JetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2785 posts, RR: 15 Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2036 times:
I heard the same thing. Completely full day in and day out. The ninth flight just started today and the 10th begins in late December.
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FreakyDeaky From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 121 posts, RR: 3 Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1992 times:
I can vouch for FULL. Everytime I've sneaked a computer peak - FULL on every single flight!
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Reggaebird From Jamaica, joined Nov 1999, 1169 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1976 times:
I flew BOS-JFK on the evening of 11/19 and there was one seat available. I flew back to BOS on the afternoon of 11/20 and there were no seats. Seems pretty good to me.
Jetsetsteve From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 103 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1919 times:
on-time performance is a bit bad. And they need to get the Live-tv working. I think only one A/C has it working on it. Other than that its a sharp airplane and the loads are doing great.
Crogalski From United States of America, joined May 2005, 514 posts, RR: 4 Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1902 times:
Quoting Jetsetsteve (Reply 6): on-time performance is a bit bad. And they need to get the Live-tv working. I think only one A/C has it working on it. Other than that its a sharp airplane and the loads are doing great.
yeah i agree.. but at the same time, i think swapping an A320 for the route.. would cost a LOT of money.. but it would save a lot too.. Since giving vouchers on every flight is gonna hurt too..
--edit, and I was checking the loads too out of curiosity.. and they are pretty much 90+/100...
[Edited 2005-11-24 08:03:11]
A319 A320 B717 B727 B737 B747 B757 B767 C152 C172 DC9 E145 E190 MD88 PA28 | B6 CO DL FL NK NW LO TW
Planemannyc From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 989 posts, RR: 9 Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1827 times:
I have flown 3 times on the JFK-BOS route -- all full. I am writing an article on the B6's E190 ops, and interviewed a lot of passengers to see who is flying. There are all types -- students, family, connecting passengers, business folks. All are very satisfied with the aircraft and the route, even with the IFE not online on most flights. Pretty amazing how this route is pulling in so many folks.
Flyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1758 times:
the question i had about the new bos-jfk service, and also the new bos-pbi (i think, the other bos service with E190), is, how is the dispatch reliability? i did hear that from a performance standpoint, jetblue was more than exstactic from results during proving and test runs. but, on a different note, from a reliability standpoint, the complete opposite. the first weeks of operation have had their fill of quirks and bugs, and that without the weather factors of the northeast filtered in, the E190 was operating at below 40% dispatch reliability concerning on-time status and specifically, only maintenance related issues. the first five days, stats were below 25%, but now, minor issues that only may cause a 15min delay, which minor to all of us in the industry, is huge to a simple statistic when averaged through the system. also, is this only the jfk route because of their maint there, or is the other bos route suffering just the same?
a college friend works as mgmt for jetblue in lgb, and they had charts and stats for the e190, based on route, broken down further into exact flight number, and then filtered further with weather factors and loads, and all that computer stuff that somebody gets paid to do because it looks cool to us.
on a sidenote, i do remember when mesa introduced their first of a fleet of CRJ-700 a/c to the america west operation in phx. although a gem and beauty of an a/c from outside and inside as well (miss the 6 F seats), operationally, the crj700 suffered a huge blow because dispatch reliability was so poor as hp express introduced the a/c into service and quirks/bugs were worked out. now, come on all, i know most of you are saying no, no, no, that's just mesa, but in reality, the first few crj700 were lemons. when hp announced their initial crj700 schedule that aug, i booked the later evening flight to reno, it was about a 4pm push to reno, and a late evening inbound to connect to phx's 9pm east push. of the first day ops, this would have been the a/c's third rotation in/out of phx, all were cxld. no go, flight was subbed with a crj200, and i canceled my trip and hp refunded my fare back. that went on for weeks and weeks though. i do remember one huge issue originally involved the fuel tanks, and the transfer pumps to move fuel from one tank to another.
JetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2785 posts, RR: 15 Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1678 times:
the first few days were really bad as far as reliability. However, over the last week the flights have been showing a major improvement in timeliness. In fact, one day last week 15 out of 16 flights operated on-time. Basically the planes push back on-time but because of major traffic in both BOS and JFK, the planes can arrive up to a half an hour later than anticipated. This was expected for this time of the year. The northeast weather hasn't been too cooperative with us this month.
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BigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2755 posts, RR: 7 Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1666 times:
Well of course they are all full. It's Thanksgiving weekend. Let's check again in February after the $40 one way promotion ends and the fanfare of the new flight wanes!
All kidding aside, B6 will do well with this route. Given the short flight and low fares I am wondering how full those Brasilians need to be to break-even.
JetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2785 posts, RR: 15 Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1643 times:
Haha yeah where are all the B6 bashers? Jeez, it's been awhile.
"Just wait until JetBlue actually starts paying for those planes..."
Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
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1. New type of plane. Small things are bound to come up. Besides, we have very quick turns. The SLIGHTEST problem is a delay for us.
2. As mentioned, BOS and JFK taxi delays. Our evening flights to RSW show nearly an HOUR of time between when they left the runway and took off. That is a major delay right there.
Quoting Jetsetsteve (Reply 6): And they need to get the Live-tv working. I think only one A/C has it working on it.
I believe only one or two planes doesn't have the TV working. The others do....
FLY764 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 113 posts, RR: 3 Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1624 times:
Well if flights are being delayed constantly due to ATC B6 needs to cushion more time in between them. Conti allows for a lot of extra cushion time at EWR.
Lightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 10661 posts, RR: 100 Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1596 times:
Happy Turkey day everyone!
Quoting MiCorazonAzul (Reply 5): Doing fantastically well. I mean, combine the JetBlue Experience+brand-new aircraft+very popular route=EXCELLENT!
so true!
Good to hear the loads are excellent. Does anyone know why the live TV is off? Hopefully the E190's debug quick, but the "rule of thumb" is that it takes 18 months for all of the engineering and operational changes to "take hold."
Jetsetsteve From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 103 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1547 times:
Quoting MiCorazonAzul (Reply 13): I believe only one or two planes doesn't have the TV working. The others do....
We have 4 E190s only 1 has the live-tv/XM working on it and thats N183JB.
The screens and the rader are installed but the system for some reason or another its not working on the other A/C.
RJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1510 times:
My friend flew home from school the other night...Said it was a great flight, loved the new plane even though the TV wasn't working and they were a bit delayed...First time flying into JFK too for that Staten Island guy.
Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 10): the first few days were really bad as far as reliability
Do you happen to know specifically why?
Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 10): This was expected for this time of the year. The northeast weather hasn't been too cooperative with us this month.
Perhaps this month could be blamed on Northeast weather...But this is going to be happening regularly at JFK. Any aircraft that pushes back from 6-8/9 PM at JFK is going to have a 30-45 minute wait for takeoff...I honestly think jetBlue is stupid for flying 190s on 45 minute flights during rush hour at JFK and BOS where they are guaranteed delays longer than the actual flight time.
JFK-BOS flights are a fantastic idea....But here is what I propose. Have the 190s fly JFK-BOS at off hours (6:30AM, 9AM-5PM, 9PM-1AM)...And from 5PM-9PM when JFK is insanely busy, why not put the 190s on some of the new routes like JFK-Austin, JFK-XXX...That way a 190 could hop back and forth between JFK and BOS during the day, leave JFK just before rush hour, and by the time the aircraft is flying back from Austin, it will have avoided JFK rushhour....Sure you won't be able to cater to some businessmen...But B6 will never survive trying to be everything for everyone. They will fill whatever flights they have at whatever times (Look at their Caribbean flights)...They need to do what makes operational sense for them.
Quoting FLY764 (Reply 14): Well if flights are being delayed constantly due to ATC B6 needs to cushion more time in between them. Conti allows for a lot of extra cushion time at EWR.
Indeed. I'm sure as delays become a regular occurence, they will cushion more time in and perhaps even decrease the number of short hops during rush hour.
Quoting Jetsetsteve (Reply 16): The screens and the rader are installed but the system for some reason or another its not working on the other A/C.
JetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2785 posts, RR: 15 Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1464 times:
Quoting RJpieces (Reply 17): Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 10):
the first few days were really bad as far as reliability
Do you happen to know specifically why?
Basically mechanical occurrences, such as a dent on one of the engine's casings, inability for the pilot to communicate with the cabin, etc. Because this is a new plane and there has only been so much training, experience is the only cure. I'm sure as these minor problems keep on occurring, the JetBlue maintenance crew will be able to fix them faster and faster and perhaps even avoid them.
Quoting RJpieces (Reply 17): Perhaps this month could be blamed on Northeast weather...But this is going to be happening regularly at JFK. Any aircraft that pushes back from 6-8/9 PM at JFK is going to have a 30-45 minute wait for takeoff...I honestly think jetBlue is stupid for flying 190s on 45 minute flights during rush hour at JFK and BOS where they are guaranteed delays longer than the actual flight time.
JFK-BOS flights are a fantastic idea....But here is what I propose. Have the 190s fly JFK-BOS at off hours (6:30AM, 9AM-5PM, 9PM-1AM)...And from 5PM-9PM when JFK is insanely busy, why not put the 190s on some of the new routes like JFK-Austin, JFK-XXX...That way a 190 could hop back and forth between JFK and BOS during the day, leave JFK just before rush hour, and by the time the aircraft is flying back from Austin, it will have avoided JFK rushhour....Sure you won't be able to cater to some businessmen...But B6 will never survive trying to be everything for everyone. They will fill whatever flights they have at whatever times (Look at their Caribbean flights)...They need to do what makes operational sense for them.
The flights during the evening international banks generally run a half an hour to an hour behind schedule. I'd advise them pushing back a little bit earlier or even padding the schedule an extra 20 minutes. I think totally dropping the flights between those times isn't a good idea because those flights are very popular. The people flying on those flights probably don't really mind a 30 min - 1 hr. taxi delay.
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RJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1403 times:
Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 18): The flights during the evening international banks generally run a half an hour to an hour behind schedule. I'd advise them pushing back a little bit earlier or even padding the schedule an extra 20 minutes. I think totally dropping the flights between those times isn't a good idea because those flights are very popular. The people flying on those flights probably don't really mind a 30 min - 1 hr. taxi delay.
It doesn't matter if the people don't mind it...It's just a horrible way to utilize aircraft. Why not have as many aircraft flying elsewhere as possible during JFK rush hour?
Any way you cut it, there is no reason for B6 to have JFK-BOS flights during rushhour.
JetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2785 posts, RR: 15 Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 982 times:
Quoting RJpieces (Reply 19): It doesn't matter if the people don't mind it...It's just a horrible way to utilize aircraft. Why not have as many aircraft flying elsewhere as possible during JFK rush hour?
Any way you cut it, there is no reason for B6 to have JFK-BOS flights during rushhour.
I disagree. Trying to run a high frequency route in a market that has tons of competition cannot possibly afford a 3 hour break between flights. I think having one or two planes being utilized for those 3 hours (round trip) isn't bad at all, especially if this is a profitable route. Now if the planes were operating with 50 passengers who all bought their seats for $40, then I'd certainly reconsider.
If a businessman is going to go to New York for a daytrip, this flight is perfectly timed for the return to Boston. If this flight was not available, then not only would JetBlue lose business on the JFK-BOS leg but also the BOS-JFK leg.
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