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Will 'Lauda Air' Be Gone Forever Eventually?  
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Posted (8 years 10 months 9 hours ago) and read 3885 times:

Does Lauda Air's brand name still exist? If yes, will it be gone 100% soon/eventually?

I suppose they have already changed/will change everything to Austrian Airlines right?

[Edited 2005-11-23 15:37:31]

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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8565 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 8 hours ago) and read 3866 times:
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my understanding is that Austrian will keep the Lauda brand for some routes which it sees as predominantly leisure markets - while the Austrian brand will be used on the more 'prestigious' routes .


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User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 8 hours ago) and read 3844 times:

Quoting United Airline (Thread starter):
Does Lauda Air's brand name still exist? If yes, will it be gone 100% soon/eventually?

I suppose they have already changed/will change everything to Austrian Airlines right?

I wouldn't worry too much about that. For the time being, the Lauda Air name will remain and will still be marketed as "Austrian" flights. Tyrolean was changed to Austrian (Arrows) for obvious reasons, but too many people associate Lauda with a certain type of service - namely the leisure market - so for the time being it's not going to disappear.

Ultimately though, yes you will most probably see it disappear.

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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 8 hours ago) and read 3836 times:

What about international routes? I suppose Lauda's brandname will cease in the international market right?

User currently offlineGlareskin From Netherlands, joined Jun 2005, 1305 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 8 hours ago) and read 3818 times:

Niki Lauda started the succesful Airline after his big Formula 1 period. His name is a brand in itself. The Lauda brand is Austrian now but he did it again with the other part of his name:
http://www.flyniki.com/index.php



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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 8 hours ago) and read 3804 times:

What about flights to KUL and SYD? From what I see they are all flown by Austrian flights right?

User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2501 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 8 hours ago) and read 3785 times:

I have flown with Lauda Air to Malta on a scheduled flight and let me tell you that the standard of service is by far superior to that of OS. The inflight catering was extraordinary. The presentation was super. The inflight entertainement was great. All in all, a super experience compared to the poor OS service. I hope Lauda will not disappear!
But I think that intercontinental flights will be handed over to OS.



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User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 55
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 8 hours ago) and read 3784 times:

Quoting United Airline (Reply 5):
What about flights to KUL and SYD? From what I see they are all flown by Austrian flights right?

Yep... Austrian serves the scheduled and business markets, Lauda (still marketed as Austrian though) serves the charter and leisure markets. Austrian Arrows serves the regional market only, with it's small jets and turboprops.

When I worked at Austrian there was a VERY fine line that defined what was a charter flight and what was a scheduled flight. Off the top of my head, I remember Lisbon and Dublin were "advertised" as charter flights, had charter flight numbers, but in their nature were no different from a scheduled service. This always caused confusion... at the end of the day, it's irrelevant though  Smile



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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8565 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 8 hours ago) and read 3781 times:
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Quoting United Airline (Reply 5):
What about flights to KUL and SYD? From what I see they are all flown by Austrian flights right?

yes , VIE-KUL-SYD and VIE-SIN-MEL have been re-branded as Austrian and operate with former NG aircraft some of which have already been repainted into OS colours - the others will follow.



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User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 8 hours ago) and read 3779 times:

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 6):
I have flown with Lauda Air to Malta on a scheduled flight and let me tell you that the standard of service is by far superior to that of OS.

Maybe you just had a bad experience or are making an unfair comparison. I mostly fly AUA only, and feel that it's exactly the opposite. I am sure many people will agree with me on this matter.

What aircraft and what routes are you making this kind of comparison for?  scratchchin 



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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 8 hours ago) and read 3760 times:

Can they pick up passengers at KUL and fly them to SYD on the KUL-SYD route? Also can they pick passengers from SYD and fly them to KUL and let them off? I suppose it's a 5th freedom flight eight?

User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8565 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 8 hours ago) and read 3748 times:
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Quoting United Airline (Reply 10):
Can they pick up passengers at KUL and fly them to SYD on the KUL-SYD route?

yes - they do have 5th freedom on that sector.



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User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 55
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 8 hours ago) and read 3742 times:

Quoting United Airline (Reply 10):
Can they pick up passengers at KUL and fly them to SYD on the KUL-SYD route? Also can they pick passengers from SYD and fly them to KUL and let them off?

Yep, that's exactly what they do. A certain proportion of passengers get off/on at the intermediate stops.

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 8):
VIE-KUL-SYD and VIE-SIN-MEL have been re-branded as Austrian and operate with former NG aircraft some of which have already been repainted into OS colours


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User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2501 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 8 hours ago) and read 3713 times:

Quoting FlyAUA (Reply 9):
What aircraft and what routes are you making this kind of comparison for?

VIE-CDG
VIE-LHR
VIE-SJJ
VIE-BEG
VIE-MUC
VIE-TXL
BTS-CDG



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User currently offlineViv From Ireland, joined May 2005, 3142 posts, RR: 28
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 8 hours ago) and read 3706 times:

Yes. All things must pass. Eventually you and I will be gone also.


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User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 55
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 7 hours ago) and read 3685 times:

That's not what I meant... I mean... if you are going to compare an Austrian flight from VIE-AMM on an A320 for example, you'd have to use a flight like VIE-LIS on a B737 to make a fair comparison. You can't compare say a flight from VIE-BEG to a flight from VIE-KUL. Again, I don't know what legs you flew but they both have different aircraft and different routes. A CRJ is not equipped with the same IFE a B777 is equipped with. The meal service on a <90 minute flight on AUA can't be compared to a meal service on a medium to long-haul flight on LDA, and so on. If you are going to compare, then you have to be fair.

If this was still the case and you're not happy, then fair enough. I still find AUA better than LDA and am happy that the routes I fly since the past 2 years are not Lauda flights. I must say I am not feeling like I'm missing out on any fun!



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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8565 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 7 hours ago) and read 3679 times:
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Quoting Viv (Reply 14):
Yes. All things must pass.

except of course NW's DC-9s ( sorry , just couldn't resist )
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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 7 hours ago) and read 3672 times:

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 16):
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User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2501 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 4 hours ago) and read 3535 times:

Quoting FlyAUA (Reply 15):
The meal service on a <90 minute flight on AUA can't be compared to a meal service on a medium to long-haul flight on LDA, and so on. If you are going to compare, then you have to be fair.

So I have flown VIE-CDG (2 hours) on OS and VIE-MLA on NG (2 hours and 15 minutes). The NG service is way above that of OS.



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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 3 hours ago) and read 3487 times:

I thought both airlines are just as good.

How much did Niki Lauda sell his airline for?


User currently offlineVORFMD From Austria, joined Feb 2005, 331 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 3 hours ago) and read 3474 times:

Quoting United Airline (Reply 19):
How much did Niki Lauda sell his airline for?

official or unofficial ?


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8565 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 3 hours ago) and read 3465 times:
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Quoting VORFMD (Reply 20):
official or unofficial ?

what the heck , give us both if you have them



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User currently offlineAirman99o From Canada, joined Aug 1999, 975 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 3 hours ago) and read 3446 times:

Well I haven't noticed if anyone posted on the Lauda Italy airline he had. I know it has been sold to Livingston but they still have half and half fleet. I flew for this airline back in the winter of 2003. We were on a Wet Lease that was amazing. The service on the plane was amazing. I worked in Amadeaus Class for the full 17 day pairing. Just insane the amount of service that had to be done up there. But it was great doing it. The choices of food if I recall were Beef a l'orange, Peking Chicken, Red Snapper. All served on China plates with Crystal glasses. All of which were amazing. And all of it had to be dressed a certain way from a book. Just amazing. Back in the economy section the service was just as good. All the hot entrees were served with China dishes all sterling silverware. a choice between a Beef dish or a Pasta dish, and the just prior to decent was a HUGE boxed lunch with all sorts of deli meats in there, Cheese you had soo much to chooze from, fruits, salads, It was crazy, some airlines in north Ameirca should take some notes from this airline. WOW. Hope that the style of service they do, Livingston has kept it up.

airman99o



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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 2 hours ago) and read 3420 times:

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 21):
what the heck , give us both if you have them

Exactly!!!!!! Big grin

Quoting Airman99o (Reply 22):
Well I haven't noticed if anyone posted on the Lauda Italy airline he had. I know it has been sold to Livingston but they still have half and half fleet. I flew for this airline back in the winter of 2003. We were on a Wet Lease that was amazing. The service on the plane was amazing. I worked in Amadeaus Class for the full 17 day pairing. Just insane the amount of service that had to be done up there. But it was great doing it. The choices of food if I recall were Beef a l'orange, Peking Chicken, Red Snapper. All served on China plates with Crystal glasses. All of which were amazing. And all of it had to be dressed a certain way from a book. Just amazing. Back in the economy section the service was just as good. All the hot entrees were served with China dishes all sterling silverware. a choice between a Beef dish or a Pasta dish, and the just prior to decent was a HUGE boxed lunch with all sorts of deli meats in there, Cheese you had soo much to chooze from, fruits, salads, It was crazy, some airlines in north Ameirca should take some notes from this airline. WOW. Hope that the style of service they do, Livingston has kept it up.

Wow that's yummy. Peking Chicken or peking duck?


User currently offlineAirman99o From Canada, joined Aug 1999, 975 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 2 hours ago) and read 3402 times:

Ha funny you asked that. cause when I was working there I asked the same thing. found it funny to be chicken instead of Duck. I was told by the catering company that the airline runs as well that Chicken was cheaper, But DAMN it was Amazing!! All the food was. I think I gained a little weight that 17 days.

airman99o



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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 25, posted (8 years 10 months 2 hours ago) and read 3387 times:

WOW that's amazing. I haven't heard of a dish called PEKING CHICKEN

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