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Largest European Airline To North America?  
User currently offlineDakota From Netherlands, joined Feb 2000, 148 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8162 times:

I am wondering what is the largest European airline on routes between Europe and North America. Any suggestions?

Grtz Dakota

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User currently offlineCharliecossie From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 479 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8157 times:

I presume you mean quantity of flights?
Easily BA.


User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8150 times:

Would guess:
1. BA
2. LH
3. AF
4. KL



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11837 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8139 times:

It is easily BA. While LH and AF/KL are larger in absolute network terms than BA, when it comes to the Atlantic, no European airline even comes close to BA.

User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2184 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8077 times:

In 2 letters: BA

Who's # 2? AF or LH?

#4 then should be a fight between IB and KL (+VS?)

But I think we'll quickly run into # of destinations vs # of flights vs capacity problems (eg one has more flights but less capacity etc...)



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User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 3007 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8061 times:

Quoting Charliecossie (Reply 1):
Easily BA.

Definitely. To underscore BA's transatlantic presence, as far as I know they are the only European airline to have opened its own terminal at a U.S. airport (T7 at JFK, which they now share with UA and others).



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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8046 times:

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 4):
#4 then should be a fight between IB and KL (+VS?)

IB isnt really strong from Europe to North-America, they have just flights to ORD (in winter even not daily), daily MIA and there flights to JFK.

KL and VS are much more stronger, IB is on same level as OS or SK for example.... ah AZ should be stronger (flights to JFK,EWR,BOS,ORD,IAD,YYZ....)

cheers
Avianca



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User currently offlineBCA2005 From India, joined Sep 2005, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7985 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 6):
IB isnt really strong from Europe to North-America, they have just flights to ORD (in winter even not daily), daily MIA and there flights to JFK.

They also serve Mexico City and San Juan, both in North America.


How about Swiss (JFK, EWR, BOS, YUL, LAX, MIA, ORD) or Icelandair (JFK, BWI, BOS, SFO, MSP, MCO)?


User currently offlineLuisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2575 posts, RR: 31
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7899 times:

Quoting BCA2005 (Reply 7):
San Juan, both in North America.

San Juan is located in the Caribbean, not North America. Guam is a US territory but I doubt people that live in Guam, say that they live in North America.

Saludos desde Caracas,
Luis


User currently offlineDogfighter2111 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1968 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7870 times:

Seeing as KLM are Air France now, i think AF will be second.

Thanks
Mike


User currently offlineFlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7247 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7804 times:

I would say.
1. BA
2. KL/AF
3. LH
4. VS
5. AZ
6. Swiss
And than Aer Lingus, IB, Icelandair.



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User currently offline767-300ER From United States of America, joined May 1999, 130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7737 times:

The Carribean is part of North America. Guam is in Asia. Cuba which is also in the carribean is about 90 miles off the coast of Florida.

User currently offlinePHXinterrupted From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 474 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 days ago) and read 7661 times:

Quoting 767-300ER (Reply 11):
The Carribean is part of North America.

Much of the Carribean is closer to South America than North America.



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User currently offlineBCA2005 From India, joined Sep 2005, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 days ago) and read 7616 times:

If you look at the North American destinations on Iberia's website, it lists San Juan.

Quoting 767-300ER (Reply 11):
The Carribean is part of North America. Guam is in Asia. Cuba which is also in the carribean is about 90 miles off the coast of Florida.

If Cuba is considered to be part of North America, then add Havana to Iberia's North American destinations.


User currently offlineBoeingfever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7553 times:

BA flies these routes from what I found.

From: MAN-JFK.

From: LGW-ATL, TPA, MCO, IAH, DFW.

From: LHR-MEX, IAH, PHX, MIA, ORD, DTW, BOS, JFK, EWR, IAD, PHL, BWI, DEN, LAX, SFO, SEA, YYZ, YVR, YUL.

No clue about the Caribbean but clearly its BA.



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User currently offlineStarGoldLHR From Heard and McDonald Islands, joined Feb 2004, 1529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7295 times:

I think VS would beat LH ?

LH has 3 to JFK ?
VS has about 6 ?

how many places in the US does LH fly to ?



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User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4579 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7272 times:

Quoting PHXinterrupted (Reply 12):
Much of the Carribean is closer to South America than North America.

N. AMERICA (23)
Antigua and Barbuda
Bahamas
Barbados
Belize
Canada
Costa Rica
Cuba
Dominica
Dominican Rep.
El Salvador
Grenada
Guatemala
Haiti
Honduras
Jamaica
Mexico
Nicaragua
Panama
St. Kitts & Nevis
St. Lucia
St. Vincent &
the Grenadines
Trinidad & Tobago
United States

source: worldatlas.com


User currently offlineZSOFN From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1413 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7256 times:

According to this, LH serves 20 destinations in North America. Not sure about frequencies.

VS only serves 9 mainland destinations plus 8 in the Caribbean (see here)

For BA's routes, check out their comprehensive maps here.


User currently offlineAirlittoralguy From France, joined Nov 2005, 235 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7256 times:

LH easily beats VS on this one


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User currently offlineTristarsteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4052 posts, RR: 33
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7127 times:

BA has 38 daily flights from UK to North America

User currently offlineKLMCedric From Belgium, joined Dec 2003, 812 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7102 times:

Wikipedia states BA flies to Halifax,Nova Scotia, is that true?

User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4052 posts, RR: 33
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7079 times:

Quoting KLMCedric (Reply 20):
Wikipedia states BA flies to Halifax,Nova Scotia, is that true?

Not scheduled, only diversions.


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7028 times:

Quoting ZSOFN (Reply 17):
According to this, LH serves 20 destinations in North America. Not sure about frequencies.

Here are all Lufthansa flights to North America (incl. MEX) with frequency and aircraft type (only flights operated on LH metal, no codesharing flights or flights operated by Privatair):

From Frankfurt:

  • ATL, daily with 34V (343 without First Class)

  • BOS, daily with 744

  • ORD, daily with 744

  • DFW, daily with 333

  • DEN, daily with 346

  • DTW, daily with 333

  • IAH, daily with 343

  • LAX, daily with 744

  • MEX, daily with 744

  • MIA, daily with 744

  • JFK, daily with 333 and 744

  • EWR, daily with 343

  • PHL, daily with 34V

  • PDX, on days 2,5,7 with 34V

  • SFO, daily with 744

  • YYZ, daily with 34V

  • YVR, daily exept day 2 with 34V

  • IAD, daily with 744


  • From Munich

  • CLT, on days 1,3,5 with 343

  • ORD, daily with 333

  • LAX, on days 2,4,6 with 343

  • JFK, daily with 333

  • SFO, daily exept days 4 and 6 with 343

  • IAD, daily exept days 1 and 3 with 343



  • Source: New LH timetable.

    Please correct any mistakes.

    Patrick


    User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7014 times:

    I personally think that is Iberia.




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    User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
    Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6901 times:

    Quoting N62NA (Reply 16):



    Quoting N62NA (Reply 16):

    N. AMERICA (23)
    Antigua and Barbuda
    Bahamas
    Barbados
    Belize
    Canada
    Costa Rica
    Cuba
    Dominica
    Dominican Rep.
    El Salvador
    Grenada
    Guatemala
    Haiti
    Honduras
    Jamaica
    Mexico
    Nicaragua
    Panama
    St. Kitts & Nevis
    St. Lucia
    St. Vincent &
    the Grenadines
    Trinidad & Tobago
    United States

    I'd rather costa Rica was considered South america

    but going with this list IB could have been on the run before cancelling the MIA HUB. They then had

    MEX
    GUA
    SAP
    SAL
    MGA
    SJO
    PTY
    HAV
    CUN
    MIA
    JFK
    ORD
    SDQ
    SJU

    not bad !



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    25 SNBA : What about SN Brussels Airlines? Do you think they will introduce their own operations soon?!
    26 Post contains images Komododx : Interesting how World Atlas say all those countries are in North America, yet in NAFTA you only see Canada, the US, and Mexico. Why the need then to h
    27 Sabena332 : I am sure that SN could fill up a daily 333 to NYC and ORD. Patrick
    28 SNBA : I am sure too!!! I even have a "dream" on that point...
    29 Post contains images USADreamliner : I would consider Mexico as Central America. Geographically they are in North America. But that's all.They have more in common with Central America tha
    30 BCAL : Only 3 daily flights LHR-JFK against 7 by BA.
    31 Post contains images AA767400 : In the United States they are taught that North America is Canada,U.S.A.,Mexico,Central America, and the Caribbean. In South America it is another st
    32 BCA2005 : How about Aeroflot, I tried searching, but couldn't quite find a list of their North American destinations.
    33 Post contains images Airbazar : There are plenty of countries in Europe that don't belong to the EU, would you say they're not in Europe? Bottom line is, the Caribean is not a conti
    34 Post contains images YYZYYT : I'm sure Komododx follows football, but he may not know what "soccer" is. Here's a question: if Icelandair started flying Reykjavik-San Juan, would t
    35 Arsenal@LHR : Reading the replies the answer is quite emphatic, North America is BA's most important and possible most profitable market. This is not suprising cons
    36 Flyingfool : KLM's North American network: JFK (daily 772, daily ex mo,th,su 747/744) EWR (daily 332/763) ORD (daily 74M/744) IAD (daily 332) IAH (daily 74M, daily
    37 Bobnwa : Also MEM-AMS(daily DC-10)
    38 DavidT : True, however I would think UA would have their own terminal at such a alrge airport?
    39 AA767400 : To some it would be Europe-North America, to others it would be Europe-South America, and to others it would be Europe-Americas.
    40 B6sea : OK... FOR THE RECORD... IF YOU DONT THINK THE CARIBBEAN AND C. America are in North America you are a bumbling idiot and have no idea what you are tal
    41 Bobnwa : Most US airlines share terminals at large airports. Having your own dedicated terminal is fairly rare.
    42 AF Cabin Crew : Ia Orana all ! Here are AF's schedule for the winter 2005 taken from skyteam.com as of november 24th CDG-BOS 11/7 CDG-CVG 0/7 CDG-ORD 7/7 CDG-YUL 14/7
    43 Usair320 : I have to say either BA or LH
    44 Post contains images Komododx : Please go back to Int'l Trade 101 to learn the difference between a customs/trade union and a trade agreement. The EU and NAFTA, CAFTA, or FTAA are f
    45 JM017 : Yeah, but they are considered North America. At least that's what I was taught here in North America. But, I always found it funny that Trinidad was
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