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Why Don't Air Transat Fly To OZ?(old 2T Route)  
User currently offlineSimpilicity From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4549 times:

Why don't Air Transat fly to Australia?

The old Canada 3000 route YVR/HNL/BNE could be a real money maker for them, both in northern winter for the huge number of Australians going skiing/snowboarding in Canada in DEC-JAN period & also in MAY-SEP cruise season.

Plus large numbers of Canadians head down under every year.

The Air Transat A330-200's are perfect aircraft for this route. They could also connect thru from Eastern Canada, eg. YYZ/YVR/HNL/BNE & they would be able to sell every sector in isolation & one way. They could then also offer one ways Australia to Europe via Canada as AC now do.

A low frequency service such as once a week would work, but a few more over the peak season would work better & yield more.

We'd be prepared to buy a few thousand "at risk" Y class seats BNE/YVR/BNE return for up to AUD$1500 (~USD$1100 AT TODAYS EXCHANGE RATE) or around half of all Y class seats (1/2 of 342 x 12) for DEC-JAN period alone.

If Air Transat would sell us these seats, their would be very little risk for them.

Can anyone tell us why they wouldn 't look at this route?

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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4515 times:

If the HNL stop isn't a technical one, I can see angry canadians and australians having to go thru US inmigration and customs @ HNL or YVR to fly between those airports.
Air Transat A330 doesn't have the range for at least YVR-NAN or YVR-NOU?



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User currently offlineSimpilicity From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4504 times:

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 1):
If the HNL stop isn't a technical one, I can see angry canadians and australians having to go thru US inmigration and customs @ HNL or YVR to fly between those airports.

As far as am aware ALL flights thru HNL MUST clear US customs & immigration there. Silly Americans, what do they think that's going to achieve except annoy people.

You used to be able to sit in a transit lounge at HNL. Don't see why that situation can't continue now. Sending everyone thru US customs & immigration won't make the U.S. any safer !!!


User currently offlineAIRCANL1011 From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 262 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4358 times:

Quoting Simpilicity (Thread starter):
The old Canada 3000 route YVR/HNL/BNE could be a real money maker for them

One of the reasons Canada 3000 went bankrupt was their expansion of too many routes. They tried to become more like a scheduled airline rather than a charter, and started flying all over the place. Wardair did the same thing in the 80's. With the industry being kind of fragile for many of the bigger airlines, I think the smaller ones like Air Transat need to be very careful how they expand.

It may prove to be a great move for them, but are they willing to take that kind of a chance right now?

That's just my opinion, and I could be wrong



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User currently offlineYYZYYT From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 948 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4335 times:

Quoting AIRCANL1011 (Reply 3):
One of the reasons Canada 3000 went bankrupt was their expansion of too many routes. They tried to become more like a scheduled airline rather than a charter, and started flying all over the place. Wardair did the same thing in the 80's. With the industry being kind of fragile for many of the bigger airlines, I think the smaller ones like Air Transat need to be very careful how they expand.

And if anyone didn't remember what happened to those, there is Jetsgo. Smaller Canadian airlines seem to succeed when they stay careful about expansion.


User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4681 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4316 times:

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 1):
Air Transat A330 doesn't have the range for at least YVR-NAN or YVR-NOU?

It definitely has the range to do YVR-NAN, which is 9440 km.
TS states a range of 9600 km for their A332s, while Airbus gives you 12500 km. YVR-NOU is 10517 km and IMO could also be possible, however NAN is more likely.



Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlineHKGKaiTak From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1050 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4275 times:

I would think there is definitely enough leisure traffic for it to work, especially during the winter ski season and the summer holiday travel ... and I think people would like to not go through US customs between Oz and Canada ... cheap air link would do wonders for tourism on both ends.

Say a couple services per week is adequate. (I for one would like TS 333 versus AC's 763)



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User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4249 times:

As soon as AC gets their new B777s and B787s you will see two nonstop flights from Vancouver to SYD and AKL.

User currently offlineBWIA330 From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4168 times:

Good suggestion. I agree that this would be a great route for TS to pick up. Now as for the 332's, when are the leases up? I heard they are leaving the fleet soon that is why TS isnt painting them in the new livery? Is it true?

Regards,

BWIA330


User currently offlineRicardoFG From Spain, joined Feb 2005, 677 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4131 times:

Quoting AIRCANL1011 (Reply 3):
They tried to become more like a scheduled airline rather than a charter

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe C3 WAS a sked carrier the last year they were in operations...hence the start of the YYZ-DEL route with there A342


User currently offlineSimpilicity From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4057 times:

Quoting YYZYYT (Reply 4):
And if anyone didn't remember what happened to those, there is Jetsgo. Smaller Canadian airlines seem to succeed when they stay careful about expansion.

As Governor of CA would say what a "girlie" thing to say. I did say we buy 1/2 of all their seats at a fare that would be profitable to TS no matter what the fuel cost.

Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 7):
As soon as AC gets their new B777s and B787s you will see two nonstop flights from Vancouver to SYD and AKL.

Yeh & when will that be. AC will probably go broke again before that happens.

Who wants to go to SYD or Kiwiland anyway !!!


User currently offlineReidYYZ From Kyrgyzstan, joined Sep 2005, 536 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3904 times:

Quoting BWIA330 (Reply 8):
Now as for the 332's, when are the leases up?

2008 ish

Quoting BWIA330 (Reply 8):
I heard they are leaving the fleet soon that is why TS isnt painting them

the second of four is being painted right now out near Seattle, WA.

Quoting AIRCANL1011 (Reply 3):
It may prove to be a great move for them, but are they willing to take that kind of a chance right now?

They are however looking a little north, like China, for the future. At least that is what a little birdie told me.


User currently offlineSimpilicity From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3786 times:

Quoting A342 (Reply 5):
IMO could also be possible, however NAN is more likely.

IMO ??? That's in Africa ??? Where do u really mean?


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