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User currently offlineBigpappa From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 84 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4389 times:

I was going past LHR the other day and saw a big line of aircraft taxing and queuing up to take off but I was noticing the BA were having priority for clearance and taking off.. Is this the norm?

Does the national airline have priority?
Or is it who gets there first?
Or is it the timing of departures?

Thanks


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User currently offlineAirPortugal310 From Tokelau, joined Apr 2004, 3657 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4374 times:

Well I dont know too much about LHR being a slot controlled airport (right?), but usually Its whoever gets there first.

Sometimes intersection departures are a nice way to cut the line if you can do them without interrupting the flow of traffic in one way or another  Smile



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User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4369 times:
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No airline has priority take off at LHR, even Concorde had to queue up, it is probably to do with departure times, some flights are running late so they get bumped up the queue over a flight that is well on time.


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User currently offlineVEEREF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4331 times:

Also can depend on the direction of flight. Quite often on the east coast, one particular route may have weather or excessive volume over it. In this case you start to get "miles in trail". You could have four aircraft in line to take off that are routed over that particular airway or fix. What ATC will do in that case is to put aircraft routed over different fixes in between the aircraft over the affected fix. So sometimes it will appear that an aircraft is cutting in line. At La Guardia I've been sitting at the hold short line #1 and watched 9 other aircraft go around me to take the runway because my departure fix was stopped.

User currently offlineFlynboy747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4128 times:

I've had this happen to me before on a US flight in PHL. We were running nearly 2 hours late. Instead of getting into the long t/o line, we went all the way to the front and took off before everyone else. I just figured it had to do with the delay....
-Flynboy747


User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6407 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4073 times:

In general aviation, I've experienced ground waits of up to 30 minutes while the heavy iron was allowed to go ahead of me (granted, I was IFR, and they didn't want the little puddle jumper slowing things down!). ATC's favorite trick for doing this to us GA types is to do the following: 1) have 1 taxiway intersection (near the end of the runway) that is "preferred" for piston aircraft, and a second taxiway intersection (at the very end of the runway) that is "preferred" for turbine aircraft.

Ground control will clear you to the piston intersection, and when you switch to the tower frequency and check in, you hear the magic words: "Cessna XXX, hold for IFR release..."

BTW, the airport that this has happened to me at is HIO, and the traffic they are holding you for is mostly Intel Corp's Beech 1900D's and Embraer 135's (shuttles to other Intel campuses), with a few other bizjets like Nike's Gulfstreams thrown in for good measure!



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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6161 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3971 times:

Flynboy747: I doubt it had to due w/ you being 2 hrs. late. ATC could care less.

Bigpappa: I'm not to sure about LHR, but at US airports it may depend on the downline airport. Example, very frequently at SFO planes with wheels-up times for arrival times at LAX,SEA etc. would jump right in front of everyone. Though I don't know how common this it from LHR. But I'd guess if say CDG weather is down and a plane has a wheels-up time, then they'd get some priority.

Also, as VEEREF said you may have a certain departure routing being used more then others. If 4 out of 5 planes are routed over a VOR to the south, they may let that 1 out of 5 slide in and depart so as to get the planes rolling faster. If you send all the planes in one direction you will have to keep the min. seperation.

ASLAX



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User currently offlineLevg79 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 995 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3897 times:

Lifeguard aircrafts get priority, such as the ones transporting organs for transplant.

Leo.



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User currently offlineFlyboyOz From Australia, joined Nov 2000, 1987 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3642 times:

that's right...when i was in UAL A319 in ORD tarmac, i thought my plane was ready to take off cos we were 2 hours delay. But our plane moved to another side of the runway and made U-turn back to the runway. I saw AA 777 had priority to take off. That;s not fair and we were still another 30 mins delay. Phew that's long time in the ORD airport.


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User currently offlineTinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3628 times:

Quoting Bigpappa (Thread starter):
Does the national airline have priority?

I thought VS was the self proclaimed 'Britain's flag carrier'.  biggrin 


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12158 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3546 times:

In the US, air traffic priority is;
1. Any aircraft with an emergency, including comm out.
2. Lifeguard call signs.
3. Hot air balloons
4. Air Force 1.
5. US Government/Military aircraft on missions of national importance.
6. IFR aircraft.
7. VFR aircraft with flight following.
8. VFR aircraft without flight following, but with a transponder.
9. VFR without a transponder.
10. Ultralights.

This can change depending on departure, enroute, or arrival weather.


User currently offlineAtco2b From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 1114 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3530 times:

Maybe due to the size of the aircraft...

i.e. if all the BA aircraft were A32x's, and they were competing with widebody 744/777/340's etc... maybe due to wake vortices?



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