United Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 8792 posts, RR: 17 Posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3058 times:
I know CX flies to YYZ but not JL and SQ. YYZ is an important Canadian destination and I don't see why JL, MH and SQ do not fly there.
I know SQ used to fly there. From what I heard they had some problems with the Toronto City government as well as Air Canada. Can anyone explain that? Maybe they simply don't wanna annoy Air Canada? But again SQ is good at annoying its partners by starting reciprocal routes.
United Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 8792 posts, RR: 17 Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3029 times:
Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 1): IIRC SQ wanted to increase frequencies in order to make the route more viable and were not permitted to - so they pulled out .
sorry ? do you mean why did they pull out , or why were they not granted more frequencies ?
If the former I think it was because they did not think the service was viable on a 2-3 x per week basis ( Ironic since they serve YVR 3 x weekly and have for years )
If the latter , I think you would need to ask the Canadian Government of the time - I suspect it was to protect AC who briefly ran a YYZ-LHR-BOM-SIN flight around the same time from what I recall ( of course I could be completely wrong , it was a long time ago and sadly the memory is the second thing to go when you are getting old )
Moderation in all things ... including moderation ;-)
They would have to get pretty good yields to serve the world's most expensive airport. The Canuck Buck (aka 'The northern peso') has been doing quite well recently, which might have helped, but that puts up YYZ's costs in local currency at the same time.
SQ and AC are alliance partners and YYZ-SIN is well served by the two jointly - connections at YVR NRT ICN LHR DEL etc.
CHI787ORD From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 517 posts, RR: 4 Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2761 times:
SQ will come back to ORD before YYZ. Both cities are pretty close geographically. Although Toronto is an important Canadian city, Chicago is on more of a global scale. SQ has said that it intends to resume operations to ORD soon.
Carpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2772 posts, RR: 4 Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days ago) and read 2674 times:
The chances of those three airlines coming to YYZ are about close to zero as they come. MH serves only EWR & LAX in North America. It hurts MH that they are not part of any alliance limiting to O&D from their N.A. gateway cities.
SQ & JL have/will have extensive codeshare agreements with SA & OW, respectively. Why fly their own metal if they can't fly it profitably?
Sorry to rain on your parade but that's reality.
MAS777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2916 posts, RR: 6 Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days ago) and read 2657 times:
I gather MAS pulled out of the KUL-TPE-YYZ as they lost CP as a code-share partner and could not sustain the route without additional traffic rights out of TPE to make to route viable.
I agree with you. I think that if Canada is ever going to get non-stop Singapore service, it will be from YVR first. There is more of amarket from Vancouver, and the route will cost less to operate. Personally, I wish SQ would change their YVR route to SIN instead of ICN, seeing as this route is now served by three carriers.
KEno From Malaysia, joined Feb 2004, 1841 posts, RR: 31 Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2576 times:
Quoting United Airline (Reply 7): Seems that CX is way ahead of SQ in the Canadian market
That should not come as a surprise considering the huge number of people from Hong Kong who migrated to Canada, but not from Singapore. Not just CX operation but also AC.
Quoting MAS777 (Reply 10): I gather MAS pulled out of the KUL-TPE-YYZ
Typo : KUL-TPE-YVR. MH never served YYZ.
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United Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 8792 posts, RR: 17 Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2537 times:
Quoting KEno (Reply 12): That should not come as a surprise considering the huge number of people from Hong Kong who migrated to Canada, but not from Singapore. Not just CX operation but also AC.
Oh yes. There are heaps of Canadian Chinese from Hong Kong including myself.
Ex_SQer From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1435 posts, RR: 6 Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2537 times:
Quoting United Airline (Thread starter): know SQ used to fly there. From what I heard they had some problems with the Toronto City government as well as Air Canada. Can anyone explain that?
Yyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 15990 posts, RR: 59 Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2498 times:
Quoting United Airline (Thread starter): I know SQ used to fly there. From what I heard they had some problems with the Toronto City government as well as Air Canada. Can anyone explain that?
SQ operated 3x weekly SIN-VIE-AMS-YYZ with full 5ths to/from YYZ.
If memory serves, the route was an irritant to AC/CP, and led to bilateral fisticuffs which in turn led to SQ pulling out of the route.
Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
MAS777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2916 posts, RR: 6 Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2481 times:
Quoting MAS777 (Reply 10): I gather MAS pulled out of the KUL-TPE-YYZ as they lost CP as a code-share partner and could not sustain the route without additional traffic rights out of TPE to make to route viable.
Airtropolis From Singapore, joined Apr 2000, 138 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2420 times:
As far as I can recall, there is currently no bilateral air services agreement between Singapore and Canada and SQ operates those 3 flights to YVR under a special provision. This is largely due to the dispute between SQ and AC over a decade ago, due to the SQ tansatlantic flights to YYZ, apparently the Canadian govt. moved to curtail SQ's rights and in response, the Singapore govt. also annulled the ASA.
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