Kiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8442 posts, RR: 14 Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5682 times:
Quoting Cornish (Reply 1): no chance of them getting into LHR under new entrant/market slot rules then?
perhaps TN , as a predominantly leisure airline , does not want to pay over-the-top prices for slots at LHR . They are high on my list of airlines to try 'one day' . I have yet to see a bad review of them - so good luck on this service - be nice for Kiwis/Aussies to have yet another NZ/Aus - UK option .
Moderation in all things ... including moderation ;-)
They would qualify as a new entrant, but I would doubt that there would be attractive slots in the pool that they could use.
Do French airlines have unlimited 5ths out of the UK? I know the within EU market is completely deregulated, but what about EU-third country? If any EU carrier has unlimited 5ths and as US-France is open skies it would seem that TN already has the authority to do this.
If this is correct, is it also not correct that any EU airline based in one of the 15 countries with an open-skies agreement, already has HEATHROW - US rights? (subject to slot availability). i.e. LH or KL etc. could start this tomorrow!
This sounds much better (and shorter) than PPT-JFK-LGW.
only slightly shorter - about 150nm according to Great Circle Mapper - but I guess JFK has the advantage that it is already a current destination for TN . SFO is only an hours flight from LAX which is a major destination for TN so they might not see the sense in opening a third point in the US at the moment
Moderation in all things ... including moderation ;-)
CHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62 Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5483 times:
Blimey - thats impressive. People can say what they want about the A340-300 but, aside from being one of the most beautiful aircraft God ever put on this Earth, she does have some serious range on her.
How long is JFK-PPT? 11 hours?
What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4 Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5265 times:
Quoting Arsenal@LHR (Reply 8): Gatwick is the preferred airport for the longer leisure destinations for a lot of airlines. LTN and STN are still very much a LCC and regional leisure destination airport.
Actually several long-haul flights to Florida and the Caribbean, maybe Thailand/Kenya depart from London other airports: STN and LTN.
Also it seems Northern London to Birmingham area has a wealthier (and larger) potential passenger base for a PPT vacation than southern London around LGW.
AF Cabin Crew From French Polynesia, joined Sep 1999, 1036 posts, RR: 36 Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5070 times:
Ia Orana from Tahiti !
Well I must say that this is news to us in Tahiti as we have been told by the media and by ATN itself that it is losing too much money for its size and that they are not going to spend any money, on recruiting new agents, or anything. They are trying real hard to make JFK and SYD work, they might cut some flights out as only AKL and CDG are making money or breaking even.
I will try to get some more info on this but for now I doubt it !
Planesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4106 posts, RR: 12 Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4987 times:
Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 18): Actually several long-haul flights to Florida and the Caribbean, maybe Thailand/Kenya depart from London other airports: STN and LTN.
eh? No they don't! The only long hauls to/from LTN or STN are the Eos and Maxjet flights.
Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 18): Also it seems Northern London to Birmingham area has a wealthier (and larger) potential passenger base for a PPT vacation than southern London around LGW.
Funny that, Surrey is the richest county in the UK and Gatwick is on the surrey border almost:
Quote: The ten richest counties, however, are all in the south, with London and its surrounds dominating the top ten ranking. Household income in Surrey (the richest county, with an average income of £33,400)
2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4 Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4982 times:
Quoting BestWestern (Reply 21): Really? Thats why all secheduled leisure destinations operate from Gatwick or Heathrow. Amazing, isn't it?
How many of those scheduled leisure passengers are actually from London?
LHR and LGW attract more airlines because the amount of potential connecting passengers they could get.
Quoting AF Cabin Crew (Reply 22): Well I must say that this is news to us in Tahiti as we have been told by the media and by ATN itself that it is losing too much money for its size and that they are not going to spend any money, on recruiting new agents, or anything. They are trying real hard to make JFK and SYD work, they might cut some flights out as only AKL and CDG are making money or breaking even.
IMHO, if Air Tahiti Nui is losing too much money and wants to fly to London, better be STN or LTN for is cheaper for them to operate there than LGW.
I don't work for COPA Airlines!
25 Skyteam10001: I can see how it makes sense for them : they already fly PPT-JFK, and I hear they are having trouble making that one profitable (even though it is fai
26 AS739X: KiwiAndrew: Thats was funny! SQno1: SFO is just to close to LAX. I was actually surprised TN didn't choose YVR considering they have been sniffing aro
27 BestWestern: So, why then fly to Stansted, where the only interline opportunities would be to BUD and PRG, or to LTN, where you could interline to.... eh.... Lori
28 Pe@rson: I don't see why people are even contemplating both LTN and STN, for the chances of TN operating to either is very mimimal indeed. If TN only fly to Lo
29 Gilesdavies: Im all for an LTN-JFK-PPT service! It will compliment Lutons other long haul services!
30 Dutchjet: Seems to be some conflict here - it will be interesting to see if LGW is added to the route map. I am concerned that the airline is losing money, lau
31 ScandinA340: Just wondering, what makes AKL profitable and SYD not for TN? Is it the cargo revenue on the AKL route (because I can't imagine pax load figures would
32 BBJII: I heard from a good source, sorry can't name them here, that if TN does operate to LGW, AF will launch a feeder to CDG: arrive LGW same time - depart
33 Kiwiandrew: US ??? I know they serve LGW - but in a Skyteam context dont you mean CO? From the South Pacific point of view TN would be great - at the moment Skyt
34 AF Cabin Crew: Ia Orana all. It was released today in the medias that ATN's load factors for the JFK run was 30% and for SYD 50% both routes are losing money. Concer
35 Dutchjet: The SYD and JFK routes are rather new - the routes do need some time to mature but 30-50 per cent load factors are rather dismal and operating the fli
36 BestWestern: I did a Skyteam business class RTW in April 2005 including Australasia. LHR-CDG-LAX-PPT SYD-ICN-LHR I used Star Alliance miles between PPT and SYD wi
37 Kiwiandrew: but KL dont fly ex Australia anymore , they codeshare on MH which is a non-Skyteam member . ooops , I should have made that "starting/ending in Austr