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B6 JFKBOS, Early Performance?  
User currently offlineEyeonthesky17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 95 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2655 times:

Does anybody know how the loads have been on JFKBOS? Thanks.

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User currently offlineFA4B6 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2646 times:

FULL FULL FULL.

I've worked a lot of these flights and so far almost all of them have been near or at 100 pax.


User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2988 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2635 times:

I heard the same thing. Completely full day in and day out. The ninth flight just started today and the 10th begins in late December.

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User currently offlineFreakyDeaky From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 132 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2591 times:

I can vouch for FULL. Everytime I've sneaked a computer peak - FULL on every single flight!


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User currently offlineReggaebird From Jamaica, joined Nov 1999, 1176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2575 times:

I flew BOS-JFK on the evening of 11/19 and there was one seat available. I flew back to BOS on the afternoon of 11/20 and there were no seats. Seems pretty good to me.

Reggaebird


User currently offlineMiCorazonAzul From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2554 times:

Doing fantastically well. I mean, combine the JetBlue Experience+brand-new aircraft+very popular route=EXCELLENT!

Need I say more?  Big grin


User currently offlineJetsetsteve From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2518 times:

on-time performance is a bit bad. And they need to get the Live-tv working. I think only one A/C has it working on it. Other than that its a sharp airplane and the loads are doing great.

User currently offlineCrogalski From United States of America, joined May 2005, 514 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2501 times:

Quoting Jetsetsteve (Reply 6):
on-time performance is a bit bad. And they need to get the Live-tv working. I think only one A/C has it working on it. Other than that its a sharp airplane and the loads are doing great.

yeah i agree.. but at the same time, i think swapping an A320 for the route.. would cost a LOT of money.. but it would save a lot too.. Since giving vouchers on every flight is gonna hurt too..

--edit, and I was checking the loads too out of curiosity.. and they are pretty much 90+/100...

[Edited 2005-11-24 08:03:11]


A319 A320 B717 B727 B737 B747 B757 B767 C152 C172 DC9 E145 E190 MD88 PA28 | B6 CO DL FL NK NW LO TW
User currently offlinePlanemannyc From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1008 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2426 times:
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I have flown 3 times on the JFK-BOS route -- all full. I am writing an article on the B6's E190 ops, and interviewed a lot of passengers to see who is flying. There are all types -- students, family, connecting passengers, business folks. All are very satisfied with the aircraft and the route, even with the IFE not online on most flights. Pretty amazing how this route is pulling in so many folks.

Best,

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User currently offlineFlyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2357 times:

the question i had about the new bos-jfk service, and also the new bos-pbi (i think, the other bos service with E190), is, how is the dispatch reliability? i did hear that from a performance standpoint, jetblue was more than exstactic from results during proving and test runs. but, on a different note, from a reliability standpoint, the complete opposite. the first weeks of operation have had their fill of quirks and bugs, and that without the weather factors of the northeast filtered in, the E190 was operating at below 40% dispatch reliability concerning on-time status and specifically, only maintenance related issues. the first five days, stats were below 25%, but now, minor issues that only may cause a 15min delay, which minor to all of us in the industry, is huge to a simple statistic when averaged through the system. also, is this only the jfk route because of their maint there, or is the other bos route suffering just the same?

a college friend works as mgmt for jetblue in lgb, and they had charts and stats for the e190, based on route, broken down further into exact flight number, and then filtered further with weather factors and loads, and all that computer stuff that somebody gets paid to do because it looks cool to us.

on a sidenote, i do remember when mesa introduced their first of a fleet of CRJ-700 a/c to the america west operation in phx. although a gem and beauty of an a/c from outside and inside as well (miss the 6 F seats), operationally, the crj700 suffered a huge blow because dispatch reliability was so poor as hp express introduced the a/c into service and quirks/bugs were worked out. now, come on all, i know most of you are saying no, no, no, that's just mesa, but in reality, the first few crj700 were lemons. when hp announced their initial crj700 schedule that aug, i booked the later evening flight to reno, it was about a 4pm push to reno, and a late evening inbound to connect to phx's 9pm east push. of the first day ops, this would have been the a/c's third rotation in/out of phx, all were cxld. no go, flight was subbed with a crj200, and i canceled my trip and hp refunded my fare back. that went on for weeks and weeks though. i do remember one huge issue originally involved the fuel tanks, and the transfer pumps to move fuel from one tank to another.


User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2988 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2277 times:

the first few days were really bad as far as reliability. However, over the last week the flights have been showing a major improvement in timeliness. In fact, one day last week 15 out of 16 flights operated on-time. Basically the planes push back on-time but because of major traffic in both BOS and JFK, the planes can arrive up to a half an hour later than anticipated. This was expected for this time of the year. The northeast weather hasn't been too cooperative with us this month.

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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2926 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2265 times:

Well of course they are all full. It's Thanksgiving weekend. Let's check again in February after the $40 one way promotion ends and the fanfare of the new flight wanes!  Smile

All kidding aside, B6 will do well with this route. Given the short flight and low fares I am wondering how full those Brasilians need to be to break-even.


User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2988 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2242 times:

Haha yeah where are all the B6 bashers? Jeez, it's been awhile.

"Just wait until JetBlue actually starts paying for those planes..."

Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

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User currently offlineMiCorazonAzul From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2242 times:

Quoting Jetsetsteve (Reply 6):
on-time performance is a bit bad.

1. New type of plane. Small things are bound to come up. Besides, we have very quick turns. The SLIGHTEST problem is a delay for us.

2. As mentioned, BOS and JFK taxi delays. Our evening flights to RSW show nearly an HOUR of time between when they left the runway and took off. That is a major delay right there.

Quoting Jetsetsteve (Reply 6):
And they need to get the Live-tv working. I think only one A/C has it working on it.

I believe only one or two planes doesn't have the TV working. The others do....


User currently offlineFLY764 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 114 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2223 times:

Well if flights are being delayed constantly due to ATC B6 needs to cushion more time in between them. Conti allows for a lot of extra cushion time at EWR.

User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13152 posts, RR: 100
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2195 times:
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Quoting MiCorazonAzul (Reply 5):
Doing fantastically well. I mean, combine the JetBlue Experience+brand-new aircraft+very popular route=EXCELLENT!

so true!

Good to hear the loads are excellent. Does anyone know why the live TV is off? Hopefully the E190's debug quick, but the "rule of thumb" is that it takes 18 months for all of the engineering and operational changes to "take hold."

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineJetsetsteve From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2146 times:

Quoting MiCorazonAzul (Reply 13):
I believe only one or two planes doesn't have the TV working. The others do....

We have 4 E190s only 1 has the live-tv/XM working on it and thats N183JB.

The screens and the rader are installed but the system for some reason or another its not working on the other A/C.


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2109 times:

My friend flew home from school the other night...Said it was a great flight, loved the new plane even though the TV wasn't working and they were a bit delayed...First time flying into JFK too for that Staten Island guy.

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 10):
the first few days were really bad as far as reliability

Do you happen to know specifically why?

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 10):
This was expected for this time of the year. The northeast weather hasn't been too cooperative with us this month.

Perhaps this month could be blamed on Northeast weather...But this is going to be happening regularly at JFK. Any aircraft that pushes back from 6-8/9 PM at JFK is going to have a 30-45 minute wait for takeoff...I honestly think jetBlue is stupid for flying 190s on 45 minute flights during rush hour at JFK and BOS where they are guaranteed delays longer than the actual flight time.

JFK-BOS flights are a fantastic idea....But here is what I propose. Have the 190s fly JFK-BOS at off hours (6:30AM, 9AM-5PM, 9PM-1AM)...And from 5PM-9PM when JFK is insanely busy, why not put the 190s on some of the new routes like JFK-Austin, JFK-XXX...That way a 190 could hop back and forth between JFK and BOS during the day, leave JFK just before rush hour, and by the time the aircraft is flying back from Austin, it will have avoided JFK rushhour....Sure you won't be able to cater to some businessmen...But B6 will never survive trying to be everything for everyone. They will fill whatever flights they have at whatever times (Look at their Caribbean flights)...They need to do what makes operational sense for them.

Quoting FLY764 (Reply 14):
Well if flights are being delayed constantly due to ATC B6 needs to cushion more time in between them. Conti allows for a lot of extra cushion time at EWR.

Indeed. I'm sure as delays become a regular occurence, they will cushion more time in and perhaps even decrease the number of short hops during rush hour.

Quoting Jetsetsteve (Reply 16):
The screens and the rader are installed but the system for some reason or another its not working on the other A/C.

Any idea why?


User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2988 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2063 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 17):
Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 10):
the first few days were really bad as far as reliability

Do you happen to know specifically why?

Basically mechanical occurrences, such as a dent on one of the engine's casings, inability for the pilot to communicate with the cabin, etc. Because this is a new plane and there has only been so much training, experience is the only cure. I'm sure as these minor problems keep on occurring, the JetBlue maintenance crew will be able to fix them faster and faster and perhaps even avoid them.

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 17):
Perhaps this month could be blamed on Northeast weather...But this is going to be happening regularly at JFK. Any aircraft that pushes back from 6-8/9 PM at JFK is going to have a 30-45 minute wait for takeoff...I honestly think jetBlue is stupid for flying 190s on 45 minute flights during rush hour at JFK and BOS where they are guaranteed delays longer than the actual flight time.

JFK-BOS flights are a fantastic idea....But here is what I propose. Have the 190s fly JFK-BOS at off hours (6:30AM, 9AM-5PM, 9PM-1AM)...And from 5PM-9PM when JFK is insanely busy, why not put the 190s on some of the new routes like JFK-Austin, JFK-XXX...That way a 190 could hop back and forth between JFK and BOS during the day, leave JFK just before rush hour, and by the time the aircraft is flying back from Austin, it will have avoided JFK rushhour....Sure you won't be able to cater to some businessmen...But B6 will never survive trying to be everything for everyone. They will fill whatever flights they have at whatever times (Look at their Caribbean flights)...They need to do what makes operational sense for them.

The flights during the evening international banks generally run a half an hour to an hour behind schedule. I'd advise them pushing back a little bit earlier or even padding the schedule an extra 20 minutes. I think totally dropping the flights between those times isn't a good idea because those flights are very popular. The people flying on those flights probably don't really mind a 30 min - 1 hr. taxi delay.

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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2002 times:

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 18):
The flights during the evening international banks generally run a half an hour to an hour behind schedule. I'd advise them pushing back a little bit earlier or even padding the schedule an extra 20 minutes. I think totally dropping the flights between those times isn't a good idea because those flights are very popular. The people flying on those flights probably don't really mind a 30 min - 1 hr. taxi delay.

It doesn't matter if the people don't mind it...It's just a horrible way to utilize aircraft. Why not have as many aircraft flying elsewhere as possible during JFK rush hour?

Any way you cut it, there is no reason for B6 to have JFK-BOS flights during rushhour.


User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2988 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1581 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 19):
It doesn't matter if the people don't mind it...It's just a horrible way to utilize aircraft. Why not have as many aircraft flying elsewhere as possible during JFK rush hour?

Any way you cut it, there is no reason for B6 to have JFK-BOS flights during rushhour.

I disagree. Trying to run a high frequency route in a market that has tons of competition cannot possibly afford a 3 hour break between flights. I think having one or two planes being utilized for those 3 hours (round trip) isn't bad at all, especially if this is a profitable route. Now if the planes were operating with 50 passengers who all bought their seats for $40, then I'd certainly reconsider.

If a businessman is going to go to New York for a daytrip, this flight is perfectly timed for the return to Boston. If this flight was not available, then not only would JetBlue lose business on the JFK-BOS leg but also the BOS-JFK leg.

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