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Air Tahiti Nui LON -> PPT Planned For 2006  
User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7150 posts, RR: 57
Posted (8 years 10 months 7 hours ago) and read 6489 times:

I have it on excellent authority that Air Tahiti nui will commence London Tahiti services in 2006. Services will initially commence twice weekly.

The routing will involve a US stop over with full traffic rights. (Potentially LGW - JFK - PPT - with TN being the only airline to offer LGW JFK flights)


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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 7 hours ago) and read 6466 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Thread starter):
(Potentially LGW - JFK - PPT - with TN being the only airline to offer LGW JFK flights)

no chance of them getting into LHR under new entrant/market slot rules then?



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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 7 hours ago) and read 6448 times:

I'm there. Simple as.

They are a fantastic airline. Damn good way of getting to New York if you ask me.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8565 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 7 hours ago) and read 6438 times:
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Quoting Cornish (Reply 1):
no chance of them getting into LHR under new entrant/market slot rules then?

perhaps TN , as a predominantly leisure airline , does not want to pay over-the-top prices for slots at LHR . They are high on my list of airlines to try 'one day' . I have yet to see a bad review of them - so good luck on this service - be nice for Kiwis/Aussies to have yet another NZ/Aus - UK option .  thumbsup 



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User currently offlineANother From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 7 hours ago) and read 6409 times:

Quoting Cornish (Reply 1):
under new entrant/market slot rules then

They would qualify as a new entrant, but I would doubt that there would be attractive slots in the pool that they could use.

Do French airlines have unlimited 5ths out of the UK? I know the within EU market is completely deregulated, but what about EU-third country? If any EU carrier has unlimited 5ths and as US-France is open skies it would seem that TN already has the authority to do this.

If this is correct, is it also not correct that any EU airline based in one of the 15 countries with an open-skies agreement, already has HEATHROW - US rights? (subject to slot availability). i.e. LH or KL etc. could start this tomorrow!


User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 7 hours ago) and read 6391 times:

Quoting ANother (Reply 4):
They would qualify as a new entrant, but I would doubt that there would be attractive slots in the pool that they could use.

well you never know - remember they would only be looking at one slot pair - and then it almost certainly wouldn't be daily.



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User currently offlineSQno1 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 687 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 7 hours ago) and read 6365 times:

What about LGW-SFO-PPT?

With Regards,
Alex.B


User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 6 hours ago) and read 6306 times:

If it's the leisure market they're after, why not to fly to LTN or STN?

Quoting SQno1 (Reply 6):
What about LGW-SFO-PPT?

This sounds much better (and shorter) than PPT-JFK-LGW.



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User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 6 hours ago) and read 6294 times:
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Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 7):
If it's the leisure market they're after, why not to fly to LTN or STN?

Gatwick is the preferred airport for the longer leisure destinations for a lot of airlines. LTN and STN are still very much a LCC and regional leisure destination airport.



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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 6 hours ago) and read 6289 times:

Can the A343 do JFK-PPT non-stop?

I'd be amazed if it could.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8565 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 6 hours ago) and read 6289 times:
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Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 7):
Quoting SQno1 (Reply 6):
What about LGW-SFO-PPT?

This sounds much better (and shorter) than PPT-JFK-LGW.

only slightly shorter - about 150nm according to Great Circle Mapper - but I guess JFK has the advantage that it is already a current destination for TN . SFO is only an hours flight from LAX which is a major destination for TN so they might not see the sense in opening a third point in the US at the moment



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User currently offlineA360 From Portugal, joined Jun 2005, 434 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 6 hours ago) and read 6259 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 9):
Can the A343 do JFK-PPT non-stop?

I'd be amazed if it could.

Yes it can, with no problems.

It's long, but not that long... "Just" 10122 km.

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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8565 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 6 hours ago) and read 6248 times:
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Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 9):
Can the A343 do JFK-PPT non-stop?

I'd be amazed if it could.

no , it can't - but shhhhhhhh - don't tell TN - 'cos they have been doing it for months
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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 6 hours ago) and read 6239 times:

Blimey - thats impressive. People can say what they want about the A340-300 but, aside from being one of the most beautiful aircraft God ever put on this Earth, she does have some serious range on her.

How long is JFK-PPT? 11 hours?



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineSQNo1 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 687 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 6 hours ago) and read 6200 times:

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 7):

This sounds much better (and shorter) than PPT-JFK-LGW.

Well i said PPT-SFO-LGW because it would open two in my opinion rather important destinations for TN. I never considered that it would be shorter than doing LGW-JFK-PPT.

With Regards,
Alex.B


User currently offlineGordonsmall From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2001, 2108 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 5 hours ago) and read 6155 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 13):
How long is JFK-PPT? 11 hours?

JFK-PPT is only a nudge under 5500 nm. That's barely enough to stretch the legs of even the early A340's.

In fact, even an A330-243 with the 233t MTOW can do that with a more than profitable load.



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User currently offlineAtco2b From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 1114 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 5 hours ago) and read 6117 times:

Im all for LGW-JFK!

Will definitely boost tourism in Tahiti, perhaps the new Barbados? Big grin



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User currently offlineBigOrange From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2365 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 5 hours ago) and read 6113 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 13):
How long is JFK-PPT? 11 hours?

It's 13 hours and 11:45 on the way back


User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 5 hours ago) and read 6021 times:

Quoting Arsenal@LHR (Reply 8):
Gatwick is the preferred airport for the longer leisure destinations for a lot of airlines. LTN and STN are still very much a LCC and regional leisure destination airport.

Actually several long-haul flights to Florida and the Caribbean, maybe Thailand/Kenya depart from London other airports: STN and LTN.
Also it seems Northern London to Birmingham area has a wealthier (and larger) potential passenger base for a PPT vacation than southern London around LGW.



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User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 4 hours ago) and read 5992 times:

Great news for TN!

I think that LGW would be a better base for TN in the UK than STN, idealy I think LHR would be best!

Will they ever be able to operate to LHR?

Rob!  wave 


User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4014 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 4 hours ago) and read 5944 times:

Hey, how about LGW-HNL-PPT???
That would kill two islands with one bird! Big grin



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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7150 posts, RR: 57
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 4 hours ago) and read 5932 times:

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 18):
Actually several long-haul flights to Florida and the Caribbean, maybe Thailand/Kenya depart from London other airports: STN and LTN.

And how many of these are scheduled. Exactly 0%

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 18):
Also it seems Northern London to Birmingham area has a wealthier (and larger) potential passenger base for a PPT vacation than southern London around LGW.

Really? Thats why all secheduled leisure destinations operate from Gatwick or Heathrow. Amazing, isn't it?



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User currently offlineAF Cabin Crew From French Polynesia, joined Sep 1999, 1040 posts, RR: 33
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 3 hours ago) and read 5826 times:
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Ia Orana from Tahiti !

Well I must say that this is news to us in Tahiti as we have been told by the media and by ATN itself that it is losing too much money for its size and that they are not going to spend any money, on recruiting new agents, or anything. They are trying real hard to make JFK and SYD work, they might cut some flights out as only AKL and CDG are making money or breaking even.
I will try to get some more info on this but for now I doubt it !



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User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4121 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 2 hours ago) and read 5743 times:

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 18):
Actually several long-haul flights to Florida and the Caribbean, maybe Thailand/Kenya depart from London other airports: STN and LTN.

eh? No they don't! The only long hauls to/from LTN or STN are the Eos and Maxjet flights.

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 18):
Also it seems Northern London to Birmingham area has a wealthier (and larger) potential passenger base for a PPT vacation than southern London around LGW.

Funny that, Surrey is the richest county in the UK and Gatwick is on the surrey border almost:

Quote:
The ten richest counties, however, are all in the south, with London and its surrounds dominating the top ten ranking. Household income in Surrey (the richest county, with an average income of £33,400)

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/feb2001/pov-f09.shtml


User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 2 hours ago) and read 5738 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 21):
Really? Thats why all secheduled leisure destinations operate from Gatwick or Heathrow. Amazing, isn't it?

How many of those scheduled leisure passengers are actually from London?
LHR and LGW attract more airlines because the amount of potential connecting passengers they could get.

Quoting AF Cabin Crew (Reply 22):
Well I must say that this is news to us in Tahiti as we have been told by the media and by ATN itself that it is losing too much money for its size and that they are not going to spend any money, on recruiting new agents, or anything. They are trying real hard to make JFK and SYD work, they might cut some flights out as only AKL and CDG are making money or breaking even.

IMHO, if Air Tahiti Nui is losing too much money and wants to fly to London, better be STN or LTN for is cheaper for them to operate there than LGW.



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25 Skyteam10001 : I can see how it makes sense for them : they already fly PPT-JFK, and I hear they are having trouble making that one profitable (even though it is fai
26 AS739X : KiwiAndrew: Thats was funny! SQno1: SFO is just to close to LAX. I was actually surprised TN didn't choose YVR considering they have been sniffing aro
27 BestWestern : So, why then fly to Stansted, where the only interline opportunities would be to BUD and PRG, or to LTN, where you could interline to.... eh.... Lori
28 Pe@rson : I don't see why people are even contemplating both LTN and STN, for the chances of TN operating to either is very mimimal indeed. If TN only fly to Lo
29 Post contains images Gilesdavies : Im all for an LTN-JFK-PPT service! It will compliment Lutons other long haul services!
30 Dutchjet : Seems to be some conflict here - it will be interesting to see if LGW is added to the route map. I am concerned that the airline is losing money, lau
31 ScandinA340 : Just wondering, what makes AKL profitable and SYD not for TN? Is it the cargo revenue on the AKL route (because I can't imagine pax load figures would
32 Post contains images BBJII : I heard from a good source, sorry can't name them here, that if TN does operate to LGW, AF will launch a feeder to CDG: arrive LGW same time - depart
33 Kiwiandrew : US ??? I know they serve LGW - but in a Skyteam context dont you mean CO? From the South Pacific point of view TN would be great - at the moment Skyt
34 AF Cabin Crew : Ia Orana all. It was released today in the medias that ATN's load factors for the JFK run was 30% and for SYD 50% both routes are losing money. Concer
35 Dutchjet : The SYD and JFK routes are rather new - the routes do need some time to mature but 30-50 per cent load factors are rather dismal and operating the fli
36 BestWestern : I did a Skyteam business class RTW in April 2005 including Australasia. LHR-CDG-LAX-PPT SYD-ICN-LHR I used Star Alliance miles between PPT and SYD wi
37 Kiwiandrew : but KL dont fly ex Australia anymore , they codeshare on MH which is a non-Skyteam member . ooops , I should have made that "starting/ending in Austr
38 BestWestern : Sorry - meant KE
39 Post contains images B742 : If AF were going to link up with TN in the UK then wouldn't they rather TN fly to LHR than LGW? AF could give TN one of the slots at LHR, maybe incre
40 Kahala777 : The advertisements on television are a joke..... "From $1895.00 for a 1 week vacation" As a rule of thumb, in low season you go to London for 3 night
41 Gemuser : What on earth does BII have to do with a service by a French airline? BII covers services between USA & UK by US & UK airlines ONLY. Services by airl
42 DAYflyer : Sounds like a nice route for the 777-200LR if you ask me....NON-STOP, no JFK needed.
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