetways, just rolling stairs and what do
129 A332 : Actually, I think that Udo has handed your ass to you on a plate more than once in this thread... you seem to like to bicker and instigate just for t
130 Post contains links and images JetMaster : Tell me one source which refers to KUL as part of Oceania...and don't hurry in finding one - I have time! It seems you are totally unable to deal wit
131 Post contains images Glareskin : And if the ambitious plans come true it might even become the busiest. Don't forget that Europe and the US are powerful parts of the history of the w
132 Brilondon : this is why DBX will not become the world's busiest airport.
133 Glareskin : Come on you guys! Stop ignoring the fact that the centre of the world is moving towards asia.
134 United Airline : Actually it's hard to define the centre of the world since the world is not flat but it's round. I suppose USA and Europe will continue to lead the wo
135 Alessandro : Could Sharjah be included in those numbers, the airport is very close to Dubai airport if you compare it with Riyadh airport?
136 Post contains images Manni : I suppose some Americans and Europeans will continue to believe that they lead the world, I also believe that the amount of people who believe that n
137 Neo : ATL is nowhere near the biggest financial/business centers in the world and even then is the busiest airport in the world!! Why do you think that is?
138 EurostarVA : I've been keeping an eye on this thread and your many posts. It seems that your thoughts mirror those of many others on this thread. We are all entit
139 United Airline : ATL is a business centre but not as big as the major ones. Nevertheless cities like SIN, HKG, LHR etc are both hubs and international business/financ
140 Sllevin : IMO, that's exactly why I think it will NOT end up being as critical. Smaller aircraft like the A350 and the 787 are going to lead to more and more o
141 Cloudy : The fragmentation theory does not predict a large increase in point to point flying. You won't be able to fly direct from Berlin to Perth. Notice tha
142 Cloudyapple : I can't believe the naivete of some of the posts. Dubai is being used by Emirates as a hub. As proven, hub and spokes do work and emirates is exploiti
143 Post contains images Sllevin : That's why I was referring to 'transit hubs.' I agree, it's not a well-defined term, and I'm not helping What I mean by a 'transit hub' is where the
144 Longhaulheavy : Will Emirates offer flights from one side of the airport to the other?
145 Post contains images LOT767-300ER : Your concept of Human Geography and socioeconomics is far below par my son. Go check your figures on WHICH airport has the most movements in the worl
146 EurostarVA : And who said most passengers prefer to fly a 10-hr flight and then connect onto a 50 minute hop, when you can break the journey down into 2, more man
147 FCYTravis : Amsterdam is conveniently located in the midst of the European Union, with major destination airports an hour or so away - MUC, FRA, LHR/LCY, CDG, MXP
148 EurostarVA : That's correct, you said it 'today'. This thread is about the future, ie: the next two or three decades. Do you mean location? How on earth could it
149 FCYTravis : Because EU-Asia traffic today is well-served by non-stops? It would be like starting a connecting hub in Bermuda. Fine, so it's sort of on the way bet
150 JetMaster : Just because DEL, BOM and MAA might get some new nonstops to some of the world's major hubs (JFK, ORD etc.) it will not happen for countless secondar
151 D L X : JM, it's not that we think DXB is bound for failure, for me, it's quite the contrary. I think DXB will be successful. What I don't understand is why
152 Hailstone : Have not gone through the entire tread, but 140 sq.km is not more than twice the land area of Singapore - Singapore is not big, but still does have a
153 JetMaster : Agreed - and if you check all my replies then you'll find out I have never said it would become the "Biggest" or "Greatest". See above. Their fast gr
154 D L X : The thread title says "Busiest." I say "that won't happen." I get attacked, and some even question me for bias. (Wow!) Although, I'm glad we can come
155 Sllevin : Because it's not going to be two legs, it will become three via DXB. See below... The trouble is, flying A330's and such means you have to fly to cit
156 JetMaster : Your example is nice but it totally ignores what I wrote earlier. I clearly said that EK will never be able to fly to as many European cities as LH o
157 D L X : How much? What's your take on how that will help DXB become the busiest airport in the world? People do check flight times though, which are directly
158 Brilondon : That somewhere in Georgia is Atlanta. This happens to be one of the world's largest airline's hubs. Delta if you don't already know. The reason is th
159 D L X : Good point, imo. Do you (or anyone) know what EK's rank in terms of annual boardings is? And where it's predicted to be in 10 years?
160 Sllevin : Again, past history. Places like NCE, BSL and SOF may well not have a large cargo market. Of course they are competition. But enough to make DXB the
161 Post contains images Lehpron : What's your point of view here? Didn't Einstein once say that "people who never make mistakes have never tried anything new" -- at least UAE is tryin
162 Cloudy : That is a good point I had not thought about. You do need a long haul, lower capacity planes on one leg to achieve fragmentation. But the 2nd leg can
163 Post contains images JetMaster : I have never said it would become the busiest. And flight times aren't really bad on many connections. Just check it on the major airlines between Eu
164 Sllevin : Did you miss all those orders? More accurately, with your logic, since Dubai and EK are not that large now, they never will be. 772LRX or A345SHGW. A
165 Post contains images JetMaster : Which ones? The B787 ones which will replace current B767 and A330 fleets? What? Can you please explain to me that rather odd statement? Do you know
166 Sllevin : Not all will be replacements. After all, the oldest 330's will less than 15 years old when 350's start showing up. Not any more than you can explain:
167 RiddlePilot215 : Isn't EK still partially gov't owned?
168 JetMaster : Certain airlines will fly both A330 and A350/B787 for some years. What about the B767s? You said EK's strategy is a concept of the past and I asked w
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