Phxplanes From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 436 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 years 6 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7292 times:
This is from the companies employee website
November 2005
Extended Twin-Engine Operations (ETOPS) test flight
Last week, we completed our first proving run in preparation for Boeing 757 service to HNL . This was the first of three validation flights that are taking place to the islands. The aircraft had a total of 30 people on-board, including members of local and national FAA, both pilot and flight attendant crews required for the certification as well as AWA/USAirways Flight Ops, Maintenance and Inflight management. VP Flight Ops, Joe Chronic led the team on-board along with ETOPS Maintenance Program Manager, Tama Mohelnitzky.
GoBoeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2631 posts, RR: 12 Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7240 times:
Quoting VPBNE (Reply 1): What does ETOPS stand for?
FCYTravis From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 6 Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7160 times:
Daily service PHX-HNL and PHX-OGG starts on Dec. 15. March 1/2 will mark the start of daily LAS-OGG service, along with 4x PHX-LIH and 3x PHX-KOA flights.
USAir A321 service now departing for SFO with fuel stops in CAK, COS and RNO. Enjoy your flight.
RoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 8754 posts, RR: 52 Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7106 times:
So what did the 30 people do on the flight to HNL? It's not like sitting on a 757 for 5 hours is very meaningful.
If you have never designed an airplane part before, let the real designers do the work!
Ca2ohHP From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 932 posts, RR: 2 Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7052 times:
Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 5): So what did the 30 people do on the flight to HNL? It's not like sitting on a 757 for 5 hours is very meaningful.
See above quote:
Quoting Phxplanes (Thread starter): The aircraft had a total of 30 people on-board, including members of local and national FAA, both pilot and flight attendant crews required for the certification as well as AWA/USAirways Flight Ops, Maintenance and Inflight management.
All required people to be "sitting" on a plane during a proving run.
RoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 8754 posts, RR: 52 Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6908 times:
So what happens on a proving run? Do they just sit there to see what is going on in case there is a problem, or is there evaluation work and procedures that need to be gone over in flight? Or was it just a free ride for all of these important people.
If you have never designed an airplane part before, let the real designers do the work!
FlyHoss From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 598 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6883 times:
The ETOPS "proving runs" would experience theoretical problems such as, "OK, the left engine oil pressure is now dropping out of the green arc, what will you do?" There's a fair amount of discretion left to the FAA and some of those inspectors can be creative at pseudo-problems.
UA2162 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 481 posts, RR: 3 Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6491 times:
Quoting Ha763 (Reply 9): Who's going to handle the maintenance in HNL? The middle picture is too small to tell if there are any contract maintenance personnel out there.
I know AQ is going to do it at KOA. I would imagine it will be the same at HNL.
FCYTravis From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 6 Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6027 times:
Because the planes are America West's and the ETOPS certification is America West's.
USAir A321 service now departing for SFO with fuel stops in CAK, COS and RNO. Enjoy your flight.
Tozairport From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 670 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6014 times:
Quoting VPBNE (Reply 1): What does ETOPS stand for?
Enticing Treats for Our Pacific Sharks.
As told to me by some smart a$$ in an ATA L-1011 on a dark crossing one night. We got a good laugh out of it.
Positiverate From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 9 Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5052 times:
Quoting FlyHoss (Reply 8): The ETOPS "proving runs" would experience theoretical problems such as, "OK, the left engine oil pressure is now dropping out of the green arc, what will you do?" There's a fair amount of discretion left to the FAA and some of those inspectors can be creative at pseudo-problems.
When DL first got their -ER's (circa 1990-91) they did number of these "proving flights" out of ATL. On one of the flights the FAA threw an "emergency" at them on the NAT, which called for an immediate divert to Keflavik. They ended up overnighting there, and the crew all had their picture taken in front of the airplane the next day with "Hard Rock Cafe- Reyjkavik" t-shirts. Sounds like these flights can also be a lot of fun.
Idlewild From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 130 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4864 times:
I thought the 757 was already ETOPS qualified. BA, CO and a few others fly them from JFK, EWR and some other eastern seaboard states to Europe don't they? Doesn't that take ETOPS certification?
EI747SYDNEY From Ireland, joined Oct 2005, 687 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4783 times:
Quoting Idlewild (Reply 21): I thought the 757 was already ETOPS qualified. BA, CO and a few others fly them from JFK, EWR and some other eastern seaboard states to Europe don't they? Doesn't that take ETOPS certification?
mmm I tought so too. Maybe HP are going to be flying from some destinations other than LAX on the west coast to Hawaii and the certification doesnt extend that far. Just a tought.
Rob
''Live life on the edge, Live each and every day like it's your last, Hell you only live once''
Ifly2eat From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 8 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4747 times:
Quoting Idlewild (Reply 21): I thought the 757 was already ETOPS qualified. BA, CO and a few others fly them from JFK, EWR and some other eastern seaboard states to Europe don't they? Doesn't that take ETOPS certification?
It is aircraft and airline specific. Just because CO, TZ, and others do it, does not mean HP gets the right to automatically operate ETOPS flights. I would also be curious to know when BA started trans-Atlantic B-757 flights.
CitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2235 posts, RR: 3 Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4675 times:
Quoting Idlewild (Reply 21): I thought the 757 was already ETOPS qualified. BA, CO and a few others fly them from JFK, EWR and some other eastern seaboard states to Europe don't they? Doesn't that take ETOPS certification?
Yes, the 757 has been designed and certified for ETOPS, but each airline has to be approved for the operational aspects of ETOPS, such as crew training, maintenance procedures, minimum equipment items, operational procedures, etc. An airline cannot merely order an ETOPS certified airplane and start flying ETOPS routes.
25 KYAir: These links indicate that the certification is also crewmember specific. Who does the ETOPS crew training, airline (after their own certification) or
26 SpeedbirdEGJJ: We don't anymore. These flights used to be out of the regions, BHX for sure and maybe MAN. AFAIK one flight routed BHX-JFK-YYZ?? I think these ended
27 KYAir: This is a shameless, unabashed bump, but does anyone have any answers for the questions in reply 25?
28 N801DM: US 752's are not ETOPS equipped aircraft.
29 FCYTravis: US crews cannot fly HP aircraft right now, nor can HP crews fly US aircraft. The airline certificates are completely separate, not to mention the unio
30 Flyboyaz: Yep sounds like a good idea....might just happen. That's where the money is for sure. Yeah maybe...though if the fares are cheap enough, who gives a
31 RoseFlyer: Well HP could pull an AA and sell the plane as all economy. HP's first class on the 757 is at least a little better than the horrible cabin on AA's 7
32 HPRamper: They aren't flying them from LAX...they are flying from PHX and LAS.
33 N593HA: A bit off topic: What will happen to the code-share agreement between HA and HP? I mean a lot of passengers from the Mid-West or East Coast are being
34 N801NW: The mainland codeshare ends 12/15/05. HP will still codeshare with HA for inter-island flights. Right now you can only book flights for dates after 12
35 Kahala777: That is going to be a battle royale... Many are fearing that alone will put a squash on anything moving forward with the merger. KAHALA777
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