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KLM To Replace Old 737 By 737NG  
User currently offlineAMSGOT From Sweden, joined Jun 2005, 337 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 9168 times:

Leo van Wijk told Luchtvaarnieuws.nl KLM is going to phase out the old 737's (300/400) and replace them with 738's and 739's. KLM still has to decide if they're going to equip all their 737NG's with blendet winglets.

Quite remarkable to see KLM is about to order 738's and 739, while AF chose Airbus. Anyway, this means more good news for Boeing this week!

edit:
luchtvaartnieuws article

[Edited 2005-11-23 12:44:43]


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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 9064 times:

KL already operates the 737NG, and they're not about to get rid of them, so commonality with AF is a moot point.


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User currently offlineFraport From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8988 times:

Are they a candidate for the -900ER as they already operate non-ERs?

User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8943 times:

Quoting AMSGOT (Thread starter):
Quite remarkable to see KLM is about to order 738's and 739, while AF chose Airbus.

KLM & AF are two airlines taking the best decisions to improve their bottom lines. Not only in words but in also practice. Working together can help to improve the bottom lines, so they do.

FYI the NG´s are getting a cabin upgrade, the CG´s too.


User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4692 posts, RR: 43
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8938 times:

Also, once your fleet has reached a sufficiently large number, there are hardly any gains from a potential commonality to other fleets.


Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
User currently offlineFokker70NG From Netherlands, joined Nov 2005, 234 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8848 times:

Last summer AF and KL even stated that they were not thinking about fleet harmonisation yet.

Source, in dutch: http://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/news/?id=8573



Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. -Albert Einstein
User currently offlineHalibut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8785 times:

How many 737s' are we talking here ?

 confused 

Halibut


User currently offlineHansieAMS From Australia, joined Dec 2003, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8754 times:

Quote:

KLM beschikt over 27 vliegtuigen van dit type, waarvan er vijftien zijn geleasd.

Translation: KLM has 27 of these (old 737) aircraft in the fleet, of which 15 are leased.


User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8753 times:

Quoting Halibut (Reply 6):
How many 737s' are we talking here ?

Looks like 27.



When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' T.Roosevelt
User currently offlineHalibut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8709 times:

Quoting N328KF (Reply 8):
Quoting Halibut (Reply 6):
How many 737s' are we talking here ?

Looks like 27.

Cool !  cool 

Thanx

Halibut


User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2488 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8587 times:

Note that KLM is only about to order 737 NG's , wich means they will only go for 700's for the 300 and 400 replacement... wouldn't suprise me if the order will be smaller than the number of 300/400's they have, since some 737-300 routes will be taken over by new F-100's and F-70's entering the fleet soon (ex pelitta and all ex AF;s)

User currently offlineLamedianaranja From Venezuela, joined Nov 2004, 1246 posts, RR: 21
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8505 times:

Hopefully they'll go for the winglet-option.That aircraft looks so cute with large winglets.
Only today I was admiring the Privatair B737/KL663 aircraft, absolutely gorgeous. It was parked at gate D03 at SPL. Surely a picture taken from the spectator terrace will show up soon.



I wish that all skies were orange and blue!!
User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3161 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8473 times:

Quoting MauriceB (Reply 10):
Note that KLM is only about to order 737 NG's , wich means they will only go for 700's for the 300 and 400 replacement...

Where do you see they are only about to order the -700s? In the article, it is not stated. Are you confused with the 73G-designation (which means 737-700) and the 737 NG (which includes all -600 to -900s).

Not all airlines are looking for 1-to-1 replacement for their planes. It might well be that they only order -800s or a combination of -800s and -900s. How do you know that their current fleet is the exact perfect match for their current company structure?

I won't be surprised however if they'd order some 737-700s too. Also, Transavia already operates this type.


User currently offlineZSOFN From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1412 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8467 times:

Quoting MauriceB (Reply 10):
Note that KLM is only about to order 737 NG's , wich means they will only go for 700's for the 300 and 400 replacement...

It doesn't say that - it could be any of the 737NGs, not just the -700 or "73G" as it's commonly known.

EDIT: Simultaneous posting! What Joost said  Wink

[Edited 2005-11-23 15:26:52]

User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8447 times:

And don't forget the talk last year about replacing some F100s with 737s, shifting those to F70 routes, and shifting some F70s to F50 routes which would then be retired...

KLM seems to want an all-jet fleet, and that would be a logical choice (unless they're getting ERJs to replace the Fokkers, also in the rumour mill).



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User currently offlineLamedianaranja From Venezuela, joined Nov 2004, 1246 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 8212 times:

Quoting Joost (Reply 12):
I won't be surprised however if they'd order some 737-700s too. Also, Transavia already operates this type.

And already KLM is operating 2 of HV's aircraft with its own cockpit- and cabin crew.



I wish that all skies were orange and blue!!
User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2488 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8122 times:

Quoting Lamedianaranja (Reply 15):
And already KLM is operating 2 of HV's aircraft with its own cockpit- and cabin crew.

but those are 800's  Wink


User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2669 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7411 times:

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 14):
KLM seems to want an all-jet fleet, and that would be a logical choice (unless they're getting ERJs to replace the Fokkers, also in the rumour mill).

An ERJ-145 in the KL color scheme would be gorgeous, IMO. As would a CR7. Hope to see that come to fruition.


User currently offlinePetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3351 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7334 times:

Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 17):
An ERJ-145 in the KL color scheme would be gorgeous, IMO. As would a CR7. Hope to see that come to fruition.

Search the database for a KLM Exel E145. They flew 3 or 4 of them mostly from Eindhoven.



Attamottamotta!
User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7185 times:

Exel operated 3 ERJs.
2 for KLM operations, one on longterm lease to the RNth Navy (don't know what livery that one used).

The ERJs were later transferred to the Netherlands Antilles under the BonairExel brand.
No idea where they are now.



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User currently offlinePetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3351 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6237 times:

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 19):
No idea where they are now.

Spotter PH-RXA in MAN last week with EXEL livery and BMI Regional titles.



Attamottamotta!
User currently offlineAeroVodochody From Czech Republic, joined Feb 2005, 540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5946 times:

Yeah but the KL ERJ's weren't painted in the KL Scheme.

Good News for KL, its pax, and Boeing though. Big grin

Aero



Try not to be jealous, we can't all be Czech.
User currently offlineERAUgrad02 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5021 times:

Quoting Fraport (Reply 2):

I hope boeing gets another order for these also. we will just have to see. this is my favorite plane now that the 757 is no longer in production.

i have a feeling the 900er will be the only 900 now. why sell the same airframe when the ER can hold so many more pax and fly farther.

anyone else know if boeing will continue to build the 900 with the 900er once the ER is flying?



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User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4760 times:

The Exel ERJs (the 2 of them) were in KLM livery with Exel titles at least at some point.


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User currently offlineSpeedbirdEGJJ From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 429 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4357 times:

Quoting AeroVodochody (Reply 21):
Yeah but the KL ERJ's weren't painted in the KL Scheme.

Sorry to go off topic somewhat, but you're wrong


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25 Joost : Well, when the customer does not need the extra range or pax, a 900 can be cheaper to produce and thus to sell.
26 JRadier : and it's logical that the extra door will make the aircraft heavier, making it more expensive to operate. For example KLM, they don't need the extra
27 Dutchjet : Good to hear that KL will stick with the 737NG family to replace is 733/734 fleet......I think that we will see an order for about 35 aircraft, and I
28 Georgiabill : Good news for both KLM and Boeing! Is KLM a candidate for the 773ER or 787? Or will they add additional A332's and possibly A333's?
29 Kappel : They are considering the 787/a350 for replacement of the MD-11's after 2012. The 773ER seems to a logical replacement for the 744pax, and the combi's
30 CV990 : Hi! I'm very pleased to see KLM ordering new airplanes to replace the quite old 737-300/400's. I also think the best option should be for the 737-700,
31 Keesje : I think the -700 doesn't offer big advantages in comparison to the -800. The -800 offers capasity flexibility over the -700. The 900ER's significantl
32 CV990 : Hi Keesje! Just one question, did Boeing projected the 737-700 to replace the 737-300 Classic? I was just thinking about Southwest and how they have b
33 Post contains links and images Keesje : The -700 is a little lighter, generally has lower engine powersettings etc, so is marginally cheaper to operate. When you are sure you don't need the
34 Kappel : It may not be directed at me, but the -700 was originally referred to as the -300x, and the -800 the 400x, and finally the -600 was the 500x. So yes,
35 Joost : That's right. But here, you should consider that Transavia already operates 10 737-7K2s and so they have commonalty with them too. Correct me if I'm
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