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WSJ: Airbus Pushes Ahead Of Boeing At Dubai  
User currently offlineFlyingHippo From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 684 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 9836 times:

Since my last post from WSJ got deleted due to copyright violations... Here are the major points:

After securing order from ILFC for 12+8 A350s, that puts Airbus orders at Dubai airshow to 82 plus 14 options.

Boeing secured 68 firm orders.

Order of 70 Chinese 737 counts as seperate since it wasn't part of the Dubai airshow.

As many as 80 more 737s are expected from China.

Analyst expect more than 700 orders for Boeing for 2005, more than 500 for Airbus.

Boeing stock reached a 2 year high

Full article:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1132...9304649.html?mod=yahoo_hs&ru=yahoo

[Edited 2005-11-23 14:42:40]

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User currently offlineRedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4329 posts, RR: 28
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9692 times:

According to this article, Boeing has already broken 800 orders for the years.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/249387_air23.html?source=rss



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User currently offlineUAL747-600 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 582 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9689 times:

Yes Airbus had higher unit sales but if you look at the total value of contracts signed, Boeing won the show.

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User currently offlineAirPortugal310 From Tokelau, joined Apr 2004, 3641 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9453 times:

Quoting UAL747-600 (Reply 2):
Yes Airbus had higher unit sales but if you look at the total value of contracts signed, Boeing won the show

Any other manufaturers get orders (Embraer, military, etc)?



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User currently offlineA360 From Portugal, joined Jun 2005, 434 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9297 times:

Quoting FlyingHippo (Thread starter):
Analyst expect more than 700 orders for Boeing for 2005, more than 500 for Airbus.

Wow! those are some great analists... even a baby could predict that, since Boeing already shows more than 700 signed orders on their website, and airbus almost 500 (from 31st of october)...  Smile

Regards:
A360


User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 55
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9255 times:

Quoting A360 (Reply 4):
Wow! those are some great analists... even a baby could predict that, since Boeing already shows more than 700 signed orders on their website, and airbus almost 500 (from 31st of october)...

 rotfl 

Well the year is not over yet... what is obvious though is that this was a GREAT year for both Airbus and Boeing  champagne 



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User currently offlineGARPD From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2659 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9094 times:

Is anyone realy surprised that Airbus are bagging more orders AT AN AIRSHOW?


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User currently offlineStuckInCA From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1962 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8907 times:

Congratulations to both manufacturers!  champagne 

Now if I could find a way to get a small percantage of each transaction...  scratchchin 


User currently offlineRpaillard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8500 times:

Quoting AirPortugal310 (Reply 3):
Any other manufaturers get orders (Embraer, military, etc)?

ATR secured a deal for 20 * ATR 72-500 from Kingfisher for $350M. There is also an option for 15 more.

Regards,


User currently offlineHotelbravo From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 57 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8171 times:

By the way, AerCap leasing has just ordered 70 A320s in Dubai.

User currently offlinePavlin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8112 times:

Good year for both airbus and boeing and embraer. I think it is a record year in history.

User currently offlineDalecary From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days ago) and read 6748 times:

Quoting Hotelbravo (Reply 9):
By the way, AerCap leasing has just ordered 70 A320s in Dubai.

No they haven't. They just signed a LOI. This shouldn't be counted as orders, but I bet Leahy will count them.


User currently offlineTinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5463 times:

Quoting Dalecary (Reply 11):
This shouldn't be counted as orders, but I bet Leahy will count them.

Leahy counts even Airbus' own planes as orders  biggrin 

Great year for both manufacturers, great year for aviation enthusists. The more planes up in the air, whether A or B, the better for us.


User currently offlineSwissy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 1734 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5420 times:

Great news for every one, just lets hope things are going back to normal, so
we all can enjoy many years of interesting conversations at a.net

Cheers all for the good news


User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4988 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5369 times:

After the feast, how soon can we expect the famine?

User currently offlineRedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4329 posts, RR: 28
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5315 times:

Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 14):
After the feast, how soon can we expect the famine?

Soon. Boeing is already predicting '06 will not see the kinds of orders '05 did. I'm not sure what Airbus' take is on the coming year.



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User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10031 posts, RR: 96
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5204 times:
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Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 15):
Soon. Boeing is already predicting '06 will not see the kinds of orders '05 did. I'm not sure what Airbus' take is on the coming year.

1600 or so orders is obviously unsustainable.
If you look at both manufacturers market forecasts, the average order take per year should be in the 800 - 1000 range.
AFAIK, this year is a catch-up year following 3 quiet ones.

Interestingly, both manufacturers expect to be up around 450 deliverys each by 2007/2008
A


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5122 times:

Its nice to see a ecovery in Aviation Again.Out here The Aviation Sector seems to be Rising quite fast too & a number of Orders comming from this region has helped a lot.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 35
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5088 times:

Boeing just announced 26 X 787 orders from leasing companies (ILFC and LCAL). Details on here:-

http://www.boeing.com/flash.html

Guess that puts Boeing ahead on points?



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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4162 posts, RR: 89
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4861 times:
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Quoting Pavlin (Reply 10):
Good year for both airbus and boeing and embraer.

Don't forget ATR, it's their best year since 1989  Wink

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 18):
Boeing just announced 26 X 787 orders from leasing companies (ILFC and LCAL). Details on here:-

http://www.boeing.com/flash.html

Guess that puts Boeing ahead on points?

Not at all. Over the past week I saw many criticise some of the Airbus orders such as ALAFCO & TAP which were announced, as they were "previously announced" and the contract was only being "firmed", or whatever excuse the relevent cheerleader so chose to wave their pom poms in their victory dance.

Both of these 787 orders were previously booked as unidentified on Boeing's site. ILFC was the worst kept secret when it came to the 787 UFO order though LcaL was a surprise, it was still on Boeing's book's since May.

IMHO both manufacturer's have done exceedingly well with Boeing benefitting from EK's order and potentially having a higher dollar value added to their backlog as oppossed to Airbus receiving orders for more frames for their backlog. Either way, what a show. I never anticipated this many orders after the activity we've seen so far this year. Fair play to them both and may we, as enthusiast's, enjoy the benefits for many years to come.

Regards, PanAm_DC10



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User currently offlineShenzhen From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 1710 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4803 times:

Quoting FlyingHippo (Thread starter):
As many as 80 more 737s are expected from China.

Not to nitpick, but the 80 orders may not be for just 737s. For example, I've been told that the 787 has won over the A350 at Shenzhen Airlines. They want 10, and most likely will be included in the 80 that are still to come.

Cheers


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4527 times:

Quoting FlyingHippo (Thread starter):

Order of 70 Chinese 737 counts as seperate since it wasn't part of the Dubai airshow.


Is the breakdown of these 70 aircraft already known and who the recieving airlines are? There are still 45 737's not firmed up, ordered by 2 chinese airlines earlier this year. They might well be all or partially included in those 70, that could bring the total of new orders down to just 25.



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User currently offlineShenzhen From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 1710 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4422 times:

I believe the 30 China Southern and 15 Xiamen were firmed in this anouncement.

I have heard 5 for Shenzhen and 5 for Air China, which leaves 15. My guess would be Shanghai and/or Shandong.

Cheers


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