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User currently offlinePhxplanes From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 436 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8415 times:

This is from the companies employee website

November 2005
Extended Twin-Engine Operations (ETOPS) test flight

Last week, we completed our first proving run in preparation for Boeing 757 service to HNL . This was the first of three validation flights that are taking place to the islands. The aircraft had a total of 30 people on-board, including members of local and national FAA, both pilot and flight attendant crews required for the certification as well as AWA/USAirways Flight Ops, Maintenance and Inflight management. VP Flight Ops, Joe Chronic led the team on-board along with ETOPS Maintenance Program Manager, Tama Mohelnitzky.




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User currently offlineVPBNE From UK - England, joined Oct 2005, 10 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8376 times:
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What does ETOPS stand for? Because as far as I know it is Engines Turning Or Passangers Swimming.  biggrin 


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User currently offlineGoBoeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2698 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8363 times:

Quoting VPBNE (Reply 1):
What does ETOPS stand for?

Extended Twin Engine Operations Performance Standards


User currently offline717-200 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 601 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8318 times:

When is HP to start its HNL flights? Are they doing them just out of PHX?


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User currently offlineFCYTravis From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8283 times:

Daily service PHX-HNL and PHX-OGG starts on Dec. 15. March 1/2 will mark the start of daily LAS-OGG service, along with 4x PHX-LIH and 3x PHX-KOA flights.


USAir A321 service now departing for SFO with fuel stops in CAK, COS and RNO. Enjoy your flight.
User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9643 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 8229 times:

So what did the 30 people do on the flight to HNL? It's not like sitting on a 757 for 5 hours is very meaningful.


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User currently offlineCa2ohHP From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 955 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 8175 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 5):
So what did the 30 people do on the flight to HNL? It's not like sitting on a 757 for 5 hours is very meaningful.

See above quote:

Quoting Phxplanes (Thread starter):
The aircraft had a total of 30 people on-board, including members of local and national FAA, both pilot and flight attendant crews required for the certification as well as AWA/USAirways Flight Ops, Maintenance and Inflight management.

All required people to be "sitting" on a plane during a proving run.


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9643 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8031 times:

Quoting Ca2ohHP (Reply 6):

So what happens on a proving run? Do they just sit there to see what is going on in case there is a problem, or is there evaluation work and procedures that need to be gone over in flight? Or was it just a free ride for all of these important people.



If you have never designed an airplane part before, let the real designers do the work!
User currently offlineFlyHoss From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 598 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8006 times:

The ETOPS "proving runs" would experience theoretical problems such as, "OK, the left engine oil pressure is now dropping out of the green arc, what will you do?" There's a fair amount of discretion left to the FAA and some of those inspectors can be creative at pseudo-problems.


A little bit louder now, a lil bit louder now...
User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3660 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7852 times:
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Who's going to handle the maintenance in HNL? The middle picture is too small to tell if there are any contract maintenance personnel out there.

User currently offlineUA2162 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 495 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7620 times:

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 4):
3x PHX-KOA flights

Actually, they'll fly to KOA 4x a week. (I just interviewed for a CSA job on Monday at KOA, looks like I'm going to get it.)


User currently offlineUA2162 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 495 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7614 times:

Quoting Ha763 (Reply 9):
Who's going to handle the maintenance in HNL? The middle picture is too small to tell if there are any contract maintenance personnel out there.

I know AQ is going to do it at KOA. I would imagine it will be the same at HNL.


User currently offlineFCYTravis From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7559 times:

Congrats if you, UA2162  Smile

I was just going by what HP had posted on their Hawaiian announcement page - http://www.americawest.com/awa/conte...tions/awacities/hawaii_splash.aspx - and evidently their plans changed based on advance bookings!



USAir A321 service now departing for SFO with fuel stops in CAK, COS and RNO. Enjoy your flight.
User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3660 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7371 times:
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Quoting UA2162 (Reply 11):
I know AQ is going to do it at KOA. I would imagine it will be the same at HNL.

Really? Because I don't recall AQ doing any contract maintenance in HNL.


User currently offlineIL96M From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7344 times:

Why doesn't this just get started as US Airways services out of the starting blocks instead of AWA?

User currently offlineFCYTravis From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7150 times:

Because the planes are America West's and the ETOPS certification is America West's.


USAir A321 service now departing for SFO with fuel stops in CAK, COS and RNO. Enjoy your flight.
User currently offlineTozairport From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 686 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7137 times:

Quoting VPBNE (Reply 1):
What does ETOPS stand for?

Enticing Treats for Our Pacific Sharks.

As told to me by some smart a$$ in an ATA L-1011 on a dark crossing one night. We got a good laugh out of it.



Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7133 times:

Congrats

Quoting VPBNE (Reply 1):
What does ETOPS stand for?

ETOPS

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/tech_ops/read.main/88703
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineLPLAspotter From Portugal, joined Jan 2005, 682 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6642 times:

Quoting Tozairport (Reply 16):
Enticing Treats for Our Pacific Sharks.

That's the best one yet!
 rotfl 

LPLAspotter



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User currently offlinePositiverate From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6175 times:

Quoting FlyHoss (Reply 8):
The ETOPS "proving runs" would experience theoretical problems such as, "OK, the left engine oil pressure is now dropping out of the green arc, what will you do?" There's a fair amount of discretion left to the FAA and some of those inspectors can be creative at pseudo-problems.

When DL first got their -ER's (circa 1990-91) they did number of these "proving flights" out of ATL. On one of the flights the FAA threw an "emergency" at them on the NAT, which called for an immediate divert to Keflavik. They ended up overnighting there, and the crew all had their picture taken in front of the airplane the next day with "Hard Rock Cafe- Reyjkavik" t-shirts. Sounds like these flights can also be a lot of fun.


User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6059 times:

What was the reasoning to not offer Las Vegas to Honolulu? As many people well know there is a huge demand for O.D. Las Vegas to Honolulu.

KAHALA777


User currently offlineIdlewild From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5987 times:
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I thought the 757 was already ETOPS qualified. BA, CO and a few others fly them from JFK, EWR and some other eastern seaboard states to Europe don't they? Doesn't that take ETOPS certification?

User currently offlineEI747SYDNEY From Ireland, joined Oct 2005, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5906 times:

Quoting Idlewild (Reply 21):
I thought the 757 was already ETOPS qualified. BA, CO and a few others fly them from JFK, EWR and some other eastern seaboard states to Europe don't they? Doesn't that take ETOPS certification?

mmm I tought so too. Maybe HP are going to be flying from some destinations other than LAX on the west coast to Hawaii and the certification doesnt extend that far. Just a tought.

Rob  wave 



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User currently offlineIfly2eat From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 8 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5870 times:

Quoting Idlewild (Reply 21):
I thought the 757 was already ETOPS qualified. BA, CO and a few others fly them from JFK, EWR and some other eastern seaboard states to Europe don't they? Doesn't that take ETOPS certification?

It is aircraft and airline specific. Just because CO, TZ, and others do it, does not mean HP gets the right to automatically operate ETOPS flights. I would also be curious to know when BA started trans-Atlantic B-757 flights.



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User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2438 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5798 times:

Quoting Idlewild (Reply 21):
I thought the 757 was already ETOPS qualified. BA, CO and a few others fly them from JFK, EWR and some other eastern seaboard states to Europe don't they? Doesn't that take ETOPS certification?

Yes, the 757 has been designed and certified for ETOPS, but each airline has to be approved for the operational aspects of ETOPS, such as crew training, maintenance procedures, minimum equipment items, operational procedures, etc. An airline cannot merely order an ETOPS certified airplane and start flying ETOPS routes.



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25 KYAir : These links indicate that the certification is also crewmember specific. Who does the ETOPS crew training, airline (after their own certification) or
26 SpeedbirdEGJJ : We don't anymore. These flights used to be out of the regions, BHX for sure and maybe MAN. AFAIK one flight routed BHX-JFK-YYZ?? I think these ended
27 Post contains images KYAir : This is a shameless, unabashed bump, but does anyone have any answers for the questions in reply 25?
28 N801DM : US 752's are not ETOPS equipped aircraft.
29 FCYTravis : US crews cannot fly HP aircraft right now, nor can HP crews fly US aircraft. The airline certificates are completely separate, not to mention the unio
30 Flyboyaz : Yep sounds like a good idea....might just happen. That's where the money is for sure. Yeah maybe...though if the fares are cheap enough, who gives a
31 RoseFlyer : Well HP could pull an AA and sell the plane as all economy. HP's first class on the 757 is at least a little better than the horrible cabin on AA's 7
32 HPRamper : They aren't flying them from LAX...they are flying from PHX and LAS.
33 N593HA : A bit off topic: What will happen to the code-share agreement between HA and HP? I mean a lot of passengers from the Mid-West or East Coast are being
34 N801NW : The mainland codeshare ends 12/15/05. HP will still codeshare with HA for inter-island flights. Right now you can only book flights for dates after 12
35 Kahala777 : That is going to be a battle royale... Many are fearing that alone will put a squash on anything moving forward with the merger. KAHALA777
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